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You Europeans Better Flee To Oz Or Nz.

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The Rape of Europe' From the desk of Paul Belien on

Wed, 10-25-2006

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the

Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that

young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate.

Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years

from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin,

Broder pointed to the other customers and the

passers-by and said melancholica lly: "We are

watching the world of yesterday." Europe is turning

Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going

to emigrate himself. "I am too old," he said.

However, he urged young people to get out and "move

to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option

they have if they want to avoid the plagues that

will turn the old continent uninhabitable." Many

Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for

Broder's advice. The number of emigrants leaving the

Netherlands and Germany has al ready surpassed the

number of immigrants moving in.

One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like

Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just

consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in

contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million.

It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025,

one third of all European children will be born to

Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most

popular name for new-born boys in Brussels,

Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European

cities.&n bsp;

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not

willing to oppose islamization. "The dominant

ethos," he told De Volkskrant, "is perfectly voiced

by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I

recently debated. She said that it is sometimes

better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious

injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes

better to avoid fighting than run the risk of

death." In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels

newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay

and self-declared "humanist") author Oscar Van den

Boogaard refers to Broder's interview. Van den

Boogaard says that to him coping with the

Islamization of Europe is like "a process of

mourning." He is overwhelmed by a "feeling of

sadness." "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who

is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I

was only good at enjoying it."

As Tom Bethell wrote in this month's American

Spectator: "Just at the most basic level of

demography the secular-humanist option is not

working." But there is more to it than the fact that

non-religious people tend not to have as many

children as religious people, because many of them

prefer to "enjoy" freedom rather than renounce it

for the sake of children . Secularists, it seems to

me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do

not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only

thing they have to lose. Hence they will rather

accept submission than fight. Like the German

feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped

than to resist.

"If faith collapses, civilization goes with it,"

says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing

of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply

the consequence. The very word Islam means

"submission"&n bsp;and the secularists have submitted

already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims,

though they do not realize it or do not want to

admit it. Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are

particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism

in Europe. They are correct when they fear that

anti-Semitism is also on the rise among

non-immigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with

a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in

Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans)

is related to anti-Americanism.

People who are not prepared to resist and are eager

to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and

are prepared to fight. They hate them because they

are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives

as well. In their view everyone must submit. This is

why they have come to hate Israel and America so

much, and the small band of European "Islamophobes"

who dare to talk about what they see happening

around them. West Europeans have to choose between

submission (Islam) or death.

I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen

submission - just like in former days when they

preferred to be red rather than dead.

The Rape of Europe' From the desk of Paul Belien on

Wed, 10-25-2006

The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the

Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that

young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate.

Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years

from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin,

Broder pointed to the other customers and the

passers-by and said melancholica lly: "We are

watching the world of yesterday." Europe is turning

Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going

to emigrate himself. "I am too old," he said.

However, he urged young people to get out and "move

to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option

they have if they want to avoid the plagues that

will turn the old continent uninhabitable." Many

Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for

Broder's advice. The number of emigrants leaving the

Netherlands and Germany has al ready surpassed the

number of immigrants moving in.

One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like

Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just

consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in

contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million.

It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025,

one third of all European children will be born to

Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most

popular name for new-born boys in Brussels,

Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European

cities.&n bsp;

Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not

willing to oppose islamization. "The dominant

ethos," he told De Volkskrant, "is perfectly voiced

by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I

recently debated. She said that it is sometimes

better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious

injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes

better to avoid fighting than run the risk of

death." In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels

newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay

and self-declared "humanist") author Oscar Van den

Boogaard refers to Broder's interview. Van den

Boogaard says that to him coping with the

Islamization of Europe is like "a process of

mourning." He is overwhelmed by a "feeling of

sadness." "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who

is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I

was only good at enjoying it."

As Tom Bethell wrote in this month's American

Spectator: "Just at the most basic level of

demography the secular-humanist option is not

working." But there is more to it than the fact that

non-religious people tend not to have as many

children as religious people, because many of them

prefer to "enjoy" freedom rather than renounce it

for the sake of children . Secularists, it seems to

me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do

not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only

thing they have to lose. Hence they will rather

accept submission than fight. Like the German

feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped

than to resist.

"If faith collapses, civilization goes with it,"

says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing

of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply

the consequence. The very word Islam means

"submission"&n bsp;and the secularists have submitted

already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims,

though they do not realize it or do not want to

admit it. Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are

particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism

in Europe. They are correct when they fear that

anti-Semitism is also on the rise among

non-immigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with

a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in

Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans)

is related to anti-Americanism.

People who are not prepared to resist and are eager

to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and

are prepared to fight. They hate them because they

are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives

as well. In their view everyone must submit. This is

why they have come to hate Israel and America so

much, and the small band of European "Islamophobes"

who dare to talk about what they see happening

around them. West Europeans have to choose between

submission (Islam) or death.

I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen

submission - just like in former days when they

preferred to be red rather than dead.

What a load of <deleted>!

The Dansai "kid" has spoken - very intelligently I may add. :o

Islam has already found Australia and the battle has begun. This faith, IMH(umble)O represents the best and worst of mankind. There is no ultimate answer to peace on earth but I fear Islam is not the answer. No single religion has an answer... except "tree hugging" (of course)! :D

True, it wasn't my most eloquent moment - however I feel that propaganda such as that does nothing but breed intolerance.

True, it wasn't my most eloquent moment - however I feel that propaganda such as that does nothing but breed intolerance.

True, but how do you debate a topic like that without someone being offended ?

If you speak out against the "Islamification" of Europe, or any where else, you are intolerant.

If you support it, You are Anti-Semetic, or Anti-American, or Anti-Equal Rights or Anti-something or other.

I have a hard time debating the matter with an open mind myself, especially after working in places like this (Afghanistan) for a couple of years.

I think that debating different aspects of the changing demographics of the world can possibly be very interesting but the OP seems to be a very hateful person based on how he characterizes those whose opinions are different from his own.

Chownah

People who are not prepared to resist and are eager

to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and

are prepared to fight. They hate them because they

are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives

as well. In their view everyone must submit. This is

why they have come to hate Israel and America so

much, and the small band of European "Islamophobes"

who dare to talk about what they see happening

around them. West Europeans have to choose between

submission (Islam) or death.

Words of wisdom.

Much as some of us like to pretend otherwise! :o

Interesting subject. I'm not a European expert, but I do think this is where the tipping point in the so called 'clash of civilizations' is going to be.

I'd love to read about the views here, from all sides. This issue will always be heated because it IS a defining issue for the future.

I very frequently correspond and chat with Dutch people.

I daily look the Dutch tv (BVN) and read Dutch papers .

What I experience is that there is a feeling umongst the citizens that they are taken over by the foreigners and specific,foreigners with muslim background.

My contacts are from a very different backgound,age and race but really 90% of them are in favor of an immigrant stop.

Holland is a very strange country where a law against the full cover of the body (burka,but also helmet and other full head cover) is forbidden on streets and public places by law ( recently),raised

protests all over and no one realized that these laws are excisting in Tunesia and Turkey f.e.( about 90-95 % muslim population).

Many from the immigrants are coming from rural areas in Turkey and Marocco and cannot be compared to the more "civilized" (educated) people from the cities (who not even think about emigration!).

I am following with interest the continuing discussion and hope that there will not be a clash.

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I think that debating different aspects of the changing demographics of the world can possibly be very interesting but the OP seems to be a very hateful person based on how he characterizes those whose opinions are different from his own.

Chownah

I didn't write the article. I just posted it for any interested parties to read if they wanted.

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