Russia warns of damaging effect on relations with US following expulsion of diplomats

[rooster59]

Russia warns of damaging effect on relations with US following expulsion of diplomats

 

 

The Kremlin spokesperson has warned of the damaging effects fresh US sanctions on Russia would have on relations between the two countries.

 

Dmitry Peskov said Moscow would retaliate ‘appropriately’ to the expulsion from the US of 35 diplomats following allegations of Russian cyber interference in last month’s US elections.

 

 

“We strongly disagree with any of the ungrounded claims, accusations, that were made in reference to Russia. From our point of view such actions by the current administration in Washington are, unfortunately, a manifestation of unpredictable and, one might even say, aggressive foreign policy,” he said.

 

Among the latest string of sanctions was the closure of two Russian compounds in Maryland and New York in response to US claims of harassment against American diplomats in Moscow. The compounds to close are used for Russian intelligence gathering.

 

But, with US President Barack Obama’s administration coming to an end in three weeks, Peskov expressed doubt over how effective the measures are likely to be.

 

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-12-31

 

[canuckamuck]

At least Obama didn't draw a line in the sand. That would have really shook things up. 

[craigt3365]

Perhaps the relations would be better if they hadn't hacked computers and put the info on the internet?? LOL

 

Good for Obama to draw this line in the sand.  Time action was taken.

[johna]

Obama desperate to be remembered as something other than the first black President of the USA

 

Calling the moves a “provocation”, the Russian president said he would not “stoop to the level of irresponsible diplomacy”.

 

Donald Trump praises 'great move' by Vladimir Putin for not ordering tit-for-tat expulsions

Edited December 31, 2016 by johna

[craigt3365]

Just now, johna said:

Obama desperate to be remembered as something other than the first black President of the USA

 

Calling the moves a “provocation”, the Russian president said he would not “stoop to the level of irresponsible

 

diplomacy”.Donald Trump praises 'great move' by Vladimir Putin for not ordering tit-for-tat expulsions

Kinda hard for Russia to fight back on this one.  They were caught red handed! LOL

 

Obama is doing the right thing as leader of a nation that's been hacked.  Some pretty serious stuff the new president doesn't seem to want to admit.  For obvious reasons....

[boomerangutang]

        You'll notice; every time a large entity (government, business, religion, etc) gets accused of doing bad things, their top banana always says it's untrue.  When I hear that, I think; "how does the top banana know everything that everyone in their organization is doing?"

 

       What the top dick should say is: "We don't condone illegal activity in our organization. We will conduct a thorough investigation by non-affiliated experts.  If malfeasance is found, then those responsible will be punished."

 

Uh Huh, and there are also no pirated items in Russia.

 

       It's like the Iranian president declaring, several years ago, "there are no homosexual Iranians."  Or the Burmese government saying there are no HIV infected Burmese.    .....how can they be so sure?    Nutzoid.

[Gary A]

Fortunately the Russians are smart enough not to get upset by a lame duck president and his stupid reactions. I seem to recall that sometime back the US was caught spying on the UK and Germany. That certainly went quiet quickly.

[Grubster]

Yes Dymitry all the sanctions against your country will have a profound effect on your country, so you should aim any warnings at your leadership and people,  I think the free world has little fear of your possible retaliations. The west should have little problem in crushing your cyber intel should they see fit. No worries.      Cheers

[craigt3365]

44 minutes ago, Gary A said:

Fortunately the Russians are smart enough not to get upset by a lame duck president and his stupid reactions. I seem to recall that sometime back the US was caught spying on the UK and Germany. That certainly went quiet quickly.

So the leader of a country trying to protect their country's security is stupid?  Really? LOL

 

Did the US publish data from the spying on the UK and Germany on the internet?  With the possible intention of trying to influence an election?

[craigt3365]

10 minutes ago, Grubster said:

Yes Dymitry all the sanctions against your country will have a profound effect on your country, so you should aim any warnings at your leadership and people,  I think the free world has little fear of your possible retaliations. The west should have little problem in crushing your cyber intel should they see fit. No worries.      Cheers

From what I've read, this is just round one.  They said more was going to happen before Obama leaves office. 

[rice555]

23 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

So the leader of a country trying to protect their country's security is stupid?  Really? LOL

 

Did the US publish data from the spying on the UK and Germany on the internet?  With the possible intention of trying to influence an election?

The dnc got hacked, not the government! And it turned that they were back stabbers, they didn't

represent the donkey, they represented a fat ass.

All hacking of anybody's @ is wrong, but stop pretending this was "National Security" breach.

rice555    a Californa born dem. 

[Caps]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

So the leader of a country trying to protect their country's security is stupid?  Really? LOL

 

Did the US publish data from the spying on the UK and Germany on the internet?  With the possible intention of trying to influence an election?

They might not have published it...but it should not have been done anyway.  Especially to so called Allies.

Unless of course the US thinks its above all that?

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, rice555 said:

The dnc got hacked, not the government! And it turned that they were back stabbers, they didn't

represent the donkey, they represented a fat ass.

All hacking of anybody's @ is wrong, but stop pretending this was "National Security" breach.

rice555    a Californa born dem. 

The government has been hacked.  Along with many private organizations.  This isn't just about the DNC hack, though it seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back.  And for good reasond.

 

You need to do some research before posting.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29817644

Quote

White House computer network 'hacked'

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_by_Russia#Cyberattacks

 

[rice555]

So the WH got hacked in 2015, nice response time, oh, bummer,

the WH is really on top of things. Does NSA have a copy of this

post??

rice555

 

[IAMHERE]

The US has done more than hack computers to affect elections in other countries. Pot, Kettle, Black: are the words that come to mind.

[craigt3365]

16 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

The US has done more than hack computers to affect elections in other countries. Pot, Kettle, Black: are the words that come to mind.

True.  But they've never done something like this.  Publishing data and trying to influence an election in a major Western nation.  This was over the top.

[elgordo38]

Little boys being little boys to see who can hit the wall with his golden arc from 5 feet away. Guess they will all have to back up and try from a further distance. 

[boomerangutang]

Wait until Trump gets wind of what the Chinese are doing in regard to cyber-spying. He'll shit little green apples.

[dunroaming]

Trump is so out of his depth and he isn't even in the big chair yet.  He has been a figure of fun in the western world (just look at all the cartoons from around the world) but now it is no joke at all.  Brace yourselves America!

 

Has anyone noticed how Trump has filled his government with military figures and billionaires?  That is straight out of the Middle East text book!  All they need now is the headgear to go with it!

Edited December 31, 2016 by dunroaming

[nonghan]

9 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

So the leader of a country trying to protect their country's security is stupid?  Really? LOL

 

Did the US publish data from the spying on the UK and Germany on the internet?  With the possible intention of trying to influence an election?

Biased as ever, everything that the US does is acceptable, everything that Russia does is unacceptable. Unfortunately the move by Obama will have a negative effect on the US, that's not so clever is it. US propaganda plugs day after day on TV must be a lucrative profession for those who have time on their hands.

Mike Lewis

[Opl]

"Russia Sanctions: What Will Congress Do? Are enough Republicans in Congress interested in constraining Trump's freedom of action on Russia, and would an outgoing Obama administration be willing to use its last "lame duck" days in office to sign such legislation?  "Nikolas K. Gvosdev December 31, 2016

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/russia-sanctions-what-will-congress-do-18910

(..) The challenge is now whether Republicans in the Congress who are skeptical both of Russia's intentions and of the commitment of Trump's announced national security team to be tough on Putin will join with Democrats and the outgoing administration to lock in Russia sanctions by legislative action, making it far more difficult for Trump to lift them by executive fiat. (..)"

Edited December 31, 2016 by Opl

[boomerangutang]

13 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Trump is so out of his depth and he isn't even in the big chair yet.  He has been a figure of fun in the western world (just look at all the cartoons from around the world) but now it is no joke at all.  Brace yourselves America!

Has anyone noticed how Trump has filled his government with military figures and billionaires?  That is straight out of the Middle East text book!  All they need now is the headgear to go with it!

 

Good post.

Trump's 19 picks have worth = $14 billion, and he still has 3 top positions for fill.

Four are Goldman Sach's top swinging dicks.

Already, some of his former rabid fans are pissed off and calling him unprintable names.

He's avoiding talking to the press (hasn't met them since June) because even he knows everything he says is ridiculous BS.   

 

[onthesoi]

14 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

True.  But they've never done something like this.  Publishing data and trying to influence an election in a major Western nation.  This was over the top.

 

Is it true? Or have they never done anything like that? Or is it they never did it in western nations<.cos nations of other compass points don't matter> ?

 

You're tying yourself in knots trying to tow the propaganda line while juggling  hypocrisy  & double standards?  

[craigt3365]

10 hours ago, nonghan said:

Biased as ever, everything that the US does is acceptable, everything that Russia does is unacceptable. Unfortunately the move by Obama will have a negative effect on the US, that's not so clever is it. US propaganda plugs day after day on TV must be a lucrative profession for those who have time on their hands.

Mike Lewis

When did I ever say everything the US does is acceptable and everything that Russia does in unacceptable?  Please, show me that post.  Otherwise, don't say such things.

 

Luckily, many in the US don't think like you.  They understand this is a serious issue and isn't about politics.  Again, it's called national security.

[craigt3365]

51 minutes ago, onthesoi said:

 

Is it true? Or have they never done anything like that? Or is it they never did it in western nations<.cos nations of other compass points don't matter> ?

 

You're tying yourself in knots trying to tow the propaganda line while juggling  hypocrisy  & double standards?  

Guaranteed the US has meddled in other country's politics before.  But you need to show me where the US has hacked a major industrial nations servers and put the info up on the internet for all to see.  Timed perfectly to have a potential impact on an upcoming eleciton.  No hypicrisy, no double standards.  A link showing this would be fine.

 

Russia weaponized hacked information.  And seems ready to do so in other countries soon.  Read up on Germany's concerns. 

[jaidam]

18 minutes ago, Syduan said:

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Obama is an Illuminati puppet pushing for war. There is going to be a huge false flag disaster soon.

Is there any legal mechanism to remove Obama from office immediately? His prolonged hissy-fit is having international repurcussions that might endanger the planet. Its gone way beyond a joke now. He is confusing his own fortunes and ego of that of the USA, which is absurd. He needs to be detained and restrained before doing even more damage. We are going to see ballistic missiles getting tossed around if he doesn't start behaving himself.

 

[rabas]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

When did I ever say everything the US does is acceptable and everything that Russia does in unacceptable?  Please, show me that post.  Otherwise, don't say such things.

 

Luckily, many in the US don't think like you.  They understand this is a serious issue and isn't about politics.  Again, it's called national security.

Acceptable may not be the right word. If US cyber operations are done for the security and well being of US citizens and the free world in general, that is OK by me.

 

A  while ago, when John Clapper was asked about hacking on the US, he answered a bit indignantly, "Well, we're not so bad at this stuff ourselves you know."    That's always made me wonder how much of the stolen information is bogus, designed to render hacked material unreliable?

 

One time, a batch of specialized electronic chips were stolen from an Intel warehouse, and eventually traced thru Soviet agents. A year or so later Intel announced the chips were stored because a subtle defect had made them unreliable. The Soviets had used the chips in their nuclear warheads. Som nam na.

[boomerangutang]

5 hours ago, jaidam said:

Is there any legal mechanism to remove Obama from office immediately? His prolonged hissy-fit is having international repurcussions that might endanger the planet. Its gone way beyond a joke now. He is confusing his own fortunes and ego of that of the USA, which is absurd. He needs to be detained and restrained before doing even more damage. We are going to see ballistic missiles getting tossed around if he doesn't start behaving himself.

 

        Are you confusing Obama with Osama?  I've watched Obama for over a decade, and he's one of the most decent, deep-thinking, caring, intelligent men I've seen.   Jaidam, ....maybe too much MSG in your rice water cereal?

 

     If you want to spook people about impending doom and gloom, Trump is the one to reference. Mark my words.

[Opl]

On ‎31‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 11:56 AM, IAMHERE said:

The US has done more than hack computers to affect elections in other countries. Pot, Kettle, Black: are the words that come to mind.

 

The Kremlin Goes Global: From Soft Power to the Weaponization of Information
Vladimir Putin’s first public reference to soft power came in a 2012 article called “Russia and the Changing World,” in which he described it as “a matrix of tools and methods to reach foreign policy goals without the use of arms but by exerting information and other levers of influence.  • The Kremlin exploits the idea of freedom of information to inject disinformation into society. The effect is not to persuade (as in classic public diplomacy) or earn credibility but to sow confusion via conspiracy theories and proliferate falsehoods.

To learn more about the Kremlin Toolkit : page 12 -> 14  of The  Institute of Modern Russia (IMR)'s  report : The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money

 

http://www.interpretermag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/The_Menace_of_Unreality_Final.pdf

 

Edited January 1, 2017 by Opl

[craigt3365]

11 hours ago, Opl said:

 

The Kremlin Goes Global: From Soft Power to the Weaponization of Information
Vladimir Putin’s first public reference to soft power came in a 2012 article called “Russia and the Changing World,” in which he described it as “a matrix of tools and methods to reach foreign policy goals without the use of arms but by exerting information and other levers of influence.  • The Kremlin exploits the idea of freedom of information to inject disinformation into society. The effect is not to persuade (as in classic public diplomacy) or earn credibility but to sow confusion via conspiracy theories and proliferate falsehoods.

To learn more about the Kremlin Toolkit : page 12 -> 14  of The  Institute of Modern Russia (IMR)'s  report : The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money

 

http://www.interpretermag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/The_Menace_of_Unreality_Final.pdf

 

It will be interesting to see if this "weaponization" will happen in the upcoming European elections.  I've read comments from Merkel about her concerns.  Scary stuff.