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Eight Thai universities make world rankings

THE NATION 

 

 

BANGKOK: -- EIGHT THAI higher-education institutions have made it into |the latest list of the world’s top universities, with Chulalongkorn University (CU) leading the Thai group.

 

Released today, the QS World University Rankings 2016/2017 place CU at 252, up one place from a year earlier. Mahidol University was the second best-performing Thai institution, climbing to the 283rd spot from 295 last year.

Chiang Mai University comes next, remaining in the range of 551-600. Thammasat University ranks in the 601-650 range like last year. Kasetsart University, however, has slipped from the 651-700 range to the 701+1 band, now sharing the same level as Khon Kaen University, King Mongkut's University of Technology Thonburi and Prince of Songkla University.

First published in 2004, the QS World University Rankings this year highlights 916 of the world's top universities, based on six key performance indicators including reputation and citations. While the academic reputation of Thai universities has improved, the number of research citations has fallen.

More than 3,800 institutions around the world were reviewed in compiling the list, with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology retaining the top spot, followed by two other American universities.

Stanford University moved into second spot, replacing Harvard University, which slipped into the third place. 

England's Cambridge University took fourth place, with the California Institute of Technology in fifth.

The best Southeast Asian performer was the National University of Singapore, which now sits in 12th place, with another Singaporean institution, Nanyang Technological University, one place behind.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Eight-Thai-universities-make-world-rankings-30294596.html

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2016-09-06

 

[Reigntax]

252nd. Congratulations and half the government couldnt even count that high.

[gk10002000]

When I read the article title, the first thing that popped into my head was "what rankings were they referring to"?  When I was a freshman in college I made the Dean's list.  The good Dean's list.  However in my second year I also made the Dean's list, but it was the other Dean's list. 

[Laughing Gravy]

Another obsessed rankings article that is just one of the major downfalls of the education system. How about raising standards at the grass root level and then tertiary levels and finally university. I would be jumping for joy if I actually believe these ranking had any credibility other than someone getting a pat on the back.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Laughing Gravy

[ezzra]

But among the top 5 in the world for plagiarism, copying and cheating on exams.....

[orchidlady]

Talk about spin. Don't think those results are anything to brag about. Mahidol appears to have made some progress while the rest stagnate. Thai university staff publish a lot however very rarely in the top international peer reviewed journals. Wonder why? Offer to edit a paper(it's required duty of most foreign teachers at said universities) of Thai university teachers. They do present at local conferences and internationally. But the international conferences are unique.

They travel abroad (paid junket) to Europe to present papers at conferences that are held in hotels by corporations staging simultaneous conferences for diverse subjects. NES colleagues invited to present at an international conference by the leading linguistics association happened to be in same city one time as the Thai colleagues. Went by to see some of their presentations and was surprised either 0-3 people present to listen. Most of.conferences they post on the faculty away board are by this same organization. They can take a weekend travel trip before and after. My university had now added the.requirement that publication must be done within 2 years of.international presentation to be eligible for another paid international presentation. Thus the scramble to get their work published in Thai peer reviewed English language journals. The (lack of) quality astounds. We hired a new foreign teacher who stated on.his.resume he was a reviewer for an esteemed ESL international journal. He is being hounded to see if he can get their papers in.the journal bypassing the system.

[ChrisY1]

Interestingly for Australians...Chulalongkorn and Melbourne' RMIT share the 252 position.......surprised me.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

Interestingly for Australians...Chulalongkorn and Melbourne' RMIT share the 252 position.......surprised me.

 

Yes, that's surprising to find Melbourne RMIT that high on the listing.

[LannaGuy]

Wow both my Universities came in top 150 whilst Thailand's very best at 252 bit surprised that the very best in Thailand cannot beat one of the Unis I attended which was an ex-polytechnic and, frankly, not that great but mediocre  

 

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by LannaGuy

[Morakot]

Ahh... the top-1000 list is the new top-100 which used to be the top-10 list!!

[Fookhaht]

This ranking process is fraught with conflict-of-interest motives, cronyism and self-congratulations.    It's much like the Oscars--where Hollywood uses it as a showcase to promote itself.  

I've observed the process up close and personal.  
 

First of all, the QS system is made up of the universities that comprise its membership, and is by no means a comprehensive group of world-wide universities.   It is only one of many ranking groups/organizations for universities.   Further, It's a body that ranks itself.  The source data?  Mostly unaudited information supplied by the universities themselves.  I shudder to think of the "smoke and mirrors" data that is supplied across the board by the schools who want to put their best foot forward.  

It's not the only one ranking group---there are MANY university ranking groups and each one has its own spin and membership.   The purpose?  Strictly commercial/economic:  to attract students and boost applications.   

The motivation, membership, and process is a classic case study in conflict-of-interest motives and processes. 

The reliability of rankings?  The operable expression here is:  "grain of salt."    

Probably the best ranking assessment would be to aggregate the data of the 26 or so university ranking organizations in order to get a truer picture of where your particular favorite university stands.  Even then, IMHO, it's not an objective nor necessarily accurate evaluation.  A nearby university ranks at 300 on one list, but at approximately 6,000 on another organization's ranking.  Talk about shaking your faith in the ability to home in on a "true" ranking, whatever that is!  

Edited September 6, 2016 by Fookhaht

[wlcart]

I am surprised Cal Tech is fifth, I thought it would be higher 

[Fookhaht]

7 minutes ago, wlcart said:

I am surprised Cal Tech is fifth, I thought it would be higher 

I'm sure it is, depending on which ranking organization you want to choose, per my post above!

 

[sanukjim]

It is easy to obtain merits and citations when the schools do not fail anyone or the students are excused for failing (this years med students) and pardoned by the PM. Or am I wrong ?

Edited September 6, 2016 by sanukjim

[somchai jones]

You can feel the ire in each post.....Thailand universities....in world rankings.....how dare they......gotta laugh at the bitterness on TV

[thai3]

So they are all embarrassingly poorly placed then, as usual.

[ChrisY1]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yes, that's surprising to find Melbourne RMIT that high on the listing.

:))))....The fees I paid !!!........but there's always one ......thanks!

Edited September 6, 2016 by ChrisY1

[Dumbastheycome]

Sad to see a confirmation that  global standards  are quickly reaching intended  targets.

[bangon04]

31 minutes ago, thai3 said:

So they are all embarrassingly poorly placed then, as usual.

Look at it from the Thai perspective - any rich family with plenty of money and some social influence are very very proud that their not-too-bright kids have gained a place at Chula. This is the top of Thai society. Graduating is apparently a formality. Getting accepted is the achievement. They do not care what the foreign universities do. Thai is all that matters. A degree from Chula opens the doors to a "career" in Thai society.

 

Rich families with plenty of money and smart kids often choose to educate their kids overseas instead. Therefore the rankings are useful to them. They also care little what ranking Chula achieves. They already know the relative values.

[thai3]

Barely universities at all in the western sense, more like degree mills, hence the state of the country

[HowardV]

Why did they stop at 916?

[Lodestone]

This year's Shanghai Rankings also came out a few weeks ago ( http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2016.html ). Unsurprisingly, no Thai universities in the top 500:

 

1. Harvard University
2. Stanford University
3. University of California, Berkeley
 

<<<< Edited the long list for brevity, please read the supporting link >>>>

Edited September 6, 2016 by metisdead

[Fookhaht]

Why did they stop at 916?

Because that's how many universities are in the QS "club." Read my earlier post.


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[arrowsdawdle]

17 hours ago, ezzra said:

But among the top 5 in the world for plagiarism, copying and cheating on exams.....

 

And buying degrees.

[kannot]

wow..top at the BOTTOM of  the heap!

[muzmurray]

22 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Another obsessed rankings article that is just one of the major downfalls of the education system. How about raising standards at the grass root level and then tertiary levels and finally university. I would be jumping for joy if I actually believe these ranking had any credibility other than someone getting a pat on the back.

 

You might want to check what tertiary education is.  :-)

[Shawn0000]

15 hours ago, Morakot said:

Ahh... the top-1000 list is the new top-100 which used to be the top-10 list!!

 

When was a list of over 20,000 ranked only by it's top ten, that is ridiculous, the top 1000 is the top 5%, you are proposing the top 0.05%.

[Shawn0000]

12 hours ago, thai3 said:

So they are all embarrassingly poorly placed then, as usual.

 

Why is being well within the top 5% in the world "embarrassingly poorly placed" in your mind?

[LannaGuy]

1 minute ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Why is being well within the top 5% in the world "embarrassingly poorly placed" in your mind?

 

go look again - most are not ranked only grouped

[NongKhaiKid]

Now then where would Thai unis be placed if the criteria was solely based on the amount of exam passes   ?