Written closing statements on the rice pledging case have reached by Supreme Court

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Written closing statements on the rice pledging case have reached by Supreme Court

By Thai PBS

 

 

BANGKOK: -- Both the public prosecutors and the defence lawyers of former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra have separately submitted their written closing statements on the rice pledging scheme case to the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Offices.

 

The judges will have 10 days to peruse the two closing statements of the two parties and then write their separate opinions before the judgement day on Aug 25.

 

Mr Surasak Srirattrakul, director-general of the Prosecution Department, is confident that their written closing statement has covered every aspect and issue of the case, including the defence lawyers’ challenges and the weak points of the defence witnesses.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/written-closing-statements-rice-pledging-case-reached-supreme-court/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-08-16

[binjalin]

"write their separate opinions"  now how do we write the same guilty thing differently?

[steven100]

we find the defendant ' guilty '  as charged your honor ...

[HungWell]

30 minutes ago, steven100 said:

we find the defendant ' guilty '  as charged your honor ...

Can't see it happening that way. Yingluck in jail is the juntas worst nightmare. Not only would it cause outrage inside Thailand, there is no way that a former elected Prime Minister getting tossed in jail by a junta would not draw an awful lot of criticism and possibly sanctions by the free country's of the world. Can the judges concoct a verdict that somehow strips her of her assets but allows her to walk free - that's what they'll be trying for.

Edited August 16, 2017 by HungWell

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, HungWell said:

Can't see it happening that way. Yingluck in jail is the juntas worst nightmare. Not only would it cause outrage inside Thailand, there is no way that a former elected Prime Minister getting tossed in jail by a junta would not draw an awful lot of criticism and possibly sanctions by the free country's of the world. Can the judges concoct a verdict that somehow strips her of her assets but allows her to walk free - that's what they'll be trying for.

 

If the verdict is guilty, then an extended ban from politics, seizing of the assets as previously commenced, and perhaps some form of suspended sentence perhaps.

 

That way, internally they've made her loose face and been seen to punish her whereas externally after some initial comments and coverage it would likely quickly blow over. Neither would want foreign journalists digging around.

 

Or maybe they'll come up with a more clever solution.

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, HungWell said:

Can't see it happening that way. Yingluck in jail is the juntas worst nightmare. Not only would it cause outrage inside Thailand, there is no way that a former elected Prime Minister getting tossed in jail by a junta would not draw an awful lot of criticism and possibly sanctions by the free country's of the world. Can the judges concoct a verdict that somehow strips her of her assets but allows her to walk free - that's what they'll be trying for.

Siwilai...

 

And yet, we still can't see who the true criminals might be.

[Eric Loh]

Previous the court was asked to used political expediency to help the country break political impasse. Now there is no need and she will be acquitted. 

[zzaa09]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Previous the court was asked to used political expediency to help the country break political impasse. Now there is no need and she will be acquitted. 

Acquittal seems to be the accepted common consensus.

 

Yet, required to play out the image inducing theatre that is very rhetorically Thai.

[bannork]

Even if found guilty she is unlikely to go to jail immediately as unlike the previous constitution, under this one she can appeal.

[HungWell]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Even if found guilty she is unlikely to go to jail immediately as unlike the previous constitution, under this one she can appeal.

They have surely built themselves a joke of a legal system haven't they.

Did the mushroom farmers also have this option?

[Ricardo]

32 minutes ago, HungWell said:

They have surely built themselves a joke of a legal system haven't they.

Did the mushroom farmers also have this option?

 

If you mean the elderly mushroom-pickers back in 2010, they were reportedly (the paper that cannot be quoted) mistaken to be some of the illegal-loggers who were being targetted in Dong Ranang National Park, and their lawyer allegedly advised them to plead guilty to the charges of illegal-logging, in order to benefit from the 50%-reduction in their sentences.

 

And the original sentence in 2012 was 30-years, thus reduced to 15-years, truly  Amazing Thailand !

 

Or did you mean to refer to the former-PM, currently in-the-news, who reportedly took up mushroom-farming after leaving-office ?

[Smokemachine]

Will YL get locked? Highly not possible as many think so. Will Thailand in tension again if she did her time? IMO, it will be surprisingly not to see too much commotion.

[webfact]

Prosecutors file papers ahead of Yingluck verdict

By THE NATION

 

 

BANGOK: -- IN THE lead-up to the August 25 verdict, public prosecutors have submitted 376 pages of documents to the Supreme Court to substantiate claims of wrongdoing by former premier Yingluck Shinawatra and others concerning the previous government’s rice-pledging scheme and allegedly fake export deals.

Meanwhile, the Interior Ministry has stepped up its monitoring of local administrative organisations planning to hold field trips to Bangkok around the time of the verdict to show moral support for Yingluck.

 

Surasak Trirattrakul, from the Office of the Attorney-General, said prosecutors had submitted 211 pages of documents to the court concerning Yingluck’s alleged negligence of official duties while implementing the rice-pledging scheme.

 

According to the prosecutors, Yingluck’s wrongdoing resulted in corruption and massive financial damage to the state.

 

Regarding a related matter of fake government-to-government rice export deals, 165 pages of documents have been submitted to the court by prosecutors who allege wrongdoing by former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom and others.

 

The cases are related because the previous government allegedly announced the government-to-government export deals, which turned out to be bogus, to justify extension of the rice-pledging scheme.

 

Yingluck and other defendants in these two cases have already presented their closing statements before the Supreme Court.

 

Meanwhile, Somchai Ngamwongchon, the Central Administrative Court’s spokesperson, said the Finance Ministry had submitted its written explanation for freezing Yingluck’s bank accounts as part of the government’s civil liability lawsuit against the ex-premier.

 

Yingluck earlier sought a court injunction on the government’s seizure of her bank accounts and other assets.

 

According to the civil liability lawsuit, the government demanded a payment of Bt35 billion from the ex-premier on the grounds that her rice-pledging scheme had resulted in a huge financial loss.

 

Somchai said the chief judge responsible for the case was expected to finalise a judgement within the next two weeks as to whether to issue an injunction to stop the government’s legal measures. If the injunction is issued, the government has the right to appeal before the Supreme Administrative Court.

 

He said the panel of judges might also take the criminal cases against Yingluck and others into consideration in deciding whether to issue the injunction.

 

Meanwhile, the Interior Ministry has ordered provincial governors to ensure that local administrative organisations do not use their state budgets to organise trips to Bangkok as part of their efforts to show moral support for Yingluck on August 25.

 

These local administrative organisations are said to have organised training and field trips to Bangkok, enabling large numbers of Yingluck supporters to show up on “judgement day”.

 

Deputy premier Prawit Wongsuwan said the government would take precautionary measures to prevent any unrest around the Supreme Court’s premises on August 25 because several thousand Yingluck supporters were expected to show up.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30324015

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-08-17

[Samui Bodoh]

17 hours ago, HungWell said:

Can't see it happening that way. Yingluck in jail is the juntas worst nightmare. Not only would it cause outrage inside Thailand, there is no way that a former elected Prime Minister getting tossed in jail by a junta would not draw an awful lot of criticism and possibly sanctions by the free country's of the world. Can the judges concoct a verdict that somehow strips her of her assets but allows her to walk free - that's what they'll be trying for.

 

It is illuminating that no one, supporter or detractor alike, believes that the 'verdict' will be based on the law.

 

Every comment, positive or negative, seeks to divine the answer based on what is politically expedient.

 

Speaks volumes...

 

[maoro2013]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

It is illuminating that no one, supporter or detractor alike, believes that the 'verdict' will be based on the law.

 

Every comment, positive or negative, seeks to divine the answer based on what is politically expedient.

 

Speaks volumes...

 

Exactly. I wonder if exonerated her assets will be returned. I really wonder at what happens here, seize the assets of the defendant  prior to being 'proven' guilty. Strange system.

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, maoro2013 said:

Exactly. I wonder if exonerated her assets will be returned. I really wonder at what happens here, seize the assets of the defendant  prior to being 'proven' guilty. Strange system.

Not at all so strange.   Note that below that both words Seize and Freeze are used in the same article .  Freezing accounts and assets is common in all countries if theft is suspected to prevent hiding or moving stolen assets or assets bought with stolen funds.   Unsophisticated translation or reporting could easily be the culprit.    Her actions cost the country  over 500 billion.  She is lucky they are only trying for restitution of 35 billion.  

 

 

Meanwhile, Somchai Ngamwongchon, the Central Administrative Court’s spokesperson, said the Finance Ministry had submitted its written explanation for freezing Yingluck’s bank accounts as part of the government’s civil liability lawsuit against the ex-premier.

 

Yingluck earlier sought a court injunction on the government’s seizure of her bank accounts and other assets.

 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

It is illuminating that no one, supporter or detractor alike, believes that the 'verdict' will be based on the law.

 

Every comment, positive or negative, seeks to divine the answer based on what is politically expedient.

 

Speaks volumes...

 

 

Don't think that's the case. The comments are around what a likely punishment will be, should the verdict be guilty.

 

Before all the Shin luvvies start frothing, bear in mind an ex judge said this week that acquital was more than likely.

 

It's the punishment they'll seek to make politically expedient should she be found guilty.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Baerboxer

[binjalin]

On 8/16/2017 at 4:01 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

If the verdict is guilty, then an extended ban from politics, seizing of the assets as previously commenced, and perhaps some form of suspended sentence perhaps.

 

That way, internally they've made her loose face and been seen to punish her whereas externally after some initial comments and coverage it would likely quickly blow over. Neither would want foreign journalists digging around.

 

Or maybe they'll come up with a more clever solution.

Ah so you admit they are 'coming up with a solution' rather than any justice?  that's progress from you thank you.

[binjalin]

19 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Don't think that's the case. The comments are around what a likely punishment will be, should the verdict be guilty.

 

Before all the Shin luvvies start frothing, bear in mind an ex judge said this week that acquital was more than likely.

 

It's the punishment they'll seek to make politically expedient should she be found guilty.

The ex judge was commenting what is the OBVIOUS that there should be an acquittal but this is a political case nothing to do with justice, right and wrong or RICE. 

[Dave67]

On 16/08/2017 at 7:12 AM, HungWell said:

Can't see it happening that way. Yingluck in jail is the juntas worst nightmare. Not only would it cause outrage inside Thailand, there is no way that a former elected Prime Minister getting tossed in jail by a junta would not draw an awful lot of criticism and possibly sanctions by the free country's of the world. Can the judges concoct a verdict that somehow strips her of her assets but allows her to walk free - that's what they'll be trying for.

The Don would probably give his words of wisdom "There were two sides who had some very bad people, not Just the far right Junta extremists"

[Dave67]

I'd say that such a complexed politically sensitive case is only taking the judges 10 days to give their verdict is sign that the decision has already been made, either way

[greenchair]

On 8/17/2017 at 7:45 AM, maoro2013 said:

Exactly. I wonder if exonerated her assets will be returned. I really wonder at what happens here, seize the assets of the defendant  prior to being 'proven' guilty. Strange system.

Not only were her assets siezed before she has been found guilty. 

The verdict for her case of knowing about corruption of government to government deals, and not doing anything will be passed before anyone has even been convicted of alleged schemes . 

We are all scratching our heads.