4 hours ago, robblok said:

You mean people who had a peaceful protest but were attacked by the secret army of the goverment.. yea.. of course the police would not protect them because that would work against their armed wing. 

 

No many people cheered after he said so.. he was ushered away because Tida was smart enough to know what a bad press it was. It still haunts them now. You think its because they disapproved.. i think because they knew it could be used against them. Again.. different opinion.

 

Lets agree we just see the things different.. you see them in a red light and I see them in a yellow light. 

 

We can't agree so what chance has reconciliation because we have no real stakes here.. but others have.. monetary too.

 

I said it often as long as politics offers such financial rewards (corruption) every side will resort to violence to get in power.

 

That is why I am always for tough corruption laws.. if there is no money to be made then there will be peace.  

I am not particularly pro-red, I am pro-democracy. Absolutely no problem for me if elections could have happened in July and the Dems would have won it.

 

And I am staggered that protesters who who violently assault government buildings, block elections by violent means (which means preventing people to choose their government), threaten and force media, hunt and threaten the PM, in order to establish a non-elected government, etc... can be considered as normal PEACEFUL protesters. Yes, obviously, we diverge on this particular point.

37 minutes ago, candide said:

I am not particularly pro-red, I am pro-democracy. Absolutely no problem for me if elections could have happened in July and the Dems would have won it.

 

And I am staggered that protesters who who violently assault government buildings, block elections by violent means (which means preventing people to choose their government), threaten and force media, hunt and threaten the PM, in order to establish a non-elected government, etc... can be considered as normal PEACEFUL protesters. Yes, obviously, we diverge on this particular point.

 

might be time for you to go research exactly what democracy is, I will give you a head start, it isn't just an election, there are many other things that need to be in place for it to function - things that Thailand has never had and therefore has never actually had a working functioning democracy regardless of having many elections

 

Thailand was in a relentless power grab cycle because those that have the power are at the trough enriching themselves

On 11/01/2017 at 5:01 PM, Eric Loh said:

 

The last asset declaration has Ahbisit 45 M, Suthep 95 M, Prayut. 128M and Jatuporn 0.8 M. Pretty lop sided amount of MONEY.

And how did a "political activist" accumulate that declared level of assets. Oh that's right, people "gave" it to him, he's not REALLY a paid propagandist and agitator.

Edited January 12, 20179 yr by halloween

43 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

might be time for you to go research exactly what democracy is, I will give you a head start, it isn't just an election, there are many other things that need to be in place for it to function - things that Thailand has never had and therefore has never actually had a working functioning democracy regardless of having many elections

 

Thailand was in a relentless power grab cycle because those that have the power are at the trough enriching themselves

I don't object that democracy is not only election, and that Thailand's democracy has poorly scored on several dimensions. What I don't see is how unelected forms of government in Thailand have been better.

 

The previous elected governments in Thailand were far from perfect,  and from we can experience in other countries. They could at least be voted out.

What I don't understand is how the current government, which on top of not being elected, scores much worse on the other democratic dimensions (you know: transparency, accountability, freedom of opinion, freedom of press, nepotism, cryonism, and probably corruption, can be considered as more democratic or better than the previous imperfect democracy.

Same for the new constitution, which will give more power to reciprocally-appointed or self-appointed politicians, than to elected politicians (you know the ones that can be chosen and thrown out by citizen). I don't see why giving so much power to people who are only accountable to themselves, can improve democracy.

4 hours ago, candide said:

I don't object that democracy is not only election, and that Thailand's democracy has poorly scored on several dimensions. What I don't see is how unelected forms of government in Thailand have been better.

 

The previous elected governments in Thailand were far from perfect,  and from we can experience in other countries. They could at least be voted out.

What I don't understand is how the current government, which on top of not being elected, scores much worse on the other democratic dimensions (you know: transparency, accountability, freedom of opinion, freedom of press, nepotism, cryonism, and probably corruption, can be considered as more democratic or better than the previous imperfect democracy.

Same for the new constitution, which will give more power to reciprocally-appointed or self-appointed politicians, than to elected politicians (you know the ones that can be chosen and thrown out by citizen). I don't see why giving so much power to people who are only accountable to themselves, can improve democracy.

Unelected forms of government are not better but they are not worse either. Until the PTP plays by the real democratic rules they are as bad as a military government and then I select the military government as less worse. You seem to think that just voting makes it legit. I and others say.. they only vote but uphold no other parts of a democracy so they are on par with a junta. 

 

I would have supported a true democracy but not the sham that is the PTP (unelected leader leading the party from abroad, people voting for each-other, large off books budget (same size as total health budget) for rice program without any checks and later found to be fraudulent,  secret voting sessions after opposition was send home, suddenly appearing of a new name on an amnesty without going through the proper procedure, and so on and so on)

 

SO yea we differ your saying just because they vote they are better and I am saying this is not the case. 

On 1/11/2017 at 0:22 PM, Eric Loh said:

 

Jatuporn's demeanour have got him into trouble with the law and a long list of charges and convictions. He has seen the back of the cell more than once and now on bail. Suthep has yet even attend court citing that he was busy with the shutdown. Now that murder case was dropped. Issara, he is untouchable. You can label them thugs but treated by the judiciary differently depending on the side you affiliate yourself. Agree?  

 

No don't agree. You claim inbalance, try to think more broadly. 

 

He's in trouble with the law because of his demeanor? So that's why he's been charged numerous times, bad demeanor, never mind his actions.

 

By the way, how's your minder? 

43 minutes ago, robblok said:

Unelected forms of government are not better but they are not worse either. Until the PTP plays by the real democratic rules they are as bad as a military government and then I select the military government as less worse. You seem to think that just voting makes it legit. I and others say.. they only vote but uphold no other parts of a democracy so they are on par with a junta. 

 

I would have supported a true democracy but not the sham that is the PTP (unelected leader leading the party from abroad, people voting for each-other, large off books budget (same size as total health budget) for rice program without any checks and later found to be fraudulent,  secret voting sessions after opposition was send home, suddenly appearing of a new name on an amnesty without going through the proper procedure, and so on and so on)

 

SO yea we differ your saying just because they vote they are better and I am saying this is not the case. 

agree 100%

 

it is also worth noting that PTP have been in office more term years than any other recent government  and have demonstrated they have no interest in combating corruption, mainly because they are corrupt themselves.

 

The current interim government have demonstrated a willingness to tackle the problem but in my opinion they have not gone far enough, but lets make no mistake - the problem is massive and there is no easy fix

 

If the next elected government toe the line and actually act like a government then they have nothing to fear and will carry on unhindered, I am happy that there are agencies and mechanisms now in place that cannot be easily removed or abused like before and that will go some way to keeping them in line - it is not ideal but hey' if it works then the result can only be good for country and people

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Jatuporn's demeanour have got him into trouble with the law and a long list of charges and convictions. He has seen the back of the cell more than once and now on bail. Suthep has yet even attend court citing that he was busy with the shutdown. Now that murder case was dropped. Issara, he is untouchable. You can label them thugs but treated by the judiciary differently depending on the side you affiliate yourself. Agree?  

 

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

No don't agree. You claim inbalance, try to think more broadly. 

 

He's in trouble with the law because of his demeanor? So that's why he's been charged numerous times, bad demeanor, never mind his actions.

 

By the way, how's your minder? 

in the west activists who spread hate and threaten violence are arrested and the organisations they represent are proscribed and given the current climate I would expect things to tighten, people on here keep going on about free speech - it is a myth, the redshirt movement would be outlawed in the west because they are nothing short of a terrorist organisation willing to kill and murder to further their cause, it is also shocking that they are allowed to have  24hr TV  and radio stations spewing out their hate and propaganda an agenda that has only one goal - to hold the power and feed from the corruption trough and enrich themselves and that includes their defacto leader Thaksin and their political wing PTP

42 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

No don't agree. You claim inbalance, try to think more broadly. 

 

He's in trouble with the law because of his demeanor? So that's why he's been charged numerous times, bad demeanor, never mind his actions.

 

By the way, how's your minder? 

 

Why he charged? Simple. Political persecution. You got to ask why Suthep has not been convicted and jailed for worse action. Again simple. He was on the military pay-roll.

 

Jatuporn was a pro-democracy activist long before TRT was formed and has always been a thorn to the elites and their military henchman since 1992 when fellow pro-democracy activists demonstrated that result on the resignation of another military PM Suchinda. He is a threat and feared by the elites and therefore persecuted.

 

By the way, how is your mind today.

28 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Why he charged? Simple. Political persecution. You got to ask why Suthep has not been convicted and jailed for worse action. Again simple. He was on the military pay-roll.

 

Jatuporn was a pro-democracy activist long before TRT was formed and has always been a thorn to the elites and their military henchman since 1992 when fellow pro-democracy activists demonstrated that result on the resignation of another military PM Suchinda. He is a threat and feared by the elites and therefore persecuted.

 

By the way, how is your mind today.

pro democracy is the label they give it - doesn't mean that that is in fact what it is, just as in the name UUD, they throw the word around and yet their actions are far from democratic - anyone with an ounce of sense can see right through it

On 12/01/2017 at 8:09 AM, robblok said:

Obviously you have no grasp of what happened in Bangkok otherwise you knew that the guy called himself Isarn Rambo and his name is Koh Tee (or something like that, i gave a direct link to an article where he is named). So you who pretend to know it all knows only a little bit. I live in BKK near Bangyai that borders near Chang Watanna and I have office workers as friends who were in the peaceful protests that were harrassed and attacked every night by Isarn Rambo (Ko tee) and the police (controlled by YL) did nothing. 

 

[ "This is already a war, but so far it is an unarmed war," said Ko Tee. "If there is a coup, or the election doesn't happen, then it definitely becomes an armed war." [/quote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10606562/Thai-red-shirts-leader-says-Its-time-to-get-rid-of-the-elite.html

 

 

 

http://prachatai.org/english/node/3934

 

Again if not paying taxes was the only problem.. but there are many more court cases pending in witch others have been sentenced to long jailterms. We are talking about forcing a bank to hand out loans that were not commercial viable and resulted in billions of losses (was in the news before I guess you missed that or your red glasses blocked it out)

http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-news/671132/bankers-get-18-years-in-prison-no-thaksin-ruling-until-return-to-thailand

RobBlok

You said

Obviously you have no grasp of what happened in Bangkok

 

Wrong again mate, but first unlike you I believe there are two sides to a story and I have access to research that you obviously do not. Do you or are you not able to check the history of the past within Thailand try 1936 onwards and what happens when someone was on route back to Thailand?

 

in 2010 October and November nearly every day i had to pass the mob as you call them on route to the visa office, if they where blocking the way they moved for us and I saw no violence just people protesting as they can do in a free world.

 

But in 14 those in yellow even pushed me to pass and not just once, arrogant self appointed scum. I Had to challenge one as he pushed me in the back for no reason,  just like the colour of his shirt a coward. at the time I was walking into a coffee shop and not in their way he ran from the march to do it. Just because I was a Farang he said. Thais in yellow have no balls

 

I am not Thai but love your country and by the looks of things more than you do, You will not move forward until you learn to forgive and forget. Yellow Red Black you are all Thai and this is the problem not equal in one of those colours eyes. There lye's Thailands biggest problem.

 

By a VPN mate and read the truth then just believe 50% of what you read then if you can research back in time and ask why so many Coups and the answer is Power and money for the few and that looks like your lot

 

I respect your view which you are entitled to, but please do not try to blame one side only as I said there are two sides to a story

 

In ending this I want you to know I sat with an elderly Thai man of repute the other day and he was shocked just how much I did know about Thailand.

 

Thailand should be at the standard of Europe and would be if only those with power had an education.

 

I long for the day I can say I love Thailand again.

1 hour ago, smedly said:

pro democracy is the label they give it - doesn't mean that that is in fact what it is, just as in the name UUD, they throw the word around and yet their actions are far from democratic - anyone with an ounce of sense can see right through it

 

Well let's see the other groups who labeled themselves as 'democracy' and judge for ourselves if their actions are democratic or otherwise.

 

PAD, People's Alliance for Democracy - closely allied with the elites and created situations for a military coup and a judiciary coup.

 

PDRC, People's Democracy Reform Committee - blocked election and invited a military coup.

 

UDD, United Front for Democracy Against Dictator - pressure group protesting against restriction of liberty and seeking election.

 

Anyone with an ounce of sense will be able to judge which group is pro-democracy. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

RobBlok

You said

Obviously you have no grasp of what happened in Bangkok

 

Wrong again mate, but first unlike you I believe there are two sides to a story and I have access to research that you obviously do not. Do you or are you not able to check the history of the past within Thailand try 1936 onwards and what happens when someone was on route back to Thailand?

 

in 2010 October and November nearly every day i had to pass the mob as you call them on route to the visa office, if they where blocking the way they moved for us and I saw no violence just people protesting as they can do in a free world.

 

But in 14 those in yellow even pushed me to pass and not just once, arrogant self appointed scum. I Had to challenge one as he pushed me in the back for no reason,  just like the colour of his shirt a coward. at the time I was walking into a coffee shop and not in their way he ran from the march to do it. Just because I was a Farang he said. Thais in yellow have no balls

 

I am not Thai but love your country and by the looks of things more than you do, You will not move forward until you learn to forgive and forget. Yellow Red Black you are all Thai and this is the problem not equal in one of those colours eyes. There lye's Thailands biggest problem.

 

By a VPN mate and read the truth then just believe 50% of what you read then if you can research back in time and ask why so many Coups and the answer is Power and money for the few and that looks like your lot

 

I respect your view which you are entitled to, but please do not try to blame one side only as I said there are two sides to a story

 

In ending this I want you to know I sat with an elderly Thai man of repute the other day and he was shocked just how much I did know about Thailand.

 

Thailand should be at the standard of Europe and would be if only those with power had an education.

 

I long for the day I can say I love Thailand again.

A VPN.. i got one years ago.. I just don't read your propaganda sites I was here during the Thaksin years and that is when my dislike for the reds started, and of course the flooding that was so badly handled by YL that hit me hard. That is what put the seed of dislike for the whole PTP and incarnations and it never went away.

 

I had different things happen with the reds not attacking people and the pics also prove how violent they were back in 2010. Now the yellows who ousted YL rightfully i mingled with them far nicer people a few steps up from the red people. The yellows i met were normal people office workers and so on taxpayers unlike the red farmers who never pay tax. It was a world of difference and it hurt me to see how they were bombed and shot by the reds. 

 

The biggest problem is corruption as long as money can be made in politics both sides will resort to violence to get there. 

29 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Well let's see the other groups who labeled themselves as 'democracy' and judge for ourselves if their actions are democratic or otherwise.

 

PAD, People's Alliance for Democracy - closely allied with the elites and created situations for a military coup and a judiciary coup.

 

PDRC, People's Democracy Reform Committee - blocked election and invited a military coup.

 

UDD, United Front for Democracy Against Dictator - pressure group protesting against restriction of liberty and seeking election.

 

Anyone with an ounce of sense will be able to judge which group is pro-democracy. 

 

 

 

UDD you mean the guys who are the armed wing of the PTP even though they deny it.. the ones that killed 4 kids .. these guys.. yes everyone can see who is pro democracy. 

3 hours ago, smedly said:

 

in the west activists who spread hate and threaten violence are arrested and the organisations they represent are proscribed and given the current climate I would expect things to tighten, people on here keep going on about free speech - it is a myth, the redshirt movement would be outlawed in the west because they are nothing short of a terrorist organisation willing to kill and murder to further their cause, it is also shocking that they are allowed to have  24hr TV  and radio stations spewing out their hate and propaganda an agenda that has only one goal - to hold the power and feed from the corruption trough and enrich themselves and that includes their defacto leader Thaksin and their political wing PTP

In the west there would be no red shirts because because there would be first no yellow shirts.

In the west nobody would be allowed to block elections, threaten media, threaten and assault governments, and stir coups, and make coups.

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Why he charged? Simple. Political persecution. You got to ask why Suthep has not been convicted and jailed for worse action. Again simple. He was on the military pay-roll.

 

Jatuporn was a pro-democracy activist long before TRT was formed and has always been a thorn to the elites and their military henchman since 1992 when fellow pro-democracy activists demonstrated that result on the resignation of another military PM Suchinda. He is a threat and feared by the elites and therefore persecuted.

 

By the way, how is your mind today.

 

 

" You got to ask why Suthep has not been convicted and jailed for worse action. Again simple. He was on the military pay-roll. "

 

 What evidence do you have for say 'on the military payroll'? And by the way I suggest many folks here have some level of gratitude for suthep's actions to force the non-democratic shin machine* off the podium, but on the other hand also recognize that suthep has some serious baggage and would not want him involved in any future government. (* and please don't insult folks intelligence by your usual items like 'but they won every election with a landslide'.)

 

I and many others here have said a million times and I say it again, all law breakers should be charged, tried and if guilty punished.

 

You just try to divert attention from your idol boy who so sadly claims no wealth but lives in some luxury with a wealth of valuable buddhist and other artifacts. He says 'I didn't buy them, people just give me things'.

 

If you believe that your more naive than I thought.

 

Whether he was active as a democracy activist in the suchinda days needs some evidence el.  Actually I was living in Bkk not from where all the suchinda etc., action took place and I followed it very closely, I don't recall jatuporn ever being mentioned.

 

But whatever jatuporn did in that era is not relevant to the more recent past, in fact his actions under the udd and red banners seriously break all the vital, critical elements of building and maintaining democracy.  

 

Let's also remember that abhisit was a legitimate PM* and was working towards better things for Thailand but the red / udd machine ignored all that to fulfill the orders of their absconded convicted paymaster, a man with ill intent and no morals who had way too much power (nasty power) from money and nothing more. The udd / red actions just aimed to get abhisit out no matter how including much violence, in pattaya (udd / red people storming a regional confernece and pulled a man out of abhisit's car believing it was abhisit but was actually a driver and they beat the man close to death (democracy at work eh el). Abhisit agreed to an election and the udd / reds agreed but of course the absconded convicted paymaster, a man with ill intent and no morals who had way too much power from money and no legitimate power, canned it within the day.

 

Throwing blood all over the place and on the gates of abhisits' house is hardly legitimate intelligent debate. And jatuporn was in the front line rebel rousing all of that - hardly what anybody could describe at democracy at work.    (*please don't repeat the wrong claims that 'but he wasn't elected', abhisit became the pm should old well documented laws, and you know it.)

 

If jatuporn is a serious long-term democracy activist how come he became leader of the udd / reds with no election. That alone cancels / destroys any credibility as a serious or any form of democracy advocate.

 

Oh, by the way el, yes nuttawutt and others stood on stage many times and roused enticed the crowd to burn down the city. Are you claiming that jatuporn was never on the same stage and supporting the 'burn the city' rhetoric?  If he is /was a serious long-term democarcy advocate he broke all the rules...

Edited January 13, 20179 yr by scorecard

4 hours ago, robblok said:

 

SO yea we differ your saying just because they vote they are better and I am saying this is not the case. 

Please read my post, this is not what I wrote.

What I wrote is that they are not only unelected (and cannot be voted out), but worse on the other important dimensions of democracy.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

 

 

 

Anyone with an ounce of sense will be able to judge which group is pro-democracy. 

 

 

I already know the answer and it is abundantly clear you don't and never will

44 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

UDD you mean the guys who are the armed wing of the PTP even though they deny it.. the ones that killed 4 kids .. these guys.. yes everyone can see who is pro democracy. 

 

That old chestnut of children being killed never far from your repetitive diatribe. First, the 3 men accused in the Trat bombing have been acquitted and found not guilty in January 2016. As for the other children killed by bombs at the PDRC camps, none have been arrested. The police tried to enter the PDRC Lumpini site to search for bomb evidence but were forcefully denied. Could be anyone, even the PDRC. 

17 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

" You got to ask why Suthep has not been convicted and jailed for worse action. Again simple. He was on the military pay-roll. "

 

 What evidence do you have for say 'on the military payroll'? And by the way I suggest many folks here have some level of gratitude for suthep's actions to force the non-democratic shin machine* off the podium, but on the other hand also recognize that suthep has some serious baggage and would not want him involved in any future government. (* and please don't insult folks intelligence by your usual items like 'but they won every election with a landslide'.)

 

I and many others here have said a million times and I say it again, all law breakers should be charged, tried and if guilty punished.

 

You just try to divert attention from your idol boy who so sadly claims no wealth but lives in some luxury with a wealth of valuable buddhist and other artifacts. He says 'I didn't buy them, people just give me things'.

 

If you believe that your more naive than I thought.

 

Whether he was active as a democracy activist in the suchinda days needs some evidence el.  Actually I was living in Bkk not from where all the suchinda etc., action took place and I followed it very closely, I don't recall jatuporn ever being mentioned.

 

But whatever jatuporn did in that era is not relevant to the more recent past, in fact his actions under the udd and red banners seriously break all the vital, critical elements of building and maintaining democracy.  

 

Let's also remember that abhisit was a legitimate PM* and was working towards better things for Thailand but the red / udd machine ignored all that to fulfill the orders of their absconded convicted paymaster, a man with ill intent and no morals who had way too much power (nasty power) from money and nothing more. The udd / red actions just aimed to get abhisit out no matter how including much violence, in pattaya (udd / red people storming a regional confernece and pulled a man out of abhisit's car believing it was abhisit but was actually a driver and they beat the man close to death (democracy at work eh el). Abhisit agreed to an election and the udd / reds agreed but of course the absconded convicted paymaster, a man with ill intent and no morals who had way too much power from money and no legitimate power, canned it within the day.

 

Throwing blood all over the place and on the gates of abhisits' house is hardly legitimate intelligent debate. And jatuporn was in the front line rebel rousing all of that - hardly what anybody could describe at democracy at work.    (*please don't repeat the wrong claims that 'but he wasn't elected', abhisit became the pm should old well documented laws, and you know it.)

 

If jatuporn is a serious long-term democracy activist how come he became leader of the udd / reds with no election. That alone cancels / destroys any credibility as a serious or any form of democracy advocate.

you are wasting your time, the person you are trying to convince is not just an ordinary farang posting an opinion on a message forum - I suspect he is an active member of the Thaksin inner circle and has been posting these propaganda lies on here for a considerable time 

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

That old chestnut of children being killed never far from your repetitive diatribe. First, the 3 men accused in the Trat bombing have been acquitted and found not guilty in January 2016. As for the other children killed by bombs at the PDRC camps, none have been arrested. The police tried to enter the PDRC Lumpini site to search for bomb evidence but were forcefully denied. Could be anyone, even the PDRC. 

yes blame anyone except your cherished red terrorists

 

everyone here with a functioning brain knows exactly who was responsible for this and many other shootings - murder - grenade attacks and bombings, only you and a couple of your mates seem to think otherwise

I can see posters here struggling to defend and opt the easy way out by calling others that don't accept their opinion as naive, out of their mind and other offensive innuendo. Let's agree that we don't have any agreement less the name calling. 

26 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are wasting your time, the person you are trying to convince is not just an ordinary farang posting an opinion on a message forum - I suspect he is an active member of the Thaksin inner circle and has been posting these propaganda lies on here for a considerable time 

Smedly, you are surely a member of the Junta's inner circle! Ah! Ah!

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I can see posters here struggling to defend and opt the easy way out by calling others that don't accept their opinion as naive, out of their mind and other offensive innuendo. Let's agree that we don't have any agreement less the name calling. 

you can interpret generalities as you like nobody directly called you any names or pointed insults directly at you - although I am more than pleased with your interpretation and summations - you are very welcome  

1 hour ago, smedly said:

you are wasting your time, the person you are trying to convince is not just an ordinary farang posting an opinion on a message forum - I suspect he is an active member of the Thaksin inner circle and has been posting these propaganda lies on here for a considerable time 

 

Well said, totally agree, three times, and often his posts are way less than truthful.

' you are wasting your time, the person you are trying to convince is not just an ordinary farang posting an opinion on a message forum - I suspect he is an active member of the Thaksin inner circle and has been posting these propaganda lies on here for a considerable time '

 

Why do you assume, with a Chinese surname, that he is a Farang?

36 minutes ago, dru2 said:

' you are wasting your time, the person you are trying to convince is not just an ordinary farang posting an opinion on a message forum - I suspect he is an active member of the Thaksin inner circle and has been posting these propaganda lies on here for a considerable time '

 

Why do you assume, with a Chinese surname, that he is a Farang?

 

 

Loh could well be a Chinese surname, it's also well used by Caucasian families, at least in my original country.

 

In any event Chinese or whatever is not really the point.  

14 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

 

Loh could well be a Chinese surname, it's also well used by Caucasian families, at least in my original country.

 

In any event Chinese or whatever is not really the point.  

his prolific posts in the defence of anything Redshirt Thaksin or PTP is not normal, most of us come here to post a passing opinion on topical news and on varied subjects, without going to investigate (because I am already sure of the answer) I would say that this person Loh only posts on political oriented subjects that have anything to do with Redshirt Thaksin PTP or its members - that is not normal behavior and indicates to me someone with a vested interest, and vested interest in Thailand normally involve personal gain  

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

his prolific posts in the defence of anything Redshirt Thaksin or PTP is not normal, most of us come here to post a passing opinion on topical news and on varied subjects, without going to investigate (because I am already sure of the answer) I would say that this person Loh only posts on political oriented subjects that have anything to do with Redshirt Thaksin PTP or its members - that is not normal behavior and indicates to me someone with a vested interest, and vested interest in Thailand normally involve personal gain  

 

Seconded.

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Well let's see the other groups who labeled themselves as 'democracy' and judge for ourselves if their actions are democratic or otherwise.

 

PAD, People's Alliance for Democracy - closely allied with the elites and created situations for a military coup and a judiciary coup.

 

PDRC, People's Democracy Reform Committee - blocked election and invited a military coup.

 

Anyone with an ounce of sense will be able to judge which group is pro-democracy. 

 

 

 

1. Diversion....

 

2. So you list PAD and PDRC. Why didn't you add PT, UDD, red shirts, shin family political company?

In fact none of them are upstanding fine examples of democracy. 

And for a laugh i'll add the several statements of ys (your angel) 'I have to stay to protect democracy', when in reality her gang of thieves had made made progress towards being a dictator government. 

 

Edited January 13, 20179 yr by scorecard