Brexit hits speed bump as court rules lawmakers must get say

[HauptmannUK]

Given Trump's thoughts about NATO that 'EU Army' idea doesn't look so stupid now....

[Laughing Gravy]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I will comment tomorrow. I am enjoying such a joyous triumph. Your EU dream is over.

Actually I am not a huge trump fan. I believe in some of his principles but I don’t agree the way he delivers them or himself. The election has once again has shown like with the UK referendum, that Polls lie and I am convinced that the establishment fix polls in the hope people follow them like sheep. Clearly they do not. I also think that the Bookmakers and media do similar rigging and bias.  Once again the BBC has shamed themselves and as I have mentioned before they should be taken over and restructured. I feel sorry that people in the UK have no opt out and have to pay for a service that is meant to be independent and not biased. It is different with SKY News, people pay for that (crap) voluntarily.

As for Trump It shows that the populist class have had enough of immigration and want themselves to come first. I like the fact he said he will take troops out of foreign lands. I hope he means it but certainly is less a war monger than HC or Obama. He is a safer bet than Clinton on starting world war 3. It is about time that the ruling elites started listening to the people. I was only joking that this is the end of the EU. I don’t think Trump is the catalyst. Brexit has done that. Certainly Trump will be a better friend to the UK than HC.

It will be very interesting times but regardless of what he does or doesn’t do the victory is for the people who don’t want forced integration, don’t want to be overrun by Muslims and are fed up of being called a racist, when you don’t agree with the politicians who want and demand it. I certainly think that the USA is not the last country to have such a shock. France and even Germany next.

[chiang mai]

18 hours ago, alanrchase said:

 

I am British so Baht/Pound is a concern. A lot of people think the Baht is pegged to the US dollar, not true. Just because the Dollar drops against the Pound does not automatically mean the Baht will. Made money from Brexit, lost money on exchange rate. Sticking a finger up at the establishment is fun. Historically it generally ends in tears.

 

 

It's not pegged but BOT does operate a managed float which means it tracks USD in a broad range.

 

https://www.bot.or.th/English/MonetaryPolicy/MonetPolicyKnowledge/Pages/ExchangeRate.aspx

Edited November 10, 2016 by chiang mai

[stevenl]

 
It's not pegged but BOT does operate a managed float which means it tracks USD in a broad range.
 
https://www.bot.or.th/English/MonetaryPolicy/MonetPolicyKnowledge/Pages/ExchangeRate.aspx

It tracks the foreign exchange market in a broad range, not specifically or necessarily the US.

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[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

It tracks the foreign exchange market in a broad range, not specifically or necessarily the US.

Sent from my ROBBY using Thaivisa Connect mobile app
 

 

Yes, sort of! Except since Thailand is an exporting country and export bills are generally settled in USD, tracking USD to a greater degree becomes important. But I agree that tracking against a basket of currencies, including ASEAN currencies (many of which track USD to a greater extent) is also important.

[stevenl]

55 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

Yes, sort of! Except since Thailand is an exporting country and export bills are generally settled in USD, tracking USD to a greater degree becomes important. But I agree that tracking against a basket of currencies, including ASEAN currencies (many of which track USD to a greater extent) is also important.

We're getting off topic here, but if you look at a currency comparison chart over the years since 1997, you'll see quite some fluctuations between US$ and Baht.

[sandyf]

53 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

Yes, sort of! Except since Thailand is an exporting country and export bills are generally settled in USD, tracking USD to a greater degree becomes important. But I agree that tracking against a basket of currencies, including ASEAN currencies (many of which track USD to a greater extent) is also important.

Also Thailand has substantial foreign currency reserves, last year they were number 14 in the world and above that held by the UK. Some years ago it was reported that BOT policy would be to hold foreign currency reserves predominantly in USD, so any movement in USD would have an effect on the baht.

[sandyf]

20 minutes ago, stevenl said:

We're getting off topic here, but if you look at a currency comparison chart over the years since 1997, you'll see quite some fluctuations between US$ and Baht.

Not a really valid comparison, it was only about 10 years ago that Thailand implemented the current foreign exchange policy in respect of USD. Can't quite remember what they moved away from, GBP or Euros.

 

Have a look at post 130 in this thread.

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by sandyf

[chiang mai]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

We're getting off topic here, but if you look at a currency comparison chart over the years since 1997, you'll see quite some fluctuations between US$ and Baht.

 

Yes indeed but of course the value of USD doesn't remain flat, it strengthens and weakens also.

[sandyf]

On 11/8/2016 at 10:31 AM, Grouse said:

 

What lies were these? I you saying that forecasts were over egged? Are they lies? I think there is a difference.

What many seem to conveniently forget was that many of the forecasts were made on the indication by David Cameron that Article 50 would be triggered immediately. Of course that did not happen and everything is rosy in the garden.

[sandyf]

On 11/8/2016 at 9:32 AM, jpinx said:

That's a bit rich - given the Remainers lies and misleading forecasts bandied around, sponsored by the government.  I smacks of serious sour grapes and hopefully will not muddy the waters any further.

It would appear that there are many of the opinion that horse doping should be legalised, the stewards enquiry abolished and every result taken at face value.

[alanrchase]

Not sure what is the problem. Brexit will go ahead. The case was bought to uphold the law and procedure. Nothing wrong with that. If "leavers" are happy to bypass due process it does not bode well for the future.

[rockingrobin]

On 11/8/2016 at 2:32 AM, jpinx said:

That's a bit rich - given the Remainers lies and misleading forecasts bandied around, sponsored by the government.  I smacks of serious sour grapes and hopefully will not muddy the waters any further.

 

53 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It would appear that there are many of the opinion that horse doping should be legalised, the stewards enquiry abolished and every result taken at face value.

Forecasts are dependent upon future actions and interventions

The leave made quantifiable claims , £350m , point based immigration system

[Laughing Gravy]

Here is one that Mr. Cameron said that the EU would never allow Turkey in for many years and is not remotely on the cards. Guess that was lies then from todays Times.

 

Tensions between Turkey and the European Union escalated yesterday as President Erdogan urged Brussels to reach a final decision on the nation’s application for EU membership.

A growing row flared between the two sides as the Turkish leader goaded Europe over its fears of a refugee influx. In return, the European Commission criticised Ankara over freedom of expression and human rights.

Mr Erdogan said that Turkey’s patience had been tested after trying to join the bloc for more than half a century. He attacked those who “shamefully” said that Turkey’s application should be reviewed before urging Brussels to make up its mind. “Get a move on and review it straight away,” he said. “But don’t just review it — make a final decision.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/angry-erdogan-tells-eu-to-decide-on-membership-tvthps0pp

[Laughing Gravy]

23 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Here is one that Mr. Cameron said that the EU would never allow Turkey in for many years and is not remotely on the cards. Guess that was lies then from todays Times.

 

Tensions between Turkey and the European Union escalated yesterday as President Erdogan urged Brussels to reach a final decision on the nation’s application for EU membership.

A growing row flared between the two sides as the Turkish leader goaded Europe over its fears of a refugee influx. In return, the European Commission criticised Ankara over freedom of expression and human rights.

Mr Erdogan said that Turkey’s patience had been tested after trying to join the bloc for more than half a century. He attacked those who “shamefully” said that Turkey’s application should be reviewed before urging Brussels to make up its mind. “Get a move on and review it straight away,” he said. “But don’t just review it — make a final decision.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/angry-erdogan-tells-eu-to-decide-on-membership-tvthps0pp

Just to remind you exactly what timeframe he said.

 

'His remarks are the latest sign of tensions between Turkey and the UK over David Cameron’s insistence that Turkey should not expect to join the EU until the year 3000'. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/turkey-eu-referendum-foreign-minister-mevlut-cavusoglu-david-cameron

[rockingrobin]

44 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Here is one that Mr. Cameron said that the EU would never allow Turkey in for many years and is not remotely on the cards. Guess that was lies then from todays Times.

 

Tensions between Turkey and the European Union escalated yesterday as President Erdogan urged Brussels to reach a final decision on the nation’s application for EU membership.

A growing row flared between the two sides as the Turkish leader goaded Europe over its fears of a refugee influx. In return, the European Commission criticised Ankara over freedom of expression and human rights.

Mr Erdogan said that Turkey’s patience had been tested after trying to join the bloc for more than half a century. He attacked those who “shamefully” said that Turkey’s application should be reviewed before urging Brussels to make up its mind. “Get a move on and review it straight away,” he said. “But doeaco.uk/edition/world/angry-erdogan-tells-eu-to-decide-on-membership-tvthps0pp

A prominent leave campaigner is supportive of their bid

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

 

It would appear that a Brexit gov wants Turkey to join whilst a remain gov was opposed.

[Laughing Gravy]

8 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

A prominent leave campaigner is supportive of their bid

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

 

It would appear that a Brexit gov wants Turkey to join whilst a remain gov was opposed.

The point is David Cameron lied, are you going to admit it. You keep going on and on about 350 million.

Great Boris well done. Now we are leaving the EU. Hilarious. Maybe he can help Russia join.

 

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU

Edited November 10, 2016 by Laughing Gravy

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Here is one that Mr. Cameron said that the EU would never allow Turkey in for many years and is not remotely on the cards. Guess that was lies then from todays Times.

 

Tensions between Turkey and the European Union escalated yesterday as President Erdogan urged Brussels to reach a final decision on the nation’s application for EU membership.

A growing row flared between the two sides as the Turkish leader goaded Europe over its fears of a refugee influx. In return, the European Commission criticised Ankara over freedom of expression and human rights.

Mr Erdogan said that Turkey’s patience had been tested after trying to join the bloc for more than half a century. He attacked those who “shamefully” said that Turkey’s application should be reviewed before urging Brussels to make up its mind. “Get a move on and review it straight away,” he said. “But don’t just review it — make a final decision.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/angry-erdogan-tells-eu-to-decide-on-membership-tvthps0pp

Other than what you quoted, I cannot read because of Murdoch's paywall, but what part of the quoted text suggests that Cameron was lying? Erdogan is expressing frustration because the EU is doing what Cameron said it would do, and you are still not satisfied. Clearly he should have written the opposite on the side of a bus - that seems to be an honest mistake in many peoples' books.

[Laughing Gravy]

 

The quoted text says that Turkey wants to join the EU and it looks like they will be accepted. David Cameron as listed below clearly stated in his campaign that would never happen until the year 3000.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/turkey-eu-referendum-foreign-minister-mevlut-cavusoglu-david-cameron

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1324218/david-cameron-lying-about-turkey-joining-eu-as-talks-will-take-place-just-days-after-referendum/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-turkey-joining-eu-is-not-remotely-on-the-cards/

 

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Actually I am not a huge trump fan. I believe in some of his principles but I don’t agree the way he delivers them or himself. The election has once again has shown like with the UK referendum, that Polls lie and I am convinced that the establishment fix polls in the hope people follow them like sheep. Clearly they do not. I also think that the Bookmakers and media do similar rigging and bias.  Once again the BBC has shamed themselves and as I have mentioned before they should be taken over and restructured. I feel sorry that people in the UK have no opt out and have to pay for a service that is meant to be independent and not biased. It is different with SKY News, people pay for that (crap) voluntarily.

As for Trump It shows that the populist class have had enough of immigration and want themselves to come first. I like the fact he said he will take troops out of foreign lands. I hope he means it but certainly is less a war monger than HC or Obama. He is a safer bet than Clinton on starting world war 3. It is about time that the ruling elites started listening to the people. I was only joking that this is the end of the EU. I don’t think Trump is the catalyst. Brexit has done that. Certainly Trump will be a better friend to the UK than HC.

It will be very interesting times but regardless of what he does or doesn’t do the victory is for the people who don’t want forced integration, don’t want to be overrun by Muslims and are fed up of being called a racist, when you don’t agree with the politicians who want and demand it. I certainly think that the USA is not the last country to have such a shock. France and even Germany next.

 

 Very true,the Corporate Media and opinion polls are propagander, not news.

 Unfortunately for them they were found out, resulting in the British people voting to regain their soverenty in this referendum. Yet we still have the sheep who believe everything they read,they are now called Remoaners.

[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

The quoted text says that Turkey wants to join the EU and it looks like they will be accepted. David Cameron as listed below clearly stated in his campaign that would never happen until the year 3000.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/turkey-eu-referendum-foreign-minister-mevlut-cavusoglu-david-cameron

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1324218/david-cameron-lying-about-turkey-joining-eu-as-talks-will-take-place-just-days-after-referendum/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-turkey-joining-eu-is-not-remotely-on-the-cards/

 

 

In what part of the text does it suggest that they will be accepted? Brexit is over - you won. No need to keep up with this twisting of the narrative to try to fill in an empty space with scare-mongering supposition or downright lies dressed up as fact. 

[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 Very true,the Corporate Media and opinion polls are propagander, not news.

 Unfortunately for them they were found out, resulting in the British people voting to regain their soverenty in this referendum. Yet we still have the sheep who believe everything they read,they are now called Remoaners.

 

That's right - the Guardian and Independent are peddling an agenda, whereas the Telegraph, the Times, Sun, Express, the Mail - they are all beacons of impartiality, and Murdoch, the Barclay Brothers, Paul Dacre, Lord Rothmere and the pornographer Richard Desmond are all bastions of the truth? Can I have some of what you are drinking?

 

Oh, and NEVER lose sight of the fact that only 25% of Britons voted to leave the EU, and only 37% of the electorate - the British people are either against it or, to all our unfortunate cost, ignored it. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

But yesterday, during his first official visit to Turkey, Mr Johnson said that Britain will "help Turkey in any way" now that it is leaving the EU

So Boris the great is offering, once again, promises he can't possibly keep.

 

Typical Boris. 

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, oilinki said:

So Boris the great is offering, once again, promises he can't possibly keep.

 

Typical Boris. 

 

Desperate to strike a trade deal, maybe he will offer his Turkish brethren with free passage to the UK while the EU retains its controls? That would be ironic. 

[rockingrobin]

13 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

The quoted text says that Turkey wants to join the EU and it looks like they will be accepted. David Cameron as listed below clearly stated in his campaign that would never happen until the year 3000.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/turkey-eu-referendum-foreign-minister-mevlut-cavusoglu-david-cameron

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1324218/david-cameron-lying-about-turkey-joining-eu-as-talks-will-take-place-just-days-after-referendum/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/david-cameron-turkey-joining-eu-is-not-remotely-on-the-cards/

 

David Cameron did not say that, he said at the current rate of Turkeys improvement it will be in 3000

If Turkey is accepted into the EU it will be with the blessing of a Brexit government, unless the UK have left by the time of Turkeys membership approval 

[rockingrobin]

9 minutes ago, oilinki said:

So Boris the great is offering, once again, promises he can't possibly keep.

 

Typical Boris. 

 

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Desperate to strike a trade deal, maybe he will offer his Turkish brethren with free passage to the UK while the EU retains its controls? That would be ironic. 

Daniel Hannan MEP (eurosceptic) wants to keep free movement of people

[Laughing Gravy]

14 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

David Cameron did not say that, he said at the current rate of Turkeys improvement it will be in 3000

If Turkey is accepted into the EU it will be with the blessing of a Brexit government, unless the UK have left by the time of Turkeys membership approval 

 

 

Here is another link. How many do you need? The main point Lies. Which you keep going on and on about. Yes all politicians lie.

 

'Cameron said in May that Turkey would not become an EU member state “until the year 3000” – a statement which shocked some observers in the country.'

https://www.rt.com/uk/347761-turkey-cameron-eu-referendum/

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by Laughing Gravy

[rockingrobin]

17 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

 

Here is another link. How many do you need? The main point Lies. Which you keep going on and on about. Yes all politicians lie.

 

'Cameron said in May that Turkey would not become an EU member state “until the year 3000” – a statement which shocked some observers in the country.'

https://www.rt.com/uk/347761-turkey-cameron-eu-referendum/

 

British Prime Minister David Cameron said May 22 it would be decades before Turkey could possibly join the EU, saying that it might happen in the year 3000 on current progress.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/britain-says-turkey-decades-from-joining-the-eu-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=99514&NewsCatID=351

and reported in FT

[stevenl]

30 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

 

Here is another link. How many do you need? The main point Lies. Which you keep going on and on about. Yes all politicians lie.

 

'Cameron said in May that Turkey would not become an EU member state “until the year 3000” – a statement which shocked some observers in the country.'

https://www.rt.com/uk/347761-turkey-cameron-eu-referendum/

 

Now please an actual link of his words, in stead of links to statements of Turkish officials saying 'Cameron said ...'.

 

I can help you though, from rockingrobin's link

Quote

"It is not remotely on the cards that Turkey is going to join the EU at any time soon," Cameron told ITV television.
 
"They applied in 1987. At the current rate of progress, they'd probably get round to joining in about the year 3000."  

Which is completely different from the statements you made.

Edited November 10, 2016 by stevenl

[Laughing Gravy]

14 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

British Prime Minister David Cameron said May 22 it would be decades before Turkey could possibly join the EU, saying that it might happen in the year 3000 on current progress.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/britain-says-turkey-decades-from-joining-the-eu-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=99514&NewsCatID=351

and reported in FT

Look at post 319. The whole point is he lied like many politicians do.