18 months overstay

[Henry1975]

I just a newbie here and i no need any finger point on my overstay.As you read by title i am on 18 months overstay.Lived here for the past 17 years, always follow the rules, always on a Non "o" and regular work permit.An unexpected situation lead me to overstay and the founds i was used to feed my family.

Now i find a job:there is any chance if i fly out from Sawannabhumi that i will not be banned, so i will return for start the job?

[sniffdog]

I fear the worst of answers. Ban for sure.


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[daveAustin]

If you present yourself:

"An alien who overstays more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 3 years, starting from the departure date."

 

If you're caught:

An alien who is caught overstaying more than 1 year beyond his/her permitted date will be banned from re-entering the country for 10 years, starting from the departure date.

 

+ fines

 

http://overstay.immigration.go.th/advice.html

[dabhand]

This recent thread might give you an indication of your chances:

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/954293-overstay-blacklist/?page=1 

[A1Str8]

There's no way you won't be banned unless you have good connections. But if that was the case you wouldn't ask this question. 

Go to immigration with your valid passport, get yourself detained, have enough money with you to pay the overstay and the overpriced plane ticket that the immigration will book for you and you should be out of the country in about two weeks. 

And you won't be back in about 3-5 years. 

[elviajero]

Yes there is a chance that you won't be banned as ultimately the decision is with the IO's at the airport.

 

If I were you I would firstly contact your local immigration office, anominously, to ask if they can help or give advice.

 

If they cannot help, when leaving the country, I would check into the flight and then surrender to the immigration office at the airport rather than the IO at passport control.

 

Take your wife with you, maybe a letter briefly explaining the circumstances leading to the overstay, and proof of your new job. They might, as long as you pay the 20K fine, allow you to exit without a ban.

[Deepinthailand]

Just go as stated  by Elviajero play every card you have. and take some money you never know. the gloom stern who hate every overstayer who post on here really don't have a clue they just quote immigration rules chapter and verse. good luck hope it works out for you and you get to come back in.

[BritTim]

Your chances are not good, but you might get lucky. I can think of nothing better than surrendering to airport immigration at Suvanabhumi and hoping for the best. Go to the airport at least 6 hours, maybe even 8 hours, before your flight leaves. You have a better chance if you have the time to build a relationship with immigration before they need to make the final decision. It goes without saying that you should dress as though for a job interview, be extremely deferential and remorseful, and stick to the truth. Any BS is likely to be smelled out by them and make your chances worse. Do have all the documentation necessary for applying for a Non immigrant B visa to show you will be working legally. Stress that your family need you.

 

Good luck. Contrary to the impression you may sometimes get, immigration officials are often more sympathetic than the members on this board.

 

EDIT: Just a warning of something that is not obvious. Your flight should not be to Laos. Lao immigration have instructed airlines not to check in passengers with overstay.

Edited November 21, 2016 by BritTim

[dbrenn]

5 hours ago, elviajero said:

Yes there is a chance that you won't be banned as ultimately the decision is with the IO's at the airport.

 

If I were you I would firstly contact your local immigration office, anominously, to ask if they can help or give advice.

 

If they cannot help, when leaving the country, I would check into the flight and then surrender to the immigration office at the airport rather than the IO at passport control.

 

Take your wife with you, maybe a letter briefly explaining the circumstances leading to the overstay, and proof of your new job. They might, as long as you pay the 20K fine, allow you to exit without a ban.

 

OP - Also take a bottle of expensive whisky, in a plain carrier bag. Be polite and respectful, and wish them an early Happy New Year while you place the bag beside the desk of the IO as you sit down. This is Thailand, and whilst officials are not supposed to accept gifts in exchange for looking on a situation favourably, in my experience most do and the OP has nothing to lose anyway if they don't. 

 

Edited November 21, 2016 by dbrenn

[zxzoomy]

I suggest the airport will be safer than going to an immigration office, but not to Laos, as someone said. 

[Munotlaw]

Check in craigslist under "legal". Get in contact with one of this lawyers, which are specialized in such cases. Friend of mine got away with 5 years overstay. Will cost you around 50 - 80000 Baht. You have to leave the country, but don't get blacklisted. You can come back at any time you wishes. 

Munotlaw

Edited November 21, 2016 by Munotlaw

[ubonjoe]

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[catman20]

living here for so long you should know better i hope they ban you for a very long time, i would if it was up to me. they should make an example of you.

[Munotlaw]

living here for so long you should know better i hope they ban you for a very long time, i would if it was up to me. they should make an example of you.

 

Should he follow my advice, they don't will make an example of him. He can leave, can have a proper tourist visa in Singapore, can come back, visit the same lawyer in Bangkok which will provide him with the O- visa and the needed  visa extension. (And answering a question: I don't provide any of these services)

Munotlaw

[muzmurray]

10 hours ago, Henry1975 said:

always on a Non "o" and regular work permit.An unexpected situation lead me to overstay and the founds i was used to feed my family.

 

So you could not find 1900 Baht per year for an extension of stay based on marriage? That is about 5 Baht a day, that's all, 5 Baht a day.

 

When you left your previous job, did you claim the unemployment benefit you were entitled to? That alone would have paid for your yearly extensions.

 

Sorry, but I cannot believe that you could not afford so little an amount.

[snowgard]

49 minutes ago, muzmurray said:

 

So you could not find 1900 Baht per year for an extension of stay based on marriage? That is about 5 Baht a day, that's all, 5 Baht a day.

 

When you left your previous job, did you claim the unemployment benefit you were entitled to? That alone would have paid for your yearly extensions.

 

Sorry, but I cannot believe that you could not afford so little an amount.

I believe more him doesn't had the 400.000 Baht in bank.

[Songlaw]

2 hours ago, catman20 said:

living here for so long you should know better i hope they ban you for a very long time, i would if it was up to me. they should make an example of you.

 

May your circumstances be equally as merciful, sooner rather than later. 

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

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[chuang]

Good guys IN bad guys OUT.....

[BritTim]

6 minutes ago, chuang said:

Good guys IN bad guys OUT.....

 

A laudable objective, but it is very difficult to decide which group any particular individual belongs to. This is without considering the fact that few people are all good or all bad, and how good or bad someone is tends to be a subjective judgment. I am guessing that your post was intended to highlight your view that you can tell whether someone is a good or bad person based on whether they overstayed by only 89 days or by 91 days. Personally, I consider this an over-simplistic criterion for deciding someone's overall character.

[jgold]

This is a hard decision. I was in your shoes before in a different country so I know exactly what you are going through, 18 yrs so about the same time. Lucky you this is not America and you might have a slight chance, if you speak Thai a bit bigger chance. 

 

You really have to think your options on this one. What happens if you go back to your country and how can you not have a problem of overstaying again in the future. It is getting much harder for the under 50 crowd to stay here. Vietnam is getting better and lots of the under 50 yrs old people who could not stay here moved there.

 

Best advise here is go to the airport pay the fine and beg beg and beg for mercy. Thais do have a good heart and might not ban you. BUT be prepared to give it all up if they don't. It is a very difficult decision, stay illegally forever or take a chance. 

 

If you speak Thai and have some kind of roots in Thailand they might feel sorry for you and let it slide. I think I would try Don Muang instead of Suvarnabhumi.  Take photos of your family here to show them. 

 

I know someone who can cancel the ban in Pattaya but I always heard it is very expensive. If it fails you can go back to your country work hard to save money to "pay off" your ban

 

[BritTim]

2 minutes ago, jgold said:

This is a hard decision. I was in your shoes before in a different country so I know exactly what you are going through, 18 yrs so about the same time. Lucky you this is not America and you might have a slight chance, if you speak Thai a bit bigger chance. 

 

You really have to think your options on this one. What happens if you go back to your country and how can you not have a problem of overstaying again in the future. It is getting much harder for the under 50 crowd to stay here. Vietnam is getting better and lots of the under 50 yrs old people who could not stay here moved there.

 

Best advise here is go to the airport pay the fine and beg beg and beg for mercy. Thais do have a good heart and might not ban you. BUT be prepared to give it all up if they don't. It is a very difficult decision, stay illegally forever or take a chance. 

 

If you speak Thai and have some kind of roots in Thailand they might feel sorry for you and let it slide. I think I would try Don Muang instead of Suvarnabhumi.  Take photos of your family here to show them. 

 

I know someone who can cancel the ban in Pattaya but I always heard it is very expensive. If it fails you can go back to your country work hard to save money to "pay off" your ban

 

I am in sympathy with much of your post, but not this:

I think I would try Don Muang instead of Suvarnabhumi.

We have evidence from previous offenders that you might get lucky at Suvanabhumi, but have little chance at Don Muang.

[claffey]

4 hours ago, Munotlaw said:

Check in craigslist under "legal". Get in contact with one of this lawyers, which are specialized in such cases. Friend of mine got away with 5 years overstay. Will cost you around 50 - 80000 Baht. You have to leave the country, but don't get blacklisted. You can come back at any time you wishes. 

Munotlaw

So you are advising the OP to pay a bribe and perpetuate even more crimes?

 

He shouldn't have committed the overstay in the first place. However, he has and unless someone has a time machine he can't go back and change what he's done. He was on the breadline and trying to support his family here. Now, he has the chance to improve his family's conditions by getting a job and a Non B. Let's give him some credit and advice that can help him through this serious situation but let's not advise him to break more laws and deal with crooked lawyers. He could end up in prison. 

 

Maybe he could scrape some cash together and bring his family abroad while he 'serves' his ban? At least the family would be with him...

[sniffdog]

Bring pictures of the family, unemployment benefit? Keep em coming!


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[Mansell]

Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

my friend who got banned for a year on a four day overstay didn't expect to get banned. So he ended up in KL with no clothes or computer. Not a fun situation to be in. Good luck on this one. I would take my wife and look very very contrite and sad and apologetic. 

[muzmurray]

12 minutes ago, sniffdog said:

Bring pictures of the family, unemployment benefit? Keep em coming!


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Why is that so funny?

[seancbk]

2 hours ago, muzmurray said:

 

So you could not find 1900 Baht per year for an extension of stay based on marriage? That is about 5 Baht a day, that's all, 5 Baht a day.

 

When you left your previous job, did you claim the unemployment benefit you were entitled to? That alone would have paid for your yearly extensions.

 

Sorry, but I cannot believe that you could not afford so little an amount.

When I left my first job (FYI a non teaching job with a high salary), the company I worked for had not paid my salary for 6 months, I could no longer afford my 40K THB condo (so I also lost my 80K deposit) and for all intents and purposes I was bankrupt.

No one told me there was unemployment benefit here.   I also found out years later that I could have gone to the labour dept. to try and recover the salary I was owed (almost 900,000 THB) but I had no idea at the time, so I walked away broke.

Fortunately I only had to worry about myself (unlike the OP who has a family to support).

Sometimes people are not fully aware of all the options available to them which is why a forum like this is important.

 

 

[muzmurray]

1 minute ago, seancbk said:

When I left my first job (FYI a non teaching job with a high salary), the company I worked for had not paid my salary for 6 months, I could no longer afford my 40K THB condo (so I also lost my 80K deposit) and for all intents and purposes I was bankrupt.

No one told me there was unemployment benefit here.   I also found out years later that I could have gone to the labour dept. to try and recover the salary I was owed (almost 900,000 THB) but I had no idea at the time, so I walked away broke.

Fortunately I only had to worry about myself (unlike the OP who has a family to support).

Sometimes people are not fully aware of all the options available to them which is why a forum like this is important.

 

 

 

After the first months non-payment you should have seen what was going to happen. To wait 6 months before leaving, (with no salary) - sorry, but you have no-one to blame but yourself.

[sniffdog]

I don't think that is called unemployment benefit.


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[muzmurray]

4 minutes ago, sniffdog said:

I don't think that is called unemployment benefit.


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Oh yes it is, paid by the SSO.