Red-shirt crackdown: Supreme Court agrees no grounds for suing Abhisit, Suthep

[Dave67]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes but this bloodshed would not have happened without the blackshirts firing at the army.. guess who should be tried for that. To put the blame here on Abisith and Suthep alone while ignoring the leader of the blackshirts who were brought in to cause violence and attack the army making them respond.. that person is at least 50% guilty too. 

 

Then those blackshirts fired with the same weapons the army did.. bit hard to say the army was responsible for it all while the blackshirts had the same kind of weapons. 

Mate, there is no excuse for opening up with guns up on crowd of your own people

Edited August 31, 2017 by Dave67

[seajae]

2 hours ago, YetAnother said:

interesting logic; guess govt officials get a free pass; and , please, why dont these judges just wear their yellow shirts 

suggest you read why it was upheld in the first place, no favouratism at all, the DSI did not have the legal right to instigate the charges so there was no choice but to dismiss it, simply a matter of law but dont let the truth get in the way of your biased views

[halloween]

Just now, Happyman58 said:

He knew he was getting off Look at his face His face just said i just got away with murder Hehe. Often wonder what the verdict would of been if the Prime Minister of that time was a red shirt and ordered the crackdown of anti government protesters The law is the biggest joke here Whats 90 lives They are buried and forgotten 

Do you have short term memory loss? It was only a couple of weeks and already you are trying to rewrite history.

[natway09]

Sense has prevailed.

Someone had to stop the anarchy

[greenchair]

Everything is going smoothly. 

Larry, Harry, and marry. 

It's going to be great. 

[jayboy]

14 minutes ago, halloween said:

But, but but, isn't that business as usual, or do you only make that exception for Shinawatras? Haven't you claimed that a corrupt policeman who went from B50 million in debt to billionaire through one corrupt transaction is not a criminal?

I don't excuse anyone.Your idols often make a fortune on the basis of tiny salaries.Thaksin, for all his faults, actually generated businesses of benefit to stakeholders.

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Mate, there is no excuse for opening up with guns up on crowd of your own people

There is no excuse for having armed fighters open fire on the army from within the protesters. Did you expect the army not to fire back. Don't bring guns and armed fighters to your protests and you won't get shot at.. not hard at all.. but it is for violent red shirts.. you know the guys that were told to drive over people and burn BKK. These guys were incited by their leaders to violence.. the army came and took control (and make errors during this) but this is certainly up two two sides that it went tits up. But again red supporters will never admit to such  truths. 

[AloisAmrein]

"Justice" in Thailand.

[halloween]

7 minutes ago, jayboy said:

I don't excuse anyone.Your idols often make a fortune on the basis of tiny salaries.Thaksin, for all his faults, actually generated businesses of benefit to stakeholders.

The great benefactor! Is that hard to do when someone hands you billions of dollars worth of monopoly for free? Could it be that those stakeholders were the same people who gave him, and themselves, that billion dollar monopoly?

In fact, could that mobile phone monopoly have been given to a government company, and then the people of Thailand would have been the stakeholders? Should they feel robbed, or take your lead and accept corruption as business as usual?

[osandpo]

The Supreme Court is deciding on a procedural legal matter only and not whether they were guilty or not.

The DSI screwed up in its eagerness to please the newly elected government. 

 

 

[Becker]

59 minutes ago, halloween said:

It is Thaksin's SOP to suborn the police with bribes and nepotism. Tarit, the man responsible for lodging the case was fired for having B100 million of assets acquired with no legitimate explanation, and later jailed for two years for demoting a subordinate who objected to his actions.

 

And yet, we have some here would claim he is a paragon of virtue. So where does a corrupt copper get B100 million while performing as a Thaksin lickspittle?

Indeed. And where do the generals get their 100's of millions of Baht? Too bad no one is allowed to investigate, right?

[maxpower]

23 minutes ago, halloween said:

In fact, could that mobile phone monopoly have been given to a government company, and then the people of Thailand would have been the stakeholders? Should they feel robbed, or take your lead and accept corruption as business as usual?

And in 2017 would still be operating on 1G.

[thongplay]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

No connection has been made... with Thaksin but with the redshirts and we know who funds the redshirts. Just because you cant legally prove something does not mean its not true. 

If you can't prove it then maybe it is true - or maybe not.

[ianf]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes and the red shirts shot and killed their own people with bullets from the military. 

Yes Eric. Precisely what happened in some of the cases.

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, robblok said:

There is no excuse for having armed fighters open fire on the army from within the protesters. Did you expect the army not to fire back. Don't bring guns and armed fighters to your protests and you won't get shot at.. not hard at all.. but it is for violent red shirts.. you know the guys that were told to drive over people and burn BKK. These guys were incited by their leaders to violence.. the army came and took control (and make errors during this) but this is certainly up two two sides that it went tits up. But again red supporters will never admit to such  truths. 

No excuse to shoot to kill 90 civilians including nurse and reporters and injured 2,000. Who gave the authorization to use live rounds. Your misplaced logic don't negate the disproportionate force was used and the authorization to use live rounds was criminal. Not too worry, these establishment folks are protected and shielded from any prosecution by the judiciary. 

[Sydebolle]

Maybe it is time to rewrite certain paragraphs in the law books of Thailand. 

It is ridiculous how grown-ups sue other grown-ups over face, face-saving, face-losing and if everything else goes wrong then they file a case about insulting the higher ups. 

You will not get this country into the 21st century if you keep behaving like a bunch of youngsters in the big nursery called ..... Thailand! 

[paddyfield7]

3 hours ago, Bannoi said:

It's all just a game Suthep should have been locked up a long time ago and the key thrown away but it's never going to happen.

 

While there is a tiny minority that control the armed forces and judiciary feel they have a god given right to govern Thailand and are prepared to use any means available to them to achieve it there will never be any real peace or reconciliation.

 

In Thailand everything changes yet everything stays the same.

 

 

I entirely agree with your views, I see it exactly likewise. It would also have been o.k. if Chitpas went to jail with Suthep, as she was a not much less instigator. But there we are back to money again.....

[halloween]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

No excuse to shoot to kill 90 civilians including nurse and reporters and injured 2,000. Who gave the authorization to use live rounds. Your misplaced logic don't negate the disproportionate force was used and the authorization to use live rounds was criminal. Not too worry, these establishment folks are protected and shielded from any prosecution by the judiciary. 

Why do you continually post false figures re 2010? The investigation by Tarit, with all associated bias, concluded 12 people were killed by the red/black shirts and 53 deaths were were deemed inconclusive.

[LannaGuy]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

Why do you continually post false figures re 2010? The investigation by Tarit, with all associated bias, concluded 12 people were killed by the red/black shirts and 53 deaths were were deemed inconclusive.

ah 53  'inconclusives'  

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2017 by LannaGuy

[halloween]

39 minutes ago, Becker said:

Indeed. And where do the generals get their 100's of millions of Baht? Too bad no one is allowed to investigate, right?

Despite an obvious ploy to sidetrack the topic, yes I agree. OTOH at the moment they are doing a great job and no blatant instances of corruption are occurring AFAIK. If you know of any multi-billion baht thefts or blatant corruption as displayed by the Shinatras, let us all know and i am sure many of their supporters will call for their prosecution.

OTOH, let's stick to the topic and the case brought by a bent copper to achieve his master's political goals. You may remember, this case was the basis of  the claim Abhisit et al were murderers, during the last election.

[candide]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

The DSI is appointed by the government? Where did you get that diamond?

"The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) is a department of the Ministry of Justice of Thailand. It operates independently of the Royal Thai Police and is tasked with the investigation of certain "special cases". These include complex criminal cases, those affecting national security, those involving organised criminal organisations and those potentially implicating high-ranking government officials or police officers.

The DSI is often referred to as Thailand's counterpart to the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).^[1] Since its inception, the DSI has seen conflicts with the police over jurisdiction and authority over cases, and department officials have publicly expressed concern that the department's work has been consistently subject to political interference.^"  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Special_Investigation

Isn't the DIS chief appointed by the government or did I misunderstood it?

For example it is written here that Tarit was appointed by the government:

http://www.bangkoknation.com/news/opinion/letter_to_editor/30313366

[AloisAmrein]

14 minutes ago, halloween said:

Why do you continually post false figures re 2010? The investigation by Tarit, with all associated bias, concluded 12 people were killed by the red/black shirts and 53 deaths were were deemed inconclusive.

Where from you have you the certainty that they where killed by the red shirts? The black shirts were agents provocateur from the government and the yellow shirts, meaning ordered killers.

[halloween]

4 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

ah 53  'inconclusives' 

Yes, you have to wonder how they felt being shot from behind by those allegedly there to 'defend' them. it was a very strange form of defence, shooting at armed soldiers to elicit return fire, and then when the assault against their camp came, nowhere to be found.

 

I have to wonder if they would appreciate being the subject of your humour?

[halloween]

7 minutes ago, AloisAmrein said:

Where from you have you the certainty that they where killed by the red shirts? The black shirts were agents provocateur from the government and the yellow shirts, meaning ordered killers.

" The DSI also found that at least 12 people died as a result of the actions of members of the red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). However, Mr Tarit said that investigators could not yet determine who was responsible for the other 52 deaths."

 

Stop drinking the red KoolAid, it rots your brain.

[halloween]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

Isn't the DIS chief appointed by the government or did I misunderstood it?

For example it is written here that Tarit was appointed by the government:

http://www.bangkoknation.com/news/opinion/letter_to_editor/30313366

The dept head is appointed, under Thaksinist governments with any available relative or someone open to bribery. The rest of the dept is part of the DoJ and try to remain independent, which is why Tarit is jailed for 2 years for illegally demoting a subordinate not so morally malleable.

[AloisAmrein]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

" The DSI also found that at least 12 people died as a result of the actions of members of the red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). However, Mr Tarit said that investigators could not yet determine who was responsible for the other 52 deaths."

 

Stop drinking the red KoolAid, it rots your brain.

Stop publishing lies of the government propaganda.

[jayboy]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

" The DSI also found that at least 12 people died as a result of the actions of members of the red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). However, Mr Tarit said that investigators could not yet determine who was responsible for the other 52 deaths."

 

Stop drinking the red KoolAid, it rots your brain.

It's this kind of language that makes you irrelevant.

[sjaak327]

Disgraceful display of propaganda and other nonsense, the army had no place there, and the people that put them there should certainly be held accountable. The usual suspects screaming bloody murder and demanding justice as long as the surname is Shinawatra,. are once again showing themselves to be utterly hypocritical, because no justice or accountability is needed when the other side is concerned. You know who you are, disgraceful and quite frankly beyond comprehension. I wonder if the likes of Halloween and co are not ashamed about so much nonsense and bias ? 

 

Probably not, speaks volumes about the persons concerned. They are not to be taken seriously. 

 

There is AMPLE and independent evidence, that the army way overstepped their boundaries, no need to rehearse government propaganda. Time to take action. It took them less then a few years to get Yingluck, yet the two idiots responsible for the murder of over 90 Thai citizens are yet to be held accountable. 

Edited August 31, 2017 by sjaak327

[halloween]

1 minute ago, AloisAmrein said:

Stop publishing lies of the government propaganda.

Let me put this simply. This man, Tarit is one of the prime subjects of this thread. His veracity in lodging the case against Abhisit is the basis of the red case of court bias, Yet you think he is a liar promoting government propaganda, so obviously the case against Abhisit is unsubstantiated, as decided by the court.

[amdy2206]

Talk about a 'One Sided Government'. Everything for those on the side of 'The So Called Elite', which will obe day, hopefully soon, be the downfall of the country. The ordinary people will then be landed with the task of repairing all the damage these HISO have done while raping the country of its revenue to support themselves. The soober the better.