SURVEY: Who is behind the bombings?

[ratcatcher]

2 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

 

Another gem from our resident Junta fanboy. As as usual you have it wrong.

 

There is no significant defeat for Thaksin, as a no vote would have put him in the exact same situation. Surprised you didn't know this (I think you did, but then your story would be a lie).

 

There is no reason to believe Thaksin is behind this, as he has nothing to gain. In fact, he has a lot to loose if the military remains in power longer as a result of this. Make no mistake, the Thai electorate will choose whoever they want, and if recent history is anything to go by, the chance that PT can form a government in 2017 is pretty big.

 

That government, or any other government for that matter (remember the Democrats are against the charter as well) will find a loophole those idiots have not noticed, and the charter will be changed to remove the undemocratic elements. History will repeat itself, with Suthep trying to push for a coup, but this time, such a coup might be ever harder to explain than the last one.

 

The MO of this does not point to Thaksin at all, it points to people who have been doing this for decades.

 

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

 

No, it couldn't be Robespierre mate, he's been dead since 1794!

 

Yes, sorry, shot and chopped.

[JAG]

7 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

 

Yes, sorry, shot and chopped.

 

Very messy. He was behind the legal execution of people merely on suspicion  - a process which would probably be regarded as justifiable by a few of the frothy mouthed here on TVF

[sweetrogue]

7 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Really? We love to speculate here on TVF but this is just silly as we have no real information to even guess.

 

I agree, it's too silly; for all the ThaiVisa barstool brigade know, it's the LLFT - the Ladyboy Liberation Front of Thailand (Snip Faction) - who is responsible. 

[BillBilous]

A ridiculous topic…..

who knows & who cares who did it ,  a bomb  is a bomb, wether red yellow pink or black shirt, or what ever political or religious persuasion …. it is the same effect 

the colour of the shirt they were wearing means nothing , the result is the same ( or religion or motive )

 

what difference does it make knowing or guessing the originators…. as for sure all of us here living in Thailand will never ever know the truth 

 

Do your self a favour ….. give it a rest … its just another media attention outlet for people like you… 

death is death how you die isn't so important …its when !!!!!!

the risk of dieing in a bomb incident is very small  compared to the savagery on the roads 

 

So to people like you and all your bored attention seeking friends …… analysis the facts , bombs are awful but …. only offer a small risk of death 

 

better time spent campaigning for better road safety 

 

Enjoy life 

 

[Nasrullah]

The IRA..........

[BillBilous]

3 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

I think ISIL or Hamas , possibly Baader Meinhofs protesting against sim Tracking. 

that is a very sound judgement , but to add a further few ideas…. maybe animal liberation front ,  Black power or even Hari Christna ?  but do not rule out the free the polar bear from the ice faction 

 

 

[BillBilous]

3 minutes ago, Nasrullah said:

The IRA..........

sure its a possibility 

or even welsh separatist ….. bu8t my most likely choice is GUY FAWKES 

[Alwyn]

Southern separatists. No-brainer.

[weecree]

8 minutes ago, BillBilous said:

A ridiculous topic…..

who knows & who cares who did it ,  a bomb  is a bomb, wether red yellow pink or black shirt, or what ever political or religious persuasion …. it is the same effect 

the colour of the shirt they were wearing means nothing , the result is the same ( or religion or motive )

 

what difference does it make knowing or guessing the originators…. as for sure all of us here living in Thailand will never ever know the truth 

 

Do your self a favour ….. give it a rest … its just another media attention outlet for people like you… 

death is death how you die isn't so important …its when !!!!!!

the risk of dieing in a bomb incident is very small  compared to the savagery on the roads 

 

So to people like you and all your bored attention seeking friends …… analysis the facts , bombs are awful but …. only offer a small risk of death 

 

better time spent campaigning for better road safety 

 

Enjoy life 

 

 

For someone so clearly glib, your 'enjoy life' seems a little... sarcastic.

[Nasrullah]

5 minutes ago, BillBilous said:

sure its a possibility 

or even welsh separatist ….. bu8t my most likely choice is GUY FAWKES 

Are you implying he wants a catholic monarch in buddist thailand?.....Good Lord

[weecree]

Can i also draw attention to this article from KS: 

 

Quote

At least 35 small bombings rocked the region throughout Saturday and Sunday, including a roadside bomb that struck a convoy carrying referendum ballots in Pattani. On Monday morning, the largest rubber factory in Yala was burned down by unidentified assailants, and a grenade was fired at a ranger base there. The attacks left one person dead and three injured.

“The attacks are more numerous than usual,” said Chamroon, a former police commander. “The movement wants to send a signal to the military that people in the three southern border provinces are not happy with the constitution, because it’s a constitution that comes from the military and the coup regime.”

 

multiple small devices. Arson. A sudden sharp rise in escalation along with a very clear programme to undermine the referendum vote. Honestly. How is this not clearly the work of not only the same group, but likely the exact same people? 

[MW72]

8 hours ago, sujoop said:

Very similar to New Years Eve 2006 bombs (and others) following Thaksin's ouster:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/09/politics/politics_30023641.php
 

Neither insurgents in the South nor any group made claims on current attacks
(similarly and oddly, nor did the Uighurs group claim Erawan attack)
 

Directly after confiscating 46 billion of Thaksin's ill gotten gains in 2010 things really escalated.
Now,  following the referendum and facing imminent confiscation over rice  scam will it again?
Yingluck hit with Bt286 billion damage bill over rice scheme:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Yingluck-hit-with-Bt286-billion-damage-bill-over-r-30291926.html
 

Who knows who is behind the current attacks?
However, the pattern looks rather familiar.

Is that pattern similar to the 50 or so bombs detonated in the 10 days leading up to the Mother's Day bombings or are you looking at these bombings in isolation? Have the Southern insurgents claimed responsibility for the first 50 bombings but denied involvement in the others?

Just because one group or another has previous history of such acts doesn't make them guilty every time. I am sure that would be what the government would wish people to think rather than think they cannot secure the Southern areas and protect the population. 

[BillBilous]

you have amazing perception…. there is obviously no fooling you 

 

[BillBilous]

39 minutes ago, Nasrullah said:

Are you implying he wants a catholic monarch in buddist thailand?.....Good Lord

Never rule it out…….. there is also a strong rumour that the Vatican is involved, but its early days yet  …. let me have a few more beers and i 'll think of another few stupid / pointless organisations to blame….. but whatever , don't leave your house or apartment as its very dangerous out there !!!

[sujoop]

This is about: Time - Money - Power. Thaksin is losing on all 3 accounts.  Referendum effectively leaves him out in the desert for min 5 more years.
And now facing further 'family' confiscation of billions via imminent rice scam ruling.
 

The silent majority appear to agree in this vote. Meanwhile the usual minority (but typically most vocal) group of posters obfuscate to defend the increasingly desperate despot in the desert. Sorry but the majority are obviously not buying what you lot are selling.

[sjaak327]

Just now, sujoop said:

This is about: Time - Money - Power. Thaksin is losing on all 3 accounts.

Referendum effectively leaves him out in the desert for min 5 more years.
And now facing further 'family' confiscation of billions via imminent rice scam ruling.
 

The silent majority appear to agree in this vote. Meanwhile the usual minority (but typically most vocal) group of posters obfuscate to defend the increasingly desperate despot in the desert. Sorry but the majority are obviously not buying what you lot are selling.

A no vote would have done the exact same thing. The yes vote is actually better for Thaksin, because there is no excuse for the Junta to extend the roadmap.

 

In fact, attacks like these are not in the interest of Thaksin at all, as it could possibly give the junta the excuse to extend their precious roadmap.

 

But I understand, small minded people who don't think need a scapegoat, and Thaksin will do just fine in that department.

 

I doubt the referendum will leave anyone out in the desert for five years, it will have been amended or scrapped long before that time passes.

[Scott]

The gov't has been watching the UDD and the Reds way too closely for them to coordinate attacks in the South.   The South is not their stronghold and suspicions would be easily aroused.   The Reds also have little to gain after the referendum.   The other thing is that the Reds have been under very close scrutiny.   Too close to pull off something this big without being detected.   

 

The Islamic separatists might be able to do it, but it is a little far out of their comfort zone.   And again, with the surveillance and Article 44, this coordinated attack would be a little difficult.   

 

The ones who have the most to gain is probably a faction of the military that may be feeling a little disenfranchised or some other governmental branch, such as a branch of the police.   Not everyone within the military/police establishment is enamoured with the current system of control.   

 

This is a gov't that has extraordinary powers and does a huge amount of tracking of people perceived to be the enemy.   The fact that they are left so unprepared and unable to figure it out points to an entity with a lot of power, and that's not the Reds.   It could be the separatists, or most likely a disenfranchised group within the established power system.  

[Jingthing]

It's kind of annoying when there are terrorist attacks and the forces behind them don't even take credit.

[manarak]

5 minutes ago, Scott said:

The gov't has been watching the UDD and the Reds way too closely for them to coordinate attacks in the South.   The South is not their stronghold and suspicions would be easily aroused.   The Reds also have little to gain after the referendum.   The other thing is that the Reds have been under very close scrutiny.   Too close to pull off something this big without being detected.   

 

The Islamic separatists might be able to do it, but it is a little far out of their comfort zone.   And again, with the surveillance and Article 44, this coordinated attack would be a little difficult.   

 

The ones who have the most to gain is probably a faction of the military that may be feeling a little disenfranchised or some other governmental branch, such as a branch of the police.   Not everyone within the military/police establishment is enamoured with the current system of control.   

 

This is a gov't that has extraordinary powers and does a huge amount of tracking of people perceived to be the enemy.   The fact that they are left so unprepared and unable to figure it out points to an entity with a lot of power, and that's not the Reds.   It could be the separatists, or most likely a disenfranchised group within the established power system.  

 

I agree with your point of view, I made a similar post some time ago that was munched by the forum system.

 

also, the modus operandi doesn't quite fit with the red's usual tactics.

 

these bombs were designed to be anti-monarchy (mom day and locations in hua hin) and to hurt people (placed close to crowded areas and stuffed with boltnuts) and to hurt tourism (bomb placed in resort city near tourists).

 

my money is 80% on the muslim separatists.

[Jingthing]

If it was the southern separatists the hit on not southern Hua Hin should be taken as serious warning.

[Siripon]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

The gov't has been watching the UDD and the Reds way too closely for them to coordinate attacks in the South.   The South is not their stronghold and suspicions would be easily aroused.   The Reds also have little to gain after the referendum.   The other thing is that the Reds have been under very close scrutiny.   Too close to pull off something this big without being detected.   

 

The Islamic separatists might be able to do it, but it is a little far out of their comfort zone.   And again, with the surveillance and Article 44, this coordinated attack would be a little difficult.   

 

The ones who have the most to gain is probably a faction of the military that may be feeling a little disenfranchised or some other governmental branch, such as a branch of the police.   Not everyone within the military/police establishment is enamoured with the current system of control.   

 

This is a gov't that has extraordinary powers and does a huge amount of tracking of people perceived to be the enemy.   The fact that they are left so unprepared and unable to figure it out points to an entity with a lot of power, and that's not the Reds.   It could be the separatists, or most likely a disenfranchised group within the established power system.  

It could be separatists planting the devices but  financially supported by dispossessed politicians in the desert.

[baboon]

^^

And how would that work, exactly? 

[baboon]

Scott: No need to quote your post once again, but I am inclined to agree with you, especially regarding the seperstists.

Now of course no government or army will talk to terrorists, but I am sure that in the course of their not talking to them, that something along the lines of 'OK, you are having your fun down here, but f... with tourism and/or our other interests elsewhere and you won't know what hit you' will have been mentioned...

[than]

1 hour ago, manarak said:

 

 

these bombs were designed to be anti-monarchy (mom day and locations in hua hin) and to hurt people (placed close to crowded areas and stuffed with boltnuts) and to hurt tourism (bomb placed in resort city near tourists).

 

my money is 80% on the muslim separatists.

 

The movements of the red shirts has many anti-monarchist
Some of their leader proclaims in some foreign news (article of Nirmal Ghosh of the Straits Times) that 90% of them are anti-monarchist

[Jingthing]

A lot of speculation as that's all we've got now.

[212Roger]

Obama.

[joecoolfrog]

Quite sickening to see the ' but but Thaksin ' mob using this thread to promote their usual bias. I wonder if those in hospital care who planted the bombs or they just want it not to happen to anybody else.

Until those in power make decisions that favour the majority rather than a minority elite , the country will never be at ease.

Until the government recognises that the seperatists have a valid case , and talk rather than simply chest thump, the country will never be at ease.

Those that plant the bombs are scum and quite rightly should be condemned , but so should those who sow the seeds of despair.

 

[sjaak327]

3 hours ago, Siripon said:

It could be separatists planting the devices but  financially supported by dispossessed politicians in the desert.

Hahaha, total lack of reference here. You quite clearly don't know what you are talking about. Thaksin paying the southern separatist to plant bombs, absolutely funniest thing I heard in quite a while.

[digibum]

I think it was some business owner trying to pull an insurance scam and all the rest of the bombs were just a diversion to avoid suspicion.  

[Homeropec]

The enforcement of the article 44 might powerful explain... it is needed a strong rationale, something that
drives people to beliefe yes.. they are right, the article 44 is really needed...otherwise.. no need to keep that draconian article