DiscoDan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Robert Holmes said the police had a new machine that tested the DNA and they managed to get results back in 4hours. One of these machines that is currently for sale in Thailand is called the rapidhit200 this machine can do tests in 90 minutes, Benefits of the machine is you don't need to be a scientist to use it, only a 3 month course is needed to run this machine, it can also be matched up with police databases so it can see if they have found your dna at another crime scene. As the computer does the testing there is no case notes graphs etc,only a few pieces of paper. So it now looks like the defense are going to have to try and prove that a computer got it wrong, good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddavidovsky Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Khun Han said: It's good that you have the patience to correct these posters, Brian, because casual readers get to read the truth. But the posters we keep correcting are not here to find the truth: they're here to push a dishonest, repugnant agenda. A total abuse of the forum, in fact. Kindly retract that. I have no agenda whatsoever, and certainly not political, if that's what you mean. I just happen to believe that 'truth' is more likely to be arrived at by reason rather than the emotionally heated and prejudiced conviction that fills this thread. Those who state everything so dogmatically (and belligerently) only undermine their own credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: As mentioned in the brief summary of the 200 page appeal document: Multiple procedures are required in order to meet ISO 17025 international standards in DNA testing. The chain of custody, method of testing, graph generated and case notes resulting in the analysis report produced are all required in order to allow an independent expert to verify the results. Only the results of the test without any required supportive documents was provided by the prosecution witness. Talking about misdirection... That has nothing to do with the claim that the police refused to produce the original physical evidence for retesting when the request was granted by the judge and declined by the defense. The quoted refers to the testimony presented in court and that does nothing to substantiate the claim that the DNA evidence was refused for retesting, supposedly because it doesn't exist, in other words, you are conflating two different issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: Robert Holmes said the police had a new machine that tested the DNA and they managed to get results back in 4hours. One of these machines that is currently for sale in Thailand is called the rapidhit200 this machine can do tests in 90 minutes, Benefits of the machine is you don't need to be a scientist to use it, only a 3 month course is needed to run this machine, it can also be matched up with police databases so it can see if they have found your dna at another crime scene. As the computer does the testing there is no case notes graphs etc,only a few pieces of paper. So it now looks like the defense are going to have to try and prove that a computer got it wrong, good luck with that The defense have no intention of arguing about a machines results as its irrelevant to the results they are contesting. This so called machine was not used in the complex mixed sample testing that they extracted from the victim. Mixed sample testing especially containing 3 different people is the most complex to test and NOT carried out by a machine. The machine may well have been used for testing the B2 when they were arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, AleG said: Talking about misdirection... That has nothing to do with the claim that the police refused to produce the original physical evidence for retesting when the request was granted by the judge and declined by the defense. The quoted refers to the testimony presented in court and that does nothing to substantiate the claim that the DNA evidence was refused for retesting, supposedly because it doesn't exist, in other words, you are conflating two different issues. ":rolleyes:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: The defense have no intention of arguing about a machines results as its irrelevant to the results they are contesting. This so called machine was not used in the complex mixed sample testing that they extracted from the victim. Mixed sample testing especially containing 3 different people is the most complex to test and NOT carried out by a machine. The machine may well have been used for testing the B2 when they were arrested. Ok then they will have to prove that somehow scientist managed to clone not 1 but 2 dna profiles that match the 2 Burmese 2 weeks before they were arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: Ok then they will have to prove that somehow scientist managed to clone not 1 but 2 dna profiles that match the 2 Burmese 2 weeks before they were arrested. Without any supporting documents to state how they came about their results then its possible to clone any results you want at any point in time and there is the problem Edited September 17, 2016 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 50 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: Robert Holmes said the police had a new machine that tested the DNA and they managed to get results back in 4hours. One of these machines that is currently for sale in Thailand is called the rapidhit200 this machine can do tests in 90 minutes, Benefits of the machine is you don't need to be a scientist to use it, only a 3 month course is needed to run this machine, it can also be matched up with police databases so it can see if they have found your dna at another crime scene. As the computer does the testing there is no case notes graphs etc,only a few pieces of paper. So it now looks like the defense are going to have to try and prove that a computer got it wrong, good luck with that Quote n 2012 the Palm Bay, Florida, Police Department received the first commercially produced rapid DNA unit placed in a police agency; an IntegenX RapidHIT 200 unit. In January 2014, after a year of testing and validation, the Palm Bay Police began generating leads on real-world criminal cases, including producing a DNA profile in 90 minutes that linked a suspect to a burglary of a U.S. soldier’s home that occurred while he was in Afghanistan. The Palm Bay Police department is known for applying various innovation technologies in real-life situations and is the pioneer of the use of private lab services to create an effective DNA database.2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_DNA Thailand did remarkably well to have this cutting edge tech available on a crappy little island only 8 months after it was first successful in trials by a US police department 'known for applying various innovation technologies.' Or is this more fluff, obfuscation and deflection from the KT apologists? I will leave members to draw their own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Without any supporting documents to state how they came about their results then its possible to clone any results you want at any point in time and there is the problem I think your clutching at straws, cloning dna of not 1 but 2 suspects who you don't even know two weeks before their arrest just to get 1 person would be odds of 7.4 billion to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, smedly said: time for this thread to be closed as the last 30 post are just repeating the same thing over and over You could be correct. //Closed// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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