In detention right now about to be deported

[Lovethailandelite]

26 minutes ago, jspill said:

I'd try to ask to fly back to Laos if I can, some other guys managed to fly to Laos instead of their home country, and it may be possible since you flew from there. It varies though.

 

Then come in via land border, which people with a longer visa history than you have done with no issues. 

 

If you're sent to Germany, fly to Malaysia and come in via land border to Hat Yai then domestic flight to BKK. 

 

Either way have 20k baht cash on you, although at land borders they're less likely to ask, and even if you had it today maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. The guy in the other thread had 25k, it didn't help.

If his passport is stamped Denied entry they will still let him enter through a land border?

[LannaGuy]

Just now, rosst said:

Yes and I am never going to regret moving to the Philippines. 

The only thing I miss is the beautiful food but I still have a house in Thailand and go for holidays when it suits me and never have a problem with immigration, get a visa in Penang, too easy. 

I have noticed the anti farang in some of the people as well as the authorities, worrying signs. 

I have a condo in the Philippines too and visit regularly but mostly it gives me comfort and peace of mind that I could jump over for months if it hit the fan here in a BIG way (which is likely at some point).  I only ever visited here until I was 50 and got the golden retirement extension which is probably the safest of the visa's.

 

If i was this young man I stay in Germany, have his career, make some money and decide about retirement later. I think younger folk coming here will always be flagged up more than us older folk. Best of luck anyway.

[LannaGuy]

Just now, Lovethailandelite said:

If his passport is stamped Denied entry they will still let him enter through a land border?

More importantly will they let him back in at ANY border?  I thought deportation you were auto banned for while at least?  Crossy or UbonJoe will know.

[jspill]

2 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

If his passport is stamped Denied entry they will still let him enter through a land border?

His stamp will have written 'no funds' (in Thai) as the reason for the denial, he can attempt to return with 20k baht funds. I'd risk that at a land border rather than get a new passport as the Ed visa is in his current passport. 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

More importantly will they let him back in at ANY border?  I thought deportation you were auto banned for while at least?  Crossy or UbonJoe will know.

He will not be deported since he never entered the country. It is only a denial of entry.

There is no ban for being denied entry.

[jeab1980]

I tell everyone to carry 20k when doing a visa run. Never yet been asked to show it but its there just in case. It only takes as in this case one IO enforcing the rule and a world of pain is opened up. I would suspect going by other post if denied entry you will be going back to Germany? (Home country seems to be the overiding rule for refused entry) Wonder what stamp will go in your passport. You have a non B ? Which wont have been stamped so you will have the visa for when you return.

 

Edited July 14, 2017 by jeab1980

[LannaGuy]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

He will not be deported since he never entered the country. It is only a denial of entry.

There is no ban for being denied entry.

right that's good... topic headline should be changed maybe?

[melvinmelvin]

The 20k in cash requirement,

does it also apply to holders of extension of stay and a re-entry permit?

 

 

[Preacher]

An appeal can be made with this form:

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1486548054958.pdf

 

They have to answer within one week or you will be granted entry. As the decision has to be decided upon at very, very high level chances are they can't decide in time. 

It doesn't say where you can Await the decision.

[tonray]

We shouldn't have a cow here folks that you show about $600 bucks US for a 30 day (or more) stay. How could this be so onerous ?..I think people need to sit back and realize that this is not a big deal. If you come to a foreign country and do not have $600 bucks to support yourself then you should not be allowed in. Travelers need to start being adults and follow the rules.

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

The 20k in cash requirement,

does it also apply to holders of extension of stay and a re-entry permit?

 

 

Technically no since is not a new entry with a visa. I don't recall anybody having a problem when entering with a re-entry permit.

[ollienglish]

Really worried about this now, I am a 34 year old Brit that has been away for Thailand for the last 3 months in the UK. I keep track of this forum and seen this is the second post in the last few days that someone has been kept in detention. I am planning to get a 6 month multiple entry tourist visa before I return on 29th of this month, but I already have one 3 month tourist visa in my passport. If I carry 20k before I enter will I be ok? 

[manarak]

47 minutes ago, doctormann said:

 

There are no ATMs before Immigration so no possibility of finding one before you are admitted - and that is the problem!

I believe there are ATMs before immigration.

[tomacht8]

I got a condo in Thong Lo with all my belongings. I got my friends here and my training. 

Maybe you can call your friends to come to the airport with 20,000 Baht.

[jeab1980]

3 minutes ago, tonray said:

We shouldn't have a cow here folks that you show about $600 bucks US for a 30 day (or more) stay. How could this be so onerous ?..I think people need to sit back and realize that this is not a big deal. If you come to a foreign country and do not have $600 bucks to support yourself then you should not be allowed in. Travelers need to start being adults and follow the rules.

Which i suspect would be the case if and theres the rub IF people knew about this rule. Not everyone reads Thai Visa and i for one have never seen a sign  at any land crossings or airports.

[PhuketSarah]

1 hour ago, Somtamnication said:

Strange that they denied the OP the chance to go to the atm and show the funds. Very worrisome indeed.

HOw can he enter without the stamp though? Then he's really illegal. 

[tonray]

1 minute ago, jeab1980 said:

Which i suspect would be the case if and theres the rub IF people knew about this rule. Not everyone reads Thai Visa and i for one have never seen a sign  at any land crossings or airports.

The internet and google are your friend. I have traveled to many countries and before I do I do 30 minutes of research. As the saying goes "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

[tonray]

1 minute ago, PhuketSarah said:

HOw can he enter without the stamp though? Then he's really illegal. 

If they are smart, they would put an ATM with a 500 baht surcharge before entry. That would be a moneymaker.

[jeab1980]

Just now, tonray said:

The internet and google are your friend. I have traveled to many countries and before I do I do 30 minutes of research. As the saying goes "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

Again not everybody does that. Wonder how many tourists look at bloody google (the new font of all knowledge  not!) Before coming on Holiday?

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, ollienglish said:

Really worried about this now, I am a 34 year old Brit that has been away for Thailand for the last 3 months in the UK. I keep track of this forum and seen this is the second post in the last few days that someone has been kept in detention. I am planning to get a 6 month multiple entry tourist visa before I return on 29th of this month, but I already have one 3 month tourist visa in my passport. If I carry 20k before I enter will I be ok? 

At this time I would go for 20k or equiv' in £ or € etc, a flight booking  out during the term of your visa and a hotel booking in hand.

Sounds OTT I know, but !!

[YetAnother]

2 hours ago, Momofarang said:

But clearly, the climate is "Anti-Farang"

the black cloud hanging over all our heads

[melvinmelvin]

about time climate change is taken seriously

 

(sorry, couldna resist)

 

 

[tonray]

2 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

Again not everybody does that. Wonder how many tourists look at bloody google (the new font of all knowledge  not!) Before coming on Holiday?

And yet they have time to keep their faces buried in facebook and instagram while they walk into traffic. Time to be be adults if they want some respect. 

[ollienglish]

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

At this time I would go for 20k or equiv' in £ or € etc, a flight booking  out during the term of your visa and a hotel booking in hand.

Sounds OTT I know, but !!

I have a condo on a year lease which I will be going back to. My girlfriend will be coming over from the Philippines aswell. I can do the flight out and withdraw 20k before I enter though. Just hoping I won't have any problems. Next time it could be me the one posting here in detention! 

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, BuckBee said:

Indeed things are tightening up and those without the $ aren't welcome, thailand is all about the $, if you ain't got it they can't get it so you ain't welcome . Airports are hassle and those with lot of visa entries will be interviewed and if goes badly you'll be sat in detention room lol ....

Thailand always been anti farang, just currently they want most of our influence out and only money in . la la land good years are long gone and unlikely ever return .

In the other case, he had 25K Baht and was denied on "suspicion of working" entering with a Tourist Visa. 

I don't think that would have happened in this case, with the ED visa, if he had the cash - but that is speculation on my part.  ED visas are known to send certain IOs into a "negative-space" - to put it nicely.

 

Best not to fly in at all, if you have spent considerable time here and are attempting to enter Exempt, or using a Tourist or ED Visa to enter.

 

1 hour ago, rhodie said:

Does it change things if you get the 20,000 and produce? If you can't get to an ATM maybe a friend could bring the money to you.

I recall a couple cases where the person had the money, was never asked for it, but denied for not having it.  Upon seeing why they were denying him, they showed it, and were told "it's too late now, sorry."

 

1 hour ago, Somtamnication said:

Strange that they denied the OP the chance to go to the atm and show the funds. Very worrisome indeed.

Not strange at all, it is standard practice.  It isn't really "about the money" - or about Farangs from wealthy nations coming in to "work illegally" - it is about Keeping Out longer-staying Farangs. 

 

See the threads on the raised-bars for applying for longer-stay visas - also justified under the "abuse" / "crackdown" language.  There is a certain clique who Does Not Want Us Here long-term. 

 

That said, most of the IOs I have met at land-borders are nice folks who want to help people - evidently not all are part of this problem-clique.

 

1 hour ago, Adeeos said:

Right,,, so have them walk him to an ATM in Swampy, and withdraw the $20K... "should" be problem solved... 

They don't want to "solve" the problem.  They want the longer-staying Farang GONE.

Edited July 14, 2017 by JackThompson

[jeab1980]

Just now, tonray said:

And yet they have time to keep their faces buried in facebook and instagram while they walk into traffic. Time to be be adults if they want some respect. 

I have just looked up entry requirements to Thailand as a UK citizen. First one Gov UK trusted as its gov uk no where can i find on there you need 20k. Job done read all i need to know can go in saftey knowing UK gov website has reasured me

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, ollienglish said:

Really worried about this now, I am a 34 year old Brit that has been away for Thailand for the last 3 months in the UK. I keep track of this forum and seen this is the second post in the last few days that someone has been kept in detention. I am planning to get a 6 month multiple entry tourist visa before I return on 29th of this month, but I already have one 3 month tourist visa in my passport. If I carry 20k before I enter will I be ok? 

You have nothing to worry about with your history. Just be prepared to show the equivalent of 20k baht.

[wump]

14 minutes ago, manarak said:

I believe there are ATMs before immigration.

Yes, there is at least one USD ATM and as there is lots of duty free I think I have seen the occasional exchange booth (including ATM) as well.

[YetAnother]

germane to the topic due to the monetary requirement; so is it the case : that if i want to shop in Tachilek (myanmar) and i do the re-entry permit foolishness. upon re-entry in Mae Sai. i have to show 20000 in hand ?

(am on retirement extension)

[overherebc]

11 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

I have just looked up entry requirements to Thailand as a UK citizen. First one Gov UK trusted as its gov uk no where can i find on there you need 20k. Job done read all i need to know can go in saftey knowing UK gov website has reasured me

Many gov web sites are not updated as often as they should be.