Israel's Netanyahu lashes out at Obama over UN vote

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

 

Sure something is wrong. It is called Islamic terrorism and it has been going on for decades. The Wailing Wall is a remnant of what was the most sacred building in the Jewish world and it is the holiest spot in Jewish life.The Palestinians do not want Jews to worship there.

 

I take it those "kids" are soldiers or police. Guards are usually young people in many places                          .

 

It's a significant holy spot with connections to several different religions.  Who don't seem to be able to play together nicely.

[mania]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

 A very unsettling experience to see all these high powered guns...in the hands of kids.

 

Actually in your 2nd pic the only loaded rifle is in the hands of the older person in grey taking the photo with a cell phone

 

All the young girls in green are carrying unloaded weapons & show no signs of having ammo belts on their person

Edited December 27, 2016 by mania

[Ulysses G.]

52 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

It's a significant holy spot with connections to several different religions.  Who don't seem to be able to play together nicely.

 

 

True enough.

[craigt3365]

10 minutes ago, mania said:

 

Actually in your 2nd pic the only loaded rifle is in the hands of the older person in grey taking the photo with a cell phone

 

All the young girls in green are carrying unloaded weapons & show no signs of having ammo belts on their person

Perhaps.  But that's not always the case if you've been there.  Being on the bus with many soldiers carrying their weapons is strange.  To put it mildly.  Only country I've been in where armed soldiers use public buses.

[Ulysses G.]

9 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps.  But that's not always the case if you've been there.  Being on the bus with many soldiers carrying their weapons is strange.  To put it mildly.  Only country I've been in where armed soldiers use public buses.

 

Probably because it is a tiny country that has been under siege since it was created and so many citizens are in the military.

[Pakboong]

On 12/26/2016 at 7:19 AM, craigt3365 said:

I think the ability of only one veto vote to cause a resolution to not pass is a terrible thing.  The UNSC should get rid of this.  Current issue aside.  It makes the UNSC a toothless tiger.

 

P.S. I know little about this settlement issue, just commenting on the use of the veto to stop resolutions from passing.

I thought it was an abstention.

[craigt3365]

30 minutes ago, Pakboong said:

I thought it was an abstention.

Understood.  Just ranting about the use of the veto!

[Morch]

7 hours ago, dexterm said:

>>Trump seems to be leaning toward view not supported by all of Israel's citizens

 

Pedantic. In any pluralistic society of course there will always be diverse views.

 

But at the moment the elected Israel government under Netanyahu, however it was cobbled together, and Trump have a mutual love affair.

 

from the OP..
Israel's prime minister lashed out at President Barack Obama on Saturday, accusing him of a "shameful ambush" at the United Nations over West Bank settlements and saying he is looking forward to working with his "friend" President-elect Donald Trump.

 

We can only gauge whether the majority of Israelis support the policies generated by this love affair in the next Israeli election.

 

You've got to be kidding. So now Israel is a pluralistic society? Strange how most of your post make the effort to portray it as anything but. Any post detailing an Israeli view not entirely matching your take is usually belittled or rejected. My post was in response to this:

 

"Just depends who you regard as a US President's friends...American citizens or Israelis."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/960339-israels-netanyahu-lashes-out-at-obama-over-un-vote/?page=3#comment-11460263

 

So yes, yet another generalization, which exposes your actual views.

 

In the OP bit you quoted the reference is to "friendship" between Netanyahu and Trump. Making it about Americans vs. Israelis is your own addition.

 

Policy regarding the illegal settlements, or even the Israeli-Palestinian conflict  are not the only criteria by which voters in Israel cast their vote. Also, Israel's political system consists of multiple parties, and hence a coalition governments. There are no direct elections for PM. If you wish to play this card, may as well relate how Hamas popularity and the lack of Palestinian elections reflect on the other side.

 

 

[thetruth revealer]

5 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

 

Sure something is wrong. It is called Islamic terrorism and it has been going on for decades. The Wailing Wall is a remnant of what was the most sacred building in the Jewish world and it is the holiest spot in Jewish life.The Palestinians do not want Jews to worship there.

 

I take it those "kids" are soldiers or police. Guards are usually young people in many places                          .

 

Terrorism" originally referred to acts committed by a government, currently it usually refers to the killing of innocent peoplefor political purposes .

 

 

In November 2004, a Secretary-General of the United Nations report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act".

 

So far, who is terrorizing who ?????

 

 

 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, dexterm said:

Yes, a juicy fantasy indeed.

 

But such an action may push the current far right Israeli government to declare unilateral annexation of the West Bank in a one state solution, with Trump bombastically nodding agreement.

 

It's already been proposed
"After the vote [UN Resolution], Israel’s justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, of the far-right Jewish Home said Israel needed “to talk about annexation” of the West Bank."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu

 

Annexation is inevitable anyway and I think it will happen in Trump's term. If all sides cant agree on how to divide all the imponderable cakes (Jerusalem, land, borders, right of return, water resources etc etc) they may as well just share them after 100 years of disputing them.

 

The OP UN resolution may be just a wimpish last gasp for the charade of pretending to seriously negotiate a two state solution.

 

I think a two state solution would have been the only thing to save a predominantly Jewish State. But I am all for people living together peacefully in a secular modern democracy. So let it be.

 

Let Trump and Netanyahu blunder along into a one state solution then. Seems to be the only possibility as settlements expand into every corner of the West Bank leaving no land for a Palestinian state anyway. No let up in sight there, if Trump's new ambassador to Israel has a say in it.

 

And off you go....as expected.

 

The current Israeli government is not all "far right". I know that such facts aren't your forte, but that's how it is. There isn't a anything approaching the required majority, and even on those parties including politicians speaking about it - not all are on board. 

 

Looking back at the many dire predictions you made over years and posts, can't say I place a whole lot of value in them. If one was to take them seriously, things would have come to a head at least a dozen times by now, on whichever front.

 

As said, the last bit in my post was not a possibility, and not a particularly likely one. That you would choose to make the crux of your reply about that, rather than address the more mundane parts is a given, some like drama.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Here's my pic from the wailing wall.  If you need that many guns there, something is wrong.  You can see them in the first pic on the right hand side.  A very unsettling experience to see all these high powered guns...in the hands of kids.

 

 

It is kinda weird the first time one visits Israel. But what your pictures do not show are Palestinian worshipers hurling rocks at Jewish worshipers from their vantage point above the wall (the grounds of the Muslim sacred site), or how the same vantage points were used by Jordanian snipers until 1967. 

 

 

 

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Understood.  Just ranting about the use of the veto!

More on previous US resolution actions with regard to Israeli settlements in line with veto use:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/understanding-unsc-resolution/

CNN answers nine questions about the resolution vote at the UN.

Notable is #3, Will Trump be able to repeal the resolution; #7 Is this the first time an American President has taken action on the Israeli-Palestine confllict in his final days in office; and #8 Is this the first time an American president has declined to use his veto at the Security Council?

[yardrunner]

19 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

The resolution is not just about settlements. It prevents Jews from praying at the Wailing Wall - one of their holiest sites. It stops them from living in the Jewish Quarter - were they have lived for thousands of years.

On top of that Israel has proof that the Obama administration orchestrated the whole thing from behind the scenes. The president is too much of a hypocrite to even stand behind his own plot. Transparent NOT!

Any more conspiracy theories

[Morch]

6 hours ago, thetruth revealer said:

Terrorism" originally referred to acts committed by a government, currently it usually refers to the killing of innocent peoplefor political purposes .

 

 

In November 2004, a Secretary-General of the United Nations report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act".

 

So far, who is terrorizing who ?????

 

 

 

 

Are you trying to imply that there's no Palestinian terrorism?

[Morch]

11 hours ago, mania said:

 

Actually in your 2nd pic the only loaded rifle is in the hands of the older person in grey taking the photo with a cell phone

 

All the young girls in green are carrying unloaded weapons & show no signs of having ammo belts on their person

 

The "older person" in grey is either their commander/instructor or a member of the permanent security in the area. Judging from the yellow strip on the shoulder, the "girls" (well, soldiers) are cadets of one sort or another. Can't tell from the pic if they are intended as an active security detail. Not rare to see IDF units visiting the site. For some units, that's were cadets get they unit pins after training.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Morch

[Scott]

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[ilostmypassword]

Friends don’t let friends drive drunk, and right now Obama and Kerry rightly believe that Israel is driving drunk toward annexing the West Bank and becoming either a bi-national Arab-Jewish state or some Middle Eastern version of 1960s South Africa, where Israel has to systematically deprive large elements of its population of democratic rights to preserve the state’s Jewish character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/bibi-netanyahu-makes-trump-his-chump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

[Kiwiken]

On 12/28/2016 at 1:43 AM, Morch said:

 

Are you trying to imply that there's no Palestinian terrorism?

There is Terrorism on both sides One is Factional Terrorism . That is the Palestinians. The other is State Terrorism where the occupied areas are systematically stripped of theuir rights and lands. Both need to be halted