NY bomb “not linked to international terrorism”

[Shot]

Police released a pictured of Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, who is being sought in connection with the Chelsea blast. Looks like a ?????

 

Edited September 19, 2016 by Shot

[Slip]

I don't always get what the to and fro is about in these news threads, be they US politics or global terrorism.

 

Obviously people (including the people quoted in the early reports, and most of us here at TV) are going to consider the idea that any terrorist attack is perpetrated by muslim terrorists.  What are these professionals to say?  We think it is a muslim attack but we have no evidence for that claim yet? They would be publicly flayed- Public servants are held to higher standards than TV posters, after alll.  As far as I can see, they are doing their jobs properly and professionally by commenting only when they have something to back up their statements.  

It seems that it has become apparent relatively quickly that this WAS such an attack, and that was released in a fairly timely manner to the news wires.

 

Where is the problem here?

[ClutchClark]

The headline reads not linked to International Terrorism. That sounds like a press release from an Gov't Authority. 

 

The most that should be said if the investigation is on-going is simply that, "The investigation is ongoing and we are still establishing connections".

 

BTW, there was aknife attack in Minnesota within the past 12 hours. The guy was another one of those suffering mental illness. He was so crazy he thought he was a Muslim terrorist and was yelling Allah Akbar as he was slicing and dicing Americans. 

 

We need to do something about these mentally ill guys with beards in America.

[dunroaming]

Slip

 

Agree completely.

[peterb17]

The headline reads not linked to International Terrorism. That sounds like a press release from an Gov't Authority. 

 

The most that should be said if the investigation is on-going is simply that, "The investigation is ongoing and we are still establishing connections".

 

BTW, there was aknife attack in Minnesota within the past 12 hours. The guy was another one of those suffering mental illness. He was so crazy he thought he was a Muslim terrorist and was yelling Allah Akbar as he was slicing and dicing Americans. 

 

We need to do something about these mentally ill guys with beards in America.

You simply can't say that- totally non politically correct.

Have you not heard of hipsters?

However it seems very weird that initial reports say this was not a terrorist attack- planting bombs in cities does not cause a smidgeon of terror in the local population?

[dunroaming]

39 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

We need to do something about these mentally ill guys with beards in America

 

Would seem so  What do suggest and how are you going to identify the guilty ones?  Of course not all of them are mentally ill at all..

[coma]

Ahmad Khan Rahami, a naturalised US citizen born in Afghanistan.

 

Maybe no links to international terrorism. The low tech of the attack suggest so. More of a lone wolf attack by another sick and twisted Muslim. Possibly either struggling with his sexuality, bankrupt, wife left him for another women or in the midst of some other personal breakdown and his  self disappointment and envy of REAL westerners got the best of him so he decided to have a go at the way happy people live their lives.

 

 Another notch in the gun belt for those against allowing Muslims into the United State and the more broader issue of global Arab migration and asylum seekers.

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[JetsetBkk]

2 hours ago, SgtRock said:

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New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has named the man being hunted as 28-year-old Ahmad Khan Rahami - a New Jersey resident and a naturalised US citizen.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/ny-bomber-identified-may-be-armed-and-dangerous-10584860

 

From the link:

 

"Meanwhile, New York governor Andrew Cuomo, having previously ruled out a link between the Manhattan bombing and international terrorism, has now acknowledged 'it may be foreign related'."

 

[dunroaming]

The Minnesota knifeman had lived in the US for over twenty years and this man is a naturalised American.  Stopping Muslims from entering the US is not going to stop this sort of action.

[Usernames]

5 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The Minnesota knifeman had lived in the US for over twenty years and this man is a naturalised American.  Stopping Muslims from entering the US is not going to stop this sort of action.

 

Well, it would have stopped both of these guys.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 hours ago, JetsetBkk said:

 

From the link:

 

"Meanwhile, New York governor Andrew Cuomo, having previously ruled out a link between the Manhattan bombing and international terrorism, has now acknowledged 'it may be foreign related'."

 

 

Here's the NY Times latest story on the manhunt for this Afghan born, U.S. citizen suspected in the bombings:

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-hunt-for-ahmad-khan-rahami-in-connection-with-manhattan-bombing/ar-BBwl6MA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignoutmd

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Mr. Rahami was identified on surveillance video near the locations of both the bomb that exploded in Chelsea and another device that did not detonate a few blocks away, according to law enforcement offcials.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who said on Sunday that the attack did not appear to have a link to international terrorism, said new evidence might change that thinking.

“I would not be surprised if we did have a foreign connection to the act,” he said on CNN on Monday morning.

 

 

 

 

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Edited as per fair use policy.

[Ulysses G.]

9 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The Minnesota knifeman had lived in the US for over twenty years and this man is a naturalised American.  Stopping Muslims from entering the US is not going to stop this sort of action.

 

Apparently, it was a mistake to allow them in,in the first place, but that is spilled milk. Why add fuel to the fire?

[JHolmesJr]

2 hours ago, Shot said:

Police released a pictured of Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, who is being sought in connection with the Chelsea blast. Looks like a ?????

 

 

Looks british mate. 

Edited September 19, 2016 by JHolmesJr

[Nasrullah]

#Hillary says Trump rhetoric turning terror into "religious conflict." It has been a religious conflict from the start. Don't you get that?

[Nasrullah]

>Muslim terror group promises terror attack

>attack occurs >

not terrorism!

Muslim perp

>not real Muslim!

^Script is becoming painfully routine

 

This happens so frequently that I basically assume the reflexive denials are probably confirmations.

Mollie added,

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[JHolmesJr]

6 minutes ago, Nasrullah said:

#Hillary says Trump rhetoric turning terror into "religious conflict." It has been a religious conflict from the start. Don't you get that?

 

They've got a nice little business going in the ME…arming the saudis and their buddies plus starting up wars to boost the economy….probably don't want to lose their best customers.

[dunroaming]

24 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Apparently, it was a mistake to allow them in,in the first place, but that is spilled milk. Why add fuel to the fire?

 

My point is that in these cases as in the majority of the cases in Europe the terrorists had been in the country for many years, long before ISIL existed.  In other words there was no Trojan horse.  They were radicalised long after living in the various countries.  I am not suggesting that there shouldn't be stronger vetting of immigrants now but that won't deal with the current threat.  The question is how do you deal with the current situation?

[ukrules]

I read that he's just been arrested after shooting a cop in NJ.

[Nasrullah]

 

5 minutes ago

Photo of Rahami's alleged arrest

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[pegman]

45 minutes ago, Nasrullah said:

#Hillary says Trump rhetoric turning terror into "religious conflict." It has been a religious conflict from the start. Don't you get that?

Are you saying W.Bush was in fact on a religious  crusade?

[Nasrullah]

2 minutes ago, pegman said:

Are you saying W.Bush was in fact on a religious  crusade?

No.....His crusade was a military industrial complex crusade!........Weapons of mass destruction remember

 

[pegman]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Apparently, it was a mistake to allow them in,in the first place, but that is spilled milk. Why add fuel to the fire?

I've heard the same thing said by Native Indians.

[ClutchClark]

40 minutes ago, pegman said:

I've heard the same thing said by Native Indians.

 

And look how that worked out for them...lets learn from that mistake and keep these new invaders from landing on our shores.

 

(Insert emoticon of guy giving thumbs up!)

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[JemJem]

Well, part of me wishes that such barbarian people get caught dead ! But then again, if his arrest and following interrogation leads to at least 1 other barbarian getting arrested and being put off the streets, then that's much better of course !

[Skywalker69]

NY, NJ bombings: Suspect wounded, arrested after shootout; 2 officers hit.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/new-york-explosion-investigation/index.html?sr=fbCNN091916new-york-explosion-investigation1156AMVODtop

[ClutchClark]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

 

Would seem so  What do suggest and how are you going to identify the guilty ones?  Of course not all of them are mentally ill at all..

 

Hmmm...we need to find some common thread that they all share.

 

It seems they are all of the same faith...we could start with that.

 

 

[ClutchClark]

Great bit of police work already idenifying this guy and placing him in custody. 

 

I wish the officers had been better shots but still well done!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

NY, NJ bombings: Suspect wounded, arrested after shootout; 2 officers hit.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/new-york-explosion-investigation/index.html?sr=fbCNN091916new-york-explosion-investigation1156AMVODtop

 

So presumably this guy, given that officers were shot during the arrest, was something a bit more than a run-of-the-mill fried chicken shack operator...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Been watching the live U.S. news coverage on the arrest of this bombing suspect.

 

Got to say, there are times when U.S. law enforcement deserves criticism for civil rights violations and questionable shootings.

 

But in this case, it appears, local law enforcement moved quickly and effectively to find and arrest this suspect. They also got lucky/some help through some bombs that did not explode and thus provided clues to the identity of the suspect, and help from citizens who found and alerted authorities to some of the unexploded bombs.

 

Bottom line: within a very short period after the bombings, the authorities found and arrested at least one key suspect, and are actively looking into whether others were involved.

 

Let's just hope the NY/NJ bombings investigation doesn't end up in a status where weeks after the bombings, there are warrants out for suspects and few if any of them in custody. And I'd say it's a pretty safe bet, the U.S. authorities aren't going to be releasing this guy or buying him a plane ticket to travel anywhere.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

I wish the officers had been better shots but still well done!

 

There's a point to that notion. But, on the flip side, a living suspect at least provides some additional opportunity to help unravel whether any others were involved, and what exactly was the motivation(s) for his alleged actions.