Ladyboy Under The Bed Murder: Two Minors Admit Responsibility

[sahibji]

10 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

In the Pattaya One article if anyone cared to read the whole thing, " The teens had a record of assault-related cases which were still before the court. " These guys are on their way to being hardened criminals if they aren't already. Seems likely that they were up to no good from the start.

you are right vermin on arrival. at the ages of seventeen and fourteen if they can conceive of such horrible crime, it is time to really shock them to reality.they need serious rehabilitation.

[alfalfa19]

1 hour ago, Penicillin said:

Has anyone ever noticed that every perp here that gets caught for a crime confesses almost immediately ?

They must all have a troubled conscience that helps push them to take responsibility.

 

Or, it could just be the famous RTP "rigorous interrogation"

[sahibji]

this is a serious case of juvenile delinquents who seem to be well on their way to become hardened criminals.timely intervention only bring about some sort of salvation. multi prong treatment involving, psychologists, social worker and institutional rehabilitation may provide some answers.

[mesterm]

2 hours ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

A beautiful lady whose life was tragically cut short...wishing you a fabulous rebirth.

 

So I see you've been experimenting in Pattaya recently 

[RawboneFunksta]

Please, lots of Thai men or youths want to have sex with Ladyboys and they probably planned the whole thing to do so.

Who knows why they killed her but her status as a ladyboy probably made them believe they may get away with it.

Meanwhile the police in Pattaya warn tourists about ladyboy sex workers. The female hookers are ok though, right? You can trust them with your credit cards and they never drug and rob farangs?

 

Join the dots . . .

[OMGImInPattaya]

1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said:

This TV upgrade is driving me nuts.  I am trying to reply to the complaint about calling the two murderers "monkeys."   I agree it is inappropriate.  I would call them much worse things and apologize to the monkeys.   What ever happened to "No thank you." If you are offered sex and do not fancy the "offerer"'  just politely decline.  Where these two are probably going they might have lots more offers and not have the opportunity of declining next time, or the time after that or the time after....... (you get the idea).  I bet they never though of that.    Tranny or not, nothing justifies their response; particularly not just because they were offended at "her" proposition.  Can I call them emotionally immature, murderous idiots?

If these two did indeed commit this crime, it's difficult to know what to do with them. The 14 y/o is a minor and possibly the 17 y/ too; if one can callously murder someone at that young age you're clearly a danger to society. It's possible they may have been physically or psychologically abused themselves...a tragedy all around.

[Caprelo]

How does the hotel maid make the bed with new linen and not see ANYTHING? no less smell anything. The thoroughness of maid makes me never want to stay in a hotel room or at least in a cheap hotel room, do they actually clean anything? They basically wipe down everything they can reach, no cleaning. 

[csabo]

Was leaving the room not an option??

[csabo]

4 hours ago, trogers said:

17-year old can rent a hotel room?

 

I send my 12 year old to buy my rum and smokes.  And he DRIVES to get them!

[sanmyintmaung]

5 hours ago, trogers said:

17-year old can rent a hotel room?

"Pattaya Pol Col Apichai said officers tracked the suspects from the hotel’s CCTV footage and Amphon’s personal details given during the check-in process." Seems like the lady boy rent the hotel room.

[maximillian]

3 hours ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

A beautiful lady whose life was tragically cut short...wishing you a fabulous rebirth.

 

You said it. A beautiful person indeed.

 

 

The teens had a record of assault-related cases which were still before the court.

Police have initially charged them with premeditated murder and body concealment.

 

Too young to receive the full swing of justice. One day soon they'll be out to kill the next one.

 

 

[English 1]

Such a waste of a pretty person.....very Sad.

I doubt the reason for the murder given by the ling is true about refusing sex.

They met on Facebook and chatted so the guy knew full well 'she' was a Ladyboy.

My guess is the 2 ling wanted money from 'her'.

Such brainlessness is abundant in Issan where I lived for 10 years.

[davo2003]

Eating popcorn, reading all the comments. It's like a fish story, keeps getting bigger and bigger

[maximillian]

50 minutes ago, mesterm said:

 

So I see you've been experimenting in Pattaya recently 

 

Quite a silly comment.

 

There is a photo of the ladyboy. And yes, he/she is beautiful. You don't need to go to Pats experimenting to see.

[Sphere]

The 'other' paper reports it was actually the ladyboy who checked into the room.

 

But, do carry on with the speculation.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Sphere

[onemorechang]

Just now, davo2003 said:

Eating popcorn, reading all the comments. It's like a fish story, keeps getting bigger and bigger

 

Murder is a big story. don't you think ?

 

[Scouse123]

So,

 

What is known about this story?

 

1. The room was rented in the name of the ladyboy has the duo had no money and were not of age to rent.

2. These two boys have history of violent attacks and court cases pending.

3. I doubt very much, knowing Thai youth, that they would have a problem having sex with the said ladyboy knowing that they were getting food, accommodation, and whatever else their needs were, probably cigarettes etc.

4. I t would not have taken three days to decide they objected to her advances, more likely, they were plotting their vile plan.

5. An easy defence to gain sympathy from the straight community, is to accuse the dead gay/ladyboy/transgender of attempted sexual conduct which they were uncomfortable with; especially when she is dead and cannot defend herself. They will, as minors use this nonsense in court for a light sentence as juveniles.

6.The Police will have found them via CCTV footage and just gone to the bus station or alerted police at the bus station to be on the look out for....blah, blah, These boys would hardly be taking a flight or taxi back to Nakhom Ratchisima.

7. Fact:-  Isaarn boys are by and large having sex with anybody that will give them money from an early age. the age difference seldom matters unless it is with a foreigner having sex with a minor and there is cash to be had by an arrest.

8. The blood etc was probably a mix of bodily fluids after three days decomposing.

 

A sensible assumption in this matter is they were opportunistic thieving lowlife scum, who murdered a good Samaritan. No doubt she was hoping for a sexual encounter and a good chance it had already taken place in the three days together.

 

RIP to the victim.

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, rapom said:

 

Probably not, but a 28 yr old can.   Read the whole article.

 

Always good advise...

 

they (murdering youths) claimed to have befriended the ladyboy on Facebook, before meeting him and taking him to their hotel room.

 

ergo a charge of premeditated murder

[Khon Kaen Dave]

This is a Thai on Thai murder comminted on one Thai by Two Thais.There is no foreigner suspect here.There is no complicated structure to the crime .The two kids have admitted it.

Does it really matter what doesnt add up.Blood,no blood,strangulation body under bed and the maid didnt discover it for 3 days.There is no money to be made here.Its low class crime committed by low class perps,on what is considered a low class person.Theorise and dectect all you want but the outcome will be 'out of sight out of mind' quickly forgotten and we will never know the out come of the trial,if there ever is one.

I have to say though,that this ladyboy looks familiar,i am sure i have seen her on Soi Diana,She had fair hair,and i thought she was one of the pretty ones.Her appearance was somewhat striking.

Before silly posters start with their silly jibes and childish accusations,the answer is NO!

And as for the op that said to confess so quickly,they must have a troubled conscience.Ha! The day i meet a Thai with a troubled conscience,is the day i will buy the whole village a beer.    RIP. you didnt deserve the ending.

[balo]

6 hours ago, Pattaya28 said:

How did the Police know where to find these 2 teenagers ?

 

You don't know much about police investigation do you ?   First of all the CCTV footage would had revealed their faces so they could search for them . Secondly , Thai teenagers are not the smartest in the world so they  would probably give away their location on FB or other social media channels.  

 

I would say good job by the police. 

 

[aussienam]

5 hours ago, realenglish1 said:

The police say their was a pool of blood at the bottom of the bed but the teens say they strangled him There is no blood from strangulation Maybe ligature marks.

Again terrific  police work just like key stone cops Totally unprofessional

Stating the police work here is totally unprofessional based off what you have read in a snippet of news is a long shot.  Police don't firstly reveal everything they have at hand and give it carte blanche to news reporters.  It is generally a restricted release of information.  

Yes there is a report of strangulation and most likely we would all assume that it was the primary cause of death.  But of course during a fight/struggle leading up to that point there are all kinds of opportunities for injuries inflicted by perpetrators or otherwise defensive or accidental injuries all of which can cause bleeding. Unless you are there doing the forensic examination both at the scene and post mortem autopsy then you can only speculate.  And to think that the online police report says it all and therefore the police are 'key stone cops' is a bad call IMO.  

The body was stashed under the bed within the confines of a bed frame that could have acted as a barrier to congealed blood which as most people know - you won't bleed out when your heart stops and any blood escaping will generally pool together. The bed frame base likely held the blood within the underside of the bed.  

The cleaner I would guess moved the bed frame base perhaps to mop, sweep etc.  Or maybe bumped it and this allowed a portion of the blood mass to come out from under the bed and hence the subsequent discovery. 

The guests complaining about the smell - decomposing bodies do stink but initially the stench would be less than the proceeding days.  The smell would have been confined within the bed frame area and only perhaps pressure on the top mattress would open a seal of air allowing decomposition fumes to aerate from underneath.  With an air conditioner/fan on inside it would be hard to try to identify the source of the smell - especially when one is not expecting a dead human underneath them.  

The fact that the police did an investigation, identified the body, processed the crime scene, captured CCTV footage, probably mobile phone and social media information, spoke to witnesses shows that they did actually do their job as there are now two accused persons awaiting trial for murder.  That's a result in my book and any police force would say the same.  And to say that "The Police said ...." based off what a reporter states is not always totally correct or only partially correct with editing or lost in translation etc.  

You are not a Forensic Pathologist/Examiner I am assuming but yet another armchair critic having a low shot at cops when in fact they did seem here to do their job and get the bad guys.  But then of course the cynics will have something to say about that as well and be critical from their sofas etc.  

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, Sphere said:

The 'other' paper reports it was actually the ladyboy who checked into the room.

 

But, do carry on with the speculation.

 

Re read paragraph three of both stories... (TV and Patt One)

 

Unless their is is another version not linked.... In which case we are working from an uneven playing field.

 

thr check in phase, by the ladyboy, could well be the "joining fee" payment and ID check, or similar

 

but... Yes.... Speculation makes the forum go round and round

[aussienam]

2 hours ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

If these two did indeed commit this crime, it's difficult to know what to do with them. The 14 y/o is a minor and possibly the 17 y/ too; if one can callously murder someone at that young age you're clearly a danger to society. It's possible they may have been physically or psychologically abused themselves...a tragedy all around.

What suspects say in an interview as to their reasons for committing a crime should never be taken at face value.  They had time to collude before being apprehended and therefore of course they could have concocted a version of events that makes them look like they were provoked or defending their actions.  

It happens time and time again people read a reported confession from a police interview and therefore believe it - even if it inculpates them.  The real reason could have been way more sinister.  For example - a deliberate luring of a sex worker into a hotel room for a premeditated murder plot to get off on some sick perverted thrill.  Could be a myriad of other legitimate reasons that we may never know.  But anyway if it is a confession nonetheless it will likely convict if deemed an admissible confession but can be determined as mitigating circumstances to reduce ultimate sentencing if as in this case the accused have outlined a liability reducing reason for their actions.  

[NCC1701A]

my brain hurts.

 

RIP ladyboy.

 

Here is what you can take away from this story.

 

Ladyboys can be victims just like everybody else.

Young Thai boys can sometimes be dangerous even when they are not on their scooters.

Thai maids don't sweep or look under the bed or mattress.

Sometimes people put up with strange smells in their hotel room.

Human bodies start to leak fluids after a period of time.

The Thai police are good at catching other Thais when they have a clear photo.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by NCC1701A

[NanLaew]

26 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

my brain hurts.

 

RIP ladyboy.

 

Here is what you can take away from this story.

 

Ladyboys can be victims just like everybody else.

Young Thai boys can sometimes be dangerous even when they are not on their scooters.

Thai maids don't sweep or look under the bed or mattress.

Sometimes people put up with strange smells in their hotel room.

Human bodies start to leak fluids after a period of time.

The Thai police are good at catching other Thais when they have a clear photo.

 

 

 

Don't forget:

 

Thai machismo: A 17 year old Thai male befriends what he THINKS is a pooying on FB, travels to Pattaya and has a violent reaction to the truth.

 

Thai Law 101: Confessions automatically commute any possible death sentence to a custodial one.

[tropo]

7 hours ago, Canuk23 said:

 

After 3 days that would be decomposition fluid !!!

Yes. In a hot, humid climate like Thailand a dead body would start smelling within a couple of hours. By 3 days you would expect the whole hotel to be stinking. Did they wrap it up?

[dunroaming]

No point in speculating.  In the land of smoke and mirrors the truth rarely surfaces  The story will be spun round and round and buried like it always is.

[Rimmer]

Multiple posts have been removed, off topic, troll and a duplicate post

[Deepinthailand]

10 hours ago, Pattaya28 said:

This is yet another story that does not add up.

 

We've learned that the body was under the bed for 3 days, yet maid cleaned the room, failing to not only miss the body, but also the pool of blood at the base of the bed.

 

The next guests also failed to at least notice the  pool of blood.

 

How did the Police know where to find these 2 teenagers ?

 

A 14 year-old looking for work ?

 

17 and 14 year-olds befriend a grown man of 28 dressed as a woman ? And then strangle him ? Was this act pre-planned ?

 

The story reveals little information, yet creates confusion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Pattaya28 said:

This is yet another story that does not add up.

 

We've learned that the body was under the bed for 3 days, yet maid cleaned the room, failing to not only miss the body, but also the pool of blood at the base of the bed.

 

The next guests also failed to at least notice the  pool of blood.

 

How did the Police know where to find these 2 teenagers ?

 

A 14 year-old looking for work ?

 

17 and 14 year-olds befriend a grown man of 28 dressed as a woman ? And then strangle him ? Was this act pre-planned ?

 

The story reveals little information, yet creates confusion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incorect they probably befriended what they belive to be a woman who probably told them she could help them find work. Or they knew she was a ladyboy as thats what they wanted to be.What happens after that we will never know. They probably booked in under there real names which is why police knew where to look. As for this pool of blood miss reporting I guess as they admitted to strangling her. Easy for maid to miss body most Thai bed bases go down to floor with a void underneath. 14 year old looking for work I guess he may look older and if he was a ladyboy wanna be there would be work for him there unfortunately.  So really yes it does add up.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Deepinthailand

[IAMHERE]

9 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

interesting case or murder,how 2 younger people could strangle  older person

I think there was a smash into  the ladyboys head first, knocked him out and then finished by strangling. I'd also imagine the 17 year old was bigger and stronger than the ladyboy.