Belgian tourist's death on Koh Tao - police deny several online rumors

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

What is not clear apart from the people who first disovered the body, who arrived next rescue team or police

Nothing is 'clear' at the moment!

[AGareth2]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

Nothing is 'clear' at the moment!

and the evidence has been burnt

[dick dasterdly]

27 minutes ago, balo said:

I have a theory after watching the video, what if her body was burned inside the bungalow, maybe started as an accident originally or maybe not . Then the owner got scared and they made it look like a suicide.

 

So did anyone see a picture of her body ? We know she was cremated before her mother arrived.  Just a theory but the picture of the dead body "eaten by lizards" could end that theory. 

 

 

 

Has to be a nomination for the most obviously troll post of the year....

Edited July 2, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[bannork]

55 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

There's nothing other than contradictory information .

 

The poor woman was found hanged/lying on rocks - some of her baggage ended up in Chumphon/it didn't - the fire started in her accommodation/elsewhere  -etc. etc.

I think we can distinguish between a handbag/ small shoulder bag carrying her phone, purse or wallet etc which she would keep with her, and a backpack which would have gone on to Chumpon. Bit like a backpacker getting on a bus and putting his/her main bag in the hold  of the bus whilst keeping valuables on his/her body in a small bag. 

The owner of the bungalow where the fire occurred said she initially booked for 2 nights. The owner says categorically the fire strted in Elise's bungalow.

Looking at the place her body was found, it's clear the body could have been lying on the rocks whilst hanging from the branch.

[bannork]

51 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

What is not clear apart from the people who first disovered the body, who arrived next rescue team or police

The rescue volunteer says the centre answered the call from a citizen who found the body so it seems that they were there first but it doesn't say 100%.

[balo]

48 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Has to be a nomination for the most obviously troll post

Nonsense, it is just a theory . I could make it a lot worse if you like.

 

[smedly]

there is no real point in quoting what people said because they will say exactly what they are told to say and it keeps changing day to day as the narrative and agenda does, police are now calling it a murder lol but since all evidence has been destroyed they can call it whatever they like and it all might change tomorrow

[AGareth2]

17 minutes ago, smedly said:

police are now calling it a murder

no wonder all the Burmese migrant workers are fleeing Thailand

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, balo said:

Nonsense, it is just a theory . I could make it a lot worse if you like.

 

I thought it was a good theory

[sweatalot]

if the body was hanging on a tree (I don't know) does this mean suicide? On Koh Tao? !!

You remember the scotsman who was threatened to be killed and make it look like suicide by hanging him on a tree ?

Or the frenchman - suicide by hanging with hands tied behind the body?

 

[Wilsonandson]

[FarangJon]

Local Killer!

[bannork]

The article mentions facts already known, ie the fire , and then says the autopsy conducted at The Police Hospital looked for DNA under her fingernails and  checked her entire body including her vagina but found nothing unusual. There were no  signs of the body having been assaulted or any bones broken. Death was due to suffocation.

Checking the CCTV cameras, on April 21 at 8.00 am Elise could be seen buying  breakfast in a takeaway box with water and buying a boat ticket  of the Lom Phraya company with the hotel Poseidon to travel on the 24th at 2.30.

The last picture of Elise on CCTV was at 9.30 when she passed Mon Taley Resort, this is 200 metres from where her body was found.

After this nobody saw her until her body was found on the 27th.April.

Michel, Elise's mother, said after Elise joined the sect Baba in India her behaviour had become strange and she had learned Elise had even tried to kill herself by running in front of a train in Bangkok but someone had saved her.

Mr Jan Mardumeuang, the person who found her body, said he had climbed up the slope to see the view when he smelt something like rotting flesh so he climbed up till he came to the body.

He said,' It looked like she had try to kill herself because her body was wrapped in cloth and nearby was a bottle of benzine.'

Regarding Elise's luggage, on May 5th,  Elise's parents asked to see her luggage, a red bag, which had been kept at Chumpon since arriving on April 19th.The bag was sent to Koh Phangnan on May 7th,opening the contents the parents were sure it was her bag.

 

 

 

[TheLobster]

Dark side of Koh Tao: The seven tourists found dead on Thailand's 'murder island' after backpacker 'eaten by lizards'

[smedly]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

The article mentions facts already known, ie the fire , 

 

 

 

 

you do you understand that in corrupt countries  that official reports are dictated - people are told what to say including police - medical examiners - locals - witnesses etc.   but that only happens in corrupt countries ....... not like Thailand  ... right ?

Edited July 2, 2017 by smedly

[Khun Han]

Like I said to you before smedly, the person you are beseeching is an intrinsic part of the problem. There is no possibility of him ever being part of the solution.

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

you do you understand that in corrupt countries  that official reports are dictated - people are told what to say including police - medical examiners - locals - witnesses etc.   but that only happens in corrupt countries ....... not like Thailand  ... right ?

Oh, he understands alright.....

[metisdead]

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[Lamar]

A new twist emerged yesterday in the Thai language press, a story that resumed this morning in the English-speaking Thai press, notably in "The Nation" and in a well-known Bangkokian newspaper. This is in essence what the police (Crime Suppression Division) reportedly told the press:

 

- Elise Dallemagne allegedly tried to commit suicide on April 4, by triying to jump under a moving train at Nopphawong Railway Station, Bangkok.
- People on the scene saved her, with the help of Railway Police.
- She was sent to the Somdet Chaopraya Institute of Psychiatry for treatment.
- She later travelled to Koh Tao.

 

This completely contradicts what the mother (Michèle Van Egten) and the brother (Fabian Dallemagne) of the victim told firmly to the Thai and Belgian press that Elise Dallemagne was not at all suicidal.

 

It is surprising that this incident, which so opportunely reinforces the thesis of the police (the suicide), emerges only two months after the result of the investigation! However, it is possible that one or several witnesses of the incident may be came forward only now, after photos of the young woman have appeared all over the press, on television and on Facebook. It would be interesting that these witnesses testify freely in front of the press.

 

It is also surprising that this incident was not reported at the time (April 4) by the press; It would have made a good positive headline: "Thais citizens save a young Western woman from death".

 

Certainly suicides occur very regulary. It sometimes happens that the entourage and the family are really taken by surprise when this happens. Even the fact of having booked a plane ticket to return to her country does not constitute an absolute element in disfavour of the suicide thesis:travelers committed suicide in Suvarnabhumi from where they had to embark their return plane.

 

However, apart from the airline ticket and the family's testimonies and convictions, there are other factors that call into question the thesis of suicide:

 

- The fact that the family did not receive the autopsy report, that they claimed for.
- The fact that it appears that, according to the family, there is no photo available of the body at the place of death.
- The fact that for two months the information was hidden in the press, and that the family had to make calls for help so that this tragic event finally bursts into the open.

 

IF the testimony that there was a can of petrol close to the body AND the body was partially burned, then this would almost certainly invalidate the thesis of suicide: one does not usually commit suicide by TWO methods simultaneously (by hanging And immolation by fire)! 

 

It will be remembered that in the annals of criminal cases in this country there have been many instances of suspicion that dead by hanging are in fact crimes disguised as suicides; There is at least one proven case, when a victim escaped hanging over a highway bridge because, fortunately, the rope broke!

 

This is also reminiscent of Sean McAnna's allegations that two people threatened to hang him in the forest and disguise this as a suicide.

 

It will also be remembered that in some criminal cases it happened that the bodies of the victims were burnt at the place of execution to prevent their identification; This was particularly the case for the mass grave discovered last year near Udon Thani.

 

Before jumping to conclusions in one direction or the other, it would be prudent to rely on publicly established facts or testimony rather than on rumors or statements that are not openly verifiable. 

Edited July 3, 2017 by Lamar

[rockingrobin]

There may be an issue with the mobile phone

 

In an article one of the rescue workers claims a mobile phone recovered and kept as evidence by the police

In may the mother was told by the police the phone may have been destroyed 

 

The can of benzine had been stolen

 

Edited July 3, 2017 by rockingrobin

[Lamar]

31 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

There may be an issue with the mobile phone

 

In an article one of the rescue workers claims a mobile phone recovered and kept as evidence by the police

In may the mother was told by the police the phone may have been destroyed 

 

The can of benzine had been stolen

 

Please, where did you read this allegation about the rescue worker claim about the recovered mobile?

 

There is an expansion of often contradictory information; The press report declarations made by family, mixed with that of the police and with unverified rumors, and with report of other articles in other newspapers, re-carried in a sort of chain reaction, with at each step a loss of accuracy and verifiability. It would be desirable for those who are likely to give relevant information (family, witness...) to do so directly, for example via Facebook, rather than just through the press.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Lamar

[rockingrobin]

6 minutes ago, Lamar said:

Please, where did you read this allegation about the rescue worker claim about the recovered mobile?

 

There is an expansion of often contradictory information; The press report declarations made by family, mixed with that of the police and with unverified rumors, and with report of other articles in other newspapers, re-carried in a sort of chain reaction, with at each step a loss of accuracy and verifiability. It would be desirable for those who are likely to give relevant information (family, witness...) to do so directly, for example via Facebook, rather than just through the press.

The info comes from a german language newspaper based in thailand

[Lamar]

16 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The info comes from a german language newspaper based in thailand

Thank you very much ! I just read the topic... This German language newspaper seems well informed and in direct contact with the mother of the victim ... Let's hope that the mother returns to the possession of her daughter's mobile; It is likely that this mobile contains valuable information ... Its disappearance is most weird ... It is reminiscent of all the "weird" about the phones in the case of the September 2014 double murder ...

[tukkytuktuk]

Where is the Nopphawong Railway Station?
I think you mean Hua lamphong train station and Nopphawong Police Station.

[Pattaya46]

2 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Where is the Nopphawong Railway Station?
I think you mean Hua lamphong train station and Nopphawong Police Station.

I don't know, the source (that can't be fully cited here) said "Dallemagne tried to take her own life at Nopphawong railway station in Bangkok on April 4" and "She was sent to the Somdet Chaopraya Institute of Psychiatry for treatment"

[Jonathan Fairfield]

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