Thai immigration officer at airport didn't allow me to enter

[humbleguy]

1 minute ago, Doiger said:

To be honest it does sound like you have been treated badly and were a victim of wrong place at the wrong time.

one thing that worries me about this though is you said you were in detention for 9 days but now it seems you were in detention from the 5th or 6th feb to 2nd march.

i may be wrong because I have never been in detention but I think I would remember for sure the amount of days I was detained for.

Me neither,first time in my life. It is been for a while that is why i mixed up the dates.because  i never look back what had happened  to me,,

[BritTim]

20 minutes ago, humbleguy said:

Police?..

I didn't mention the police here  ok..the Immigration  poeple  raided my  area,almost 7 immigration  officers were knocking everybody's door,it was around 6 am , very esrly morning.so many people escaped and  ran on foot, but I didn't go out just stayed in my appartment  and waited them till they started knocking my door, then checked my pasport,nothing my visa and my passport.nothing my room,I am  the only staying there. .. then started to ask me if I report to immigration  every 90 days,I replied  that I didn't even if I need to report every 90 days to immigration. Finally they took me to custody. So many people at cutody, majority r overstayers. .I spent there not more 9 hours at custody  then they transferred us to idc at same day but it was around 8pm. I believe the date was feb5 or feb6. EVER SINCE I stayed at idc till I bought my own ticket to canada. I never been any court. I been staying at idc till I flew back to canada. I mixed up the dates,it is been long time,but everything is there, I cannot give u more information  than what I posted a few minutes ago., nothing to dig.

I personally  called my embassy to help me ,a guy from embassy showed up Monday afternoon, 2 days after  then we both met at idc.we had very fruitful  conversation.

He brought me the courts'decision, he talked to iidc supervisor  in front of me and he told him that I didn't commit any crime but I stayed at bad neighborhood.  Then asked him What about his visa? His visa was valid but was canceled  a short time ago because he didn't  cooperate with officers,  he needs to buy his own ticket in order to go back to canada otherwise he will stay at idc for long time. a fewdays  later embassy bought ticket,but was too late,I already bought my own ticket.

The immigration officers were police. Immigration has its own enforcement division.

I believe your account. It was a matter of guilt by association, racism, and your unwillingness (that I sympathize with) to play their game.

Did the consulate suggest that you engaged a lawyer? Did you do so? What did your lawyer say, if so?

Anyway, outrageous as it may seem, there is nothing you can do about it, unless willing to pay huge bribes. There is a process to ask for your blacklisting to be lifted, but this is rarely granted except for humanitarian reasons that you would not qualify for.

[Doiger]

it states on the letter that you received that any appeal must be lodged within 48 hours, did you appeal?

[ubonjoe]

Another inflammatory baiting post has been removed.

[humbleguy]

13 hours ago, BritTim said:

Do you have any court papers dated prior to 07 Feb 2012? I know you were probably not present in court, but I would expect you would still have received something, even if you had no legal representation. I am well aware that you could be completely innocent of any crime, but if the police did not believe you, it probably would not help. There is a fair amount of racism against people of Middle Eastern appearance living in cheap accommodation. If the police want a conviction, the court will give them one.

sorry for late reply  , no I don't  have any other  paper from  court other than the one I posted already,.

I cannot believe  that my new lawyer doesn't have any office anywhere in bangkok because I called his law firm last night, 2 of his colleagues told me that he is no longer  working with us,plz be careful  and don't pay him. Then I asked them where his office now somewhere in bangkok? . They warned me not to pay him. Maybe he is crook lawyer,no office nothing...he is not new to me,we been known each other over 4 years..he was busy at that time, one of his colleagues handling my case in 2014,this is the email i got from canadian embassy in bangkok:

 

Dear Sir,

Following your request, the Embassy contacted Thai Immigration. Please find the attached part of information in Thai related to your status.

Thai Immigration informed us that in order to remove your name from the blacklist, you would have to hire a lawyer and ask him/her to reconfirm with Thai Immigration prior to preparing and submitting the following documents to the Thai authorities on your behalf:

1. Power of attorney authorizing your lawyer to proceed on your behalf to submit an appeal to remove your name from the blacklist.
2. Copy of your passport.
3. RCMP Criminal Record Check. 
4. Interpol Criminal Record Check. 
5. Current information on your profession, income
6. Purpose of your visit to Thailand
7. Information of charge that caused your name to be on the blacklist for Thailand

then embassy sent to me punch of lawyers, including him,that is how I got him.  I done my finger printing at RCM,completed all requirements needed to be done   and sen himt to via fedex. This is what he wrote:

Hello, 

Please be informed that I and my colleague had attemped to investigate for your issue but after revolution and new government many contact that I used to deal with is not working.

Firstly, we shall be sure that what charge you are forced but as the connection with officer is refuse, it is not possible to do so.

But would it be possible for you to provide more information or ground or history that made this current issue?

Best regards,

 

 

[humbleguy]

Then he wrote another email:

The stamp is from Thai Immigration, Suwannabhumi airport, stamped on 22nd August 2014. It mentioned that the immigration denied you to entry the Kingdom because they consider that you are look like a suspect regarding section 12 (7) of Immigration Act.

Section 12 empower to the officer to consider an entering person and deny to entrance.

As I have checked with immigration by your POA, there is no your name recorded.

In this time, I recommended that you shall obtain visa from Thai Embassy and shall support application by employment certificate in order to prove your certain.

By the way, could you give me information for you domicile and work place?

Best regards,


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[BritTim]

40 minutes ago, humbleguy said:

Then he wrote another email:

The stamp is from Thai Immigration, Suwannabhumi airport, stamped on 22nd August 2014. It mentioned that the immigration denied you to entry the Kingdom because they consider that you are look like a suspect regarding section 12 (7) of Immigration Act.

Section 12 empower to the officer to consider an entering person and deny to entrance.

As I have checked with immigration by your POA, there is no your name recorded.

In this time, I recommended that you shall obtain visa from Thai Embassy and shall support application by employment certificate in order to prove your certain.

By the way, could you give me information for you domicile and work place?

Best regards,


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My sense is that the lawyer is worse than useless. Expect him to hit you with demands for large payments while he has done almost no work, and is giving you bad advice.

 

At this stage, no visa of any kind (even an Elite visa if somehow you were able to navigate the checks and get one) is going to help.

 

It is not a surprise that the arresting officer in your case (who recommended your blacklisting) refuses to speak to anyone about your case. It is very difficult to force him to do so.

 

I like Thailand overall, and most of the people here are fine. However, there are parts of the system (as you have found out) that are extremely corrupt. You need to accept that there is nothing you can do about this, unless it is worth big money to you to overcome the blacklisting.

[humbleguy]

Hi, i called this morning the thai embassy in ottawa.i gave to them all information including my passport number, my full name over phone,the embassy checked my name then she came back to me after few minutes then told me that ur name is cleared, u don't have any criminal history whatsoever any where in Thailand, otherwise we wont tell u this.if u r applying single visa then we can issue for u 90 days in 24 hours.Plz bring ur passport and one photo with u .
What if the immigration officers don't let me enter ? It happened to me before , on august 23,2014 then she replied me like this "sorry nothing i can do about it ,we don't control over them, we are separate departments ,we don't have any authority to tell them what to do. We can only issue visa as far visa concerned , nothing else we can do , it is up to them"
Is there anyone can give me very good advice or comment ,u r more than welcome to comment on this.


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[BritTim]

32 minutes ago, humbleguy said:

Hi, i called this morning the thai embassy in ottawa.i gave to them all information including my passport number, my full name over phone,the embassy checked my name then she came back to me after few minutes then told me that ur name is cleared, u don't have any criminal history whatsoever any where in Thailand, otherwise we wont tell u this.if u r applying single visa then we can issue for u 90 days in 24 hours.Plz bring ur passport and one photo with u .
What if the immigration officers don't let me enter ? It happened to me before , on august 23,2014 then she replied me like this "sorry nothing i can do about it ,we don't control over them, we are separate departments ,we don't have any authority to tell them what to do. We can only issue visa as far visa concerned , nothing else we can do , it is up to them"
Is there anyone can give me very good advice or comment ,u r more than welcome to comment on this.

I do not know why Thai consulates so often spout nonsense when contacted by travelers. The consulate does not have access to the immigration database. It could be that your blacklisting was improperly done, but you are blacklisted. Apart from the stamp in your passport, this has been independently confirmed by reliable sources. If you want to waste money buying a visa and flight ticket, go ahead. No one is stopping you. Best case, they will simply send you back, and no damage done except wasted money. If you are really unlucky, you may manage to enter and be caught later. That is likely to result in much worse consequences than simple deportation.

[Anthony Loh]

Hi, i called this morning the thai embassy in ottawa.i gave to them all information including my passport number, my full name over phone,the embassy checked my name then she came back to me after few minutes then told me that ur name is cleared, u don't have any criminal history whatsoever any where in Thailand, otherwise we wont tell u this.if u r applying single visa then we can issue for u 90 days in 24 hours.Plz bring ur passport and one photo with u .
What if the immigration officers don't let me enter ? It happened to me before , on august 23,2014 then she replied me like this "sorry nothing i can do about it ,we don't control over them, we are separate departments ,we don't have any authority to tell them what to do. We can only issue visa as far visa concerned , nothing else we can do , it is up to them"
Is there anyone can give me very good advice or comment ,u r more than welcome to comment on this.


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Why don't you call the immigration HQ in Bangkok to check with them just like you call the Thai embassy and I think you will get the correct answer.


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[humbleguy]

Do u have contact number


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[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, Anthony Loh said:

Why don't you call the immigration HQ in Bangkok to check with them just like you call the Thai embassy and I think you will get the correct answer.

If you were to go back and read some of the earlier posts you would find that he has been given the correct info already.

He is banned from entering the country for 99 years.

[manarak]

The dates given by OP for the detention still don't add up. Was it more than 9 days ?

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, manarak said:

The dates given by OP for the detention still don't add up. Was it more than 9 days ?

Read what has been posted carefully and you will find it was more than 9 days.

[manarak]

Just now, ubonjoe said:

Read what has been posted carefully and you will find it was more than 9 days.

we can infer this from the posted information - yet OP hasn't made any statement clarifying the duration of detention.

I wonder if for him three weeks of detention felt like nine days, or... ??

If I was detained for three weeks I certainly wouldn't forget that.

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, manarak said:

I wonder if for him three weeks of detention felt like nine days, or... ??

It has been a little over 5 years since it happened. Perhaps he got confused about the number of days when he first posted the 9 days.

For me it makes no difference whether it was 9 days or 9 weeks.

[manarak]

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It has been a little over 5 years since it happened. Perhaps he got confused about the number of days when he first posted the 9 days.

For me it makes no difference whether it was 9 days or 9 weeks.

ok. then we have the problem of what actually happened?

 

according to OP, he stayed in his room, showed his passport, they searched the room, etc. and then... 

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His visa was valid but was canceled  a short time ago because he didn't  cooperate with officers

so something probably happened between OP and the officers, there, in his room in the early morning ??

[Anthony Loh]

If you were to go back and read some of the earlier posts you would find that he has been given the correct info already.
He is banned from entering the country for 99 years.

Hi joe, I read that also but I still don't believe that "99 years" it must be a joke to me as I only award that 1,5 & 10 years ban for overstay.


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[ubonjoe]

12 minutes ago, manarak said:

His visa was valid but was canceled  a short time ago because he didn't  cooperate with officers

Who wrote that. I don't have the time or desire to back t  look through all the posts. It is easy to quote part of a post by by highlighting it with your mouse and then quoting it. That is how I just did it.

At this point in time it really does not matter IMO. You seem to be intent on bringing things up to berate the OP.

[BritTim]

Just now, Anthony Loh said:

Hi joe, I read that also but I still don't believe that "99 years" it must be a joke to me as I only award that 1,5 & 10 years ban for overstay.

Read the thread carefully. There was no overstay. The blacklisting was for alleged fraud. Although the OP may have been abusive towards the immigration officers who arrested him, there is a good chance he was not guilty of anything. The arresting officer just decided (perhaps, he suspected a crime without being able to prove it; perhaps there was racism; who knows?)  to recommend blacklisting anyway.

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Anthony Loh said:

Hi joe, I read that also but I still don't believe that "99 years" it must be a joke to me as I only award that 1,5 & 10 years ban for overstay.

Those overstay bans only came into effect last year. Before then there was no banning for an overstay. Just a 20k baht max fine.

He was not on overstay when he was picked up and was not banned for that.

[manarak]

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Who wrote that. I don't have the time or desire to back t  look through all the posts. It is easy to quote part of a post by by highlighting it with your mouse and then quoting it. That is how I just did it.

At this point in time it really does not matter IMO. You seem to be intent on bringing things up to berate the OP.

The OP wrote that.

My intent is not to berate OP, but he tends to leave out important information that could help to understand what actually happened, but getting the information feels like pulling teeth.
I feel there is something pivotal he doesn't say about what really happened that morning when he was taken into custody.

 

from the same post I linked above:

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I personally  called my embassy to help me ,a guy from embassy showed up Monday afternoon, 2 days after  then we both met at idc.we had very fruitful  conversation.

He brought me the courts'decision

Maybe finding and posting that document would help to understand.

[BritTim]

2 minutes ago, manarak said:

from the same post I linked above:

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I personally  called my embassy to help me ,a guy from embassy showed up Monday afternoon, 2 days after  then we both met at idc.we had very fruitful  conversation.

He brought me the courts'decision

Maybe finding and posting that document would help to understand.

I think the OP misinterpreted the notification of blacklisting as a court document. Although I could be wrong, I do not think the OP was ever handed any official court document. My suspicion, in fact, is that there was no case against him ever presented in a court of law. If he had legal representation at the time, we could know, but (although never actually confirmed) I think the only assistance the OP received was that single visit from the consular employee who brought the blacklisting document. This whole affair stinks. Either the OP is misleading us or (and this is what I believe) he did nothing illegal, but just rubbed a corrupt immigration officer the wrong way.

[Evilbaz]

Why was every farang in the building arrested simultaneously and charged with Fraud?

Was there something boiling in the background?

Or were they all writing dud cheques, forging documents etc.

Something smells here - "looking like a suspect" can be quickly disproved.

[FritsSikkink]

The OP was deported on March 3, stayed 9 days in detention and got the deportation paper on 7 Feb.

[Anthony Loh]

1 hour ago, BritTim said:

Read the thread carefully. There was no overstay. The blacklisting was for alleged fraud. Although the OP may have been abusive towards the immigration officers who arrested him, there is a good chance he was not guilty of anything. The arresting officer just decided (perhaps, he suspected a crime without being able to prove it; perhaps there was racism; who knows?)  to recommend blacklisting anyway.

Thanks for the highlight! Noted

[humbleguy]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Read what has been posted carefully and you will find it was more than 9 days.

of course is more than 9 days .there is nothing happened  between feb6 or feb7th. The Immigration  officers took me straight to IDC after I refused to pay so we being held at custody little over 10 hours, then took us to IDC. this is not point I am trying to make, my point is very simple : Where is immigration  headquarters in bangkok? to whom am I  supposed  to call in order to  know my file? As u know that ,u must have insider at immigration  in order to get anything u want.

That is why I hired a new lawyer to find out why my name got blacklist?  and how to fix this. My new lawyer told me last night  he knows  a very high ranking immigration  officers can find out for him everythings  about my case. as I mentioned before  my previous post that I had never comitted  any crime to anywhere in the world. now  I am depend on my thai lawyer. He is very active and fast. let us see and wait ,

[manarak]

16 minutes ago, humbleguy said:

of course is more than 9 days .there is nothing happened  between feb6 or feb7th. The Immigration  officers took me straight to IDC after I refused to pay so we being held at custody little over 10 hours, then took us to IDC. this is not point I am trying to make, my point is very simple : Where is immigration  headquarters in bangkok? to whom am I  supposed  to call in order to  know my file? As u know that ,u must have insider at immigration  in order to get anything u want.

That is why I hired a new lawyer to find out why my name got blacklist?  and how to fix this. My new lawyer told me last night  he knows  a very high ranking immigration  officers can find out for him everythings  about my case. as I mentioned before  my previous post that I had never comitted  any crime to anywhere in the world. now  I am depend on my thai lawyer. He is very active and fast. let us see and wait ,

so you refused to pay, but why were you asked to pay anything?

as far as I know officers, when asking for a bribe they usually have a valid motive, somehow the law was broken.

So what did the immigration officers say as to how you broke the law?

 

Or did it get out of hand at some point if you lost your temper?

[humbleguy]

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The OP was deported on March 3, stayed 9 days in detention and got the deportation paper on 7 Feb.

I don't wanna  keep repeating myself  over and over again.I been Idc from  feb6 till March. Maybe I posted wrong dates,Ii is been long time and i already forgot those days,but u don't have to confuse urself, it is. clear  crystal . .

It doest matter how many days I been in IDC. What matters now for me  is how to remove blacklist on my name.

So I will wait till my lawyer come up with something.  He is good lawyer, he knows his job very well..

[humbleguy]

1 minute ago, manarak said:

so you refused to pay, but why were you asked to pay anything?

as far as I know officers, when asking for a bribe they usually have a valid motive, somehow the law was broken.

So what did the immigration officers say as to how you broke the law?

 

Or did it get out of hand at some point if you lost your temper?

Immigration  officers  never ever ask u directly to bribe them,is that clear ?

Instead ,they use the interpreter to come forward  and tell u thatu will be free  if u pay this amount.

I wasn't  alone,so many foreigners there  from different  nationalities. .

The interpreter came to me,and asked me 10,000baht,but I refused to pay that amount. I don't see why I am paying for? What for? All my documents  was valid including my visa.  I was a legal.