Violent crime rises in Germany and is attributed to refugees

[CG1 Blue]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

19 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

yet the photo of a kid lying dead in the same position after the Las Ramblas terror attack is nowhere to be seen?

Cause unacceptable in Western media outlets due to respect for the dead and family

But why was it acceptable for western media outlets to show the body of Alan Kurdi?

[simple1]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

But why was it acceptable for western media outlets to show the body of Alan Kurdi?

No legal restraint / politisation.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, p414 said:

sharia will become law of the land in democratic countries.The ballot box and 'birthrights' will see to that..Every muslim with the vote will vote whatever their iman tells them to..Alrewady in england muslims have the deciding vote in many elections.[a muslim is the lord mayor of london]..to see what islam will bring you  youtube 'with open gates'.

 

 

Other than in your imagination, the scaremongering prediction is unlikely to become reality. In all probability there will be greater representation for immigrants/Muslims, but for the nonsense some spew here the figures are still off, and so does the supposition that all current and future immigrants/Muslims strive for the same cause. I don't think there's a general wish among them to replicate their lands of origin in their host lands. That some do support this doesn't make it an all encompassing notion.

 

 

[yogi100]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Other than in your imagination, the scaremongering prediction is unlikely to become reality. In all probability there will be greater representation for immigrants/Muslims, but for the nonsense some spew here the figures are still off, and so does the supposition that all current and future immigrants/Muslims strive for the same cause. I don't think there's a general wish among them to replicate their lands of origin in their host lands. That some do support this doesn't make it an all encompassing notion.

 

 

It seems that  more of them support it than do not.

 

There are already more active mosques in the UK than there are active churches and many more Muslims worship in them than there are Christians who still attend church. It's all happened in the last 3 or 4 decades!

 

Those who do not see what's taking place can easily dismiss it and to them it's out of sight and out of mind. But as a native Londoner I can assure you it's what is happening.

 

That undercover TV program about what was preached at the main mosque in London should give even the most dedicated liberal Englishman or woman cause for concern.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

True, but IMO the hypocrisy / right wing politisation is unacceptable

 

There's that, and then there are unrealistic expectations that the public would follow this or that set of ideals, corresponding to posters' views. I think that some of the prevalent negative sentiment can be accounted for Merkel's handling of the crisis and related issues. Unless mistaken, one of the links you posted makes repeated use of the word "hubris", in this regard.

 

There is no way to dismiss Merkel's (and by association, her party and political allies) responsibility for how things panned out. It's all very well pointing out flaws having to do with the EU, UN and the international community as a whole, but Merkel was, and is, a major player on these arenas, and a dominant force when it came to the refugee crisis. 

 

 

 

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

It seems that  more of them support it than do not.

 

There are already more active mosques in the UK than there are active churches and many more Muslims worship in them than there are Christians who still attend church. It's all happened in the last 3 or 4 decades!

 

Those who do not see what's taking place can easily dismiss it and to them it's out of sight and out of mind. But as a native Londoner I can assure you it's what is happening.

 

That undercover TV program about what was preached at the main mosque in London should give even the most dedicated liberal Englishman or woman cause for concern.

 

It seems that you are making things up based on the usual biased sources often cited by people sharing the same politics. Attending prayers and sermons is not synonymous with having extreme views. The same goes for not attending such - some of TVF's own extremists are self professed atheists. It is not denied that there are those immigrants and Muslims who do support such views. Just that it is not demonstrated that these are accepted by all, or even the majority of the public in question.

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, p414 said:

sharia will become law of the land in democratic countries.The ballot box and 'birthrights' will see to that..Every muslim with the vote will vote whatever their iman tells them to..Alrewady in england muslims have the deciding vote in many elections.[a muslim is the lord mayor of london]..to see what islam will bring you  youtube 'with open gates'.

 

It's not just sharia or Islam specifically, but "ethnic-based voting" which is replacing idea/policy based voting, generally.  The "winner" is a coalition of ethnics, who then pilfer / transfer-wealth / oppress the losers.

[jenny2017]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Other than in your imagination, the scaremongering prediction is unlikely to become reality. In all probability there will be greater representation for immigrants/Muslims, but for the nonsense some spew here the figures are still off, and so does the supposition that all current and future immigrants/Muslims strive for the same cause. I don't think there's a general wish among them to replicate their lands of origin in their host lands. That some do support this doesn't make it an all encompassing notion.

 

 

And to top that you've got Erdogan trying almost all to become a European member country. That's beyond anybody's imagination. 

[The manic]

2 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

And to top that you've got Erdogan trying almost all to become a European member country. That's beyond anybody's imagination. 

https://codastory.com/migration-crisis/integration-issues/german-employment-program-for-refugees-pays-one-euro-an-hour-sometimes-less/

To say nothing of providing dirt cheap labour undercutting German Man and women workers. The work of Monster Merkel and the EU.

[jenny2017]

6 minutes ago, The manic said:

https://codastory.com/migration-crisis/integration-issues/german-employment-program-for-refugees-pays-one-euro-an-hour-sometimes-less/

To say nothing of providing dirt cheap labour undercutting German Man and women workers. The work of Monster Merkel and the EU.

Sorry, but I've heard that these so called "one Euro" jobs are also given to jobless Germans. 

 

   Almost all of my family members had tax offices and that's how i know how they run their Doenershops, without paying taxes forever.

 

      The first Abdul starts the business, one year tax free. After one year Ahmed, a relative takes over. Again one year without paying tax. And that goes on and on and on. They laugh about these dumb Germans who don't get it. And I've heard a few, not only one saying that all German women are whores. Enough. 

Edited January 8, 2018 by jenny2017

[DILLIGAD]

Sorry, but I've heard that these so called "one Euro" jobs are also given to jobless Germans. 
 
   Almost all of my family members had tax offices and that's how i know how they run their Doenershops, without paying taxes forever.
 
      The first Abdul starts the business, one year tax free. After one year Ahmed, a relative takes over. Again one year without paying tax. And that goes on and on and on. They laugh about these dumb Germans who don't get it. And I've heard a few, not only one saying that all German women are whores. Enough. 

Sounds like your lot need a ‘Gerexit’ Kapitan Jenny!!!!


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[Ron19]

Off topic post removed, please keep on topic.

" Violent crime rises in Germany and is attributed to refugees "

[simple1]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

 

There's that, and then there are unrealistic expectations that the public would follow this or that set of ideals, corresponding to posters' views. I think that some of the prevalent negative sentiment can be accounted for Merkel's handling of the crisis and related issues. Unless mistaken, one of the links you posted makes repeated use of the word "hubris", in this regard.

 

There is no way to dismiss Merkel's (and by association, her party and political allies) responsibility for how things panned out. It's all very well pointing out flaws having to do with the EU, UN and the international community as a whole, but Merkel was, and is, a major player on these arenas, and a dominant force when it came to the refugee crisis. 

 

I have not dismissed Merkel government responsibilities. Just providing a bigger picture which all the right of centre posters ignore, plus many with outright falsehoods.

[superal]

8 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

Sorry, but I've heard that these so called "one Euro" jobs are also given to jobless Germans. 

 

   Almost all of my family members had tax offices and that's how i know how they run their Doenershops, without paying taxes forever.

 

      The first Abdul starts the business, one year tax free. After one year Ahmed, a relative takes over. Again one year without paying tax. And that goes on and on and on. They laugh about these dumb Germans who don't get it. And I've heard a few, not only one saying that all German women are whores. Enough. 

I assume that this is not an EC law ? So basically the family business is paying zero tax from its profits and the employees will be declaring they are earning too little to pay tax .  Mostly a cash only customer transaction and not easy to prove the shops profits .  So making no contribution to the country , just taking only . Maybe you should all jump on the bandwagon instead of subsidizing these cheats by way of paying your taxes .

[overherebc]

On 04/01/2018 at 8:55 AM, simple1 said:

I for one try to establish facts as demonstrated by the links I provided. You and your clique unequivocally support far right propaganda and often source their terminology. Accordingly IMHO you and your fellow travellers are the ones with 'something wrong', plus act contrary to the advise of our national security agencies.

If I see a duck walking down the street I think 'there's a duck'

I don't google 'government and local authorities information and statistics on street walking ducks'

If I did I would most likely be presented with facts and figures on 'ducks don't walk down the streets' and may end up thinking it wasn't really a duck.

All these figures, percentages etc presented for public consumption are carefully constructed to keep people occupied while the governments quietly enrich themselves.

Will it change in the future, who knows?

Nothing the general public can do about it so why bother yourself with it.

Beats me why some get all uptight bitter and twisted over something they have no control over.

[Opl]

It all starts with human trafficking, no doubt that migrant smugglers cohort with other criminal organizations and  develop their network in refugees welcoming countries with open boundaries.

 

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If I see a duck walking down the street I think 'there's a duck'

I don't google 'government and local authorities information and statistics on street walking ducks'

If I did I would most likely be presented with facts and figures on 'ducks don't walk down the streets' and may end up thinking it wasn't really a duck.

All these figures, percentages etc presented for public consumption are carefully constructed to keep people occupied while the governments quietly enrich themselves.

Will it change in the future, who knows?

Nothing the general public can do about it so why bother yourself with it.

Beats me why some get all uptight bitter and twisted over something they have no control over.

Conspiracy and end of the world posts are just so much blah, blah, blah

Edited January 9, 2018 by simple1

[dick dasterdly]

35 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If I see a duck walking down the street I think 'there's a duck'

I don't google 'government and local authorities information and statistics on street walking ducks'

If I did I would most likely be presented with facts and figures on 'ducks don't walk down the streets' and may end up thinking it wasn't really a duck.

All these figures, percentages etc presented for public consumption are carefully constructed to keep people occupied while the governments quietly enrich themselves.

Will it change in the future, who knows?

Nothing the general public can do about it so why bother yourself with it.

Beats me why some get all uptight bitter and twisted over something they have no control over.

"If I see a duck walking down the street I think 'there's a duck'

I don't google 'government and local authorities information and statistics on street walking ducks'

If I did I would most likely be presented with facts and figures on 'ducks don't walk down the streets' and may end up thinking it wasn't really a duck.

All these figures, percentages etc presented for public consumption are carefully constructed to keep people occupied while the governments quietly enrich themselves."

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, superal said:

foreigners who are taking jobs at a lower rate

Note you didn't respond to my comments. However, who is actually offering below minimum wage jobs - guarantee many German nationals engage in this activity - Yes, likely to be a contributing factor to street violence, theft etc

[superal]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Note you didn't respond to my comments. However, who is actually offering below minimum wage jobs - guarantee many German nationals engage in this activity - Yes, likely to be a contributing factor to street violence, theft etc

and I note that you have received little support or replies to most of your many posts , wonder why ?

But you do agree on the undercutting of wages to newly admitted foreign labour . I have a niece who is the manageress of an employment bureau . Her director makes visits to Poland on recruitment missions . The new workers are brought back to the UK together and work as a team . Thats where the fiddling starts by manipulating labour numbers and weekly invoices . The contractor is happy ,to be paying low rates  and the Polish workers who although being paid below the government basic wage are more than doubling their normal Polish wage . Happening around Europe and very difficult to  prove . I argued with my niece that they are stealing UK jobs but she defended her bosses strategy saying they are good workers and its dog eats dog in this world , pity she could not say that to all the service guys who sacrificed their lives to keep the UK free . 

[simple1]

16 minutes ago, superal said:

and I note that you have received little support or replies to most of your many posts , wonder why ?

yeah I know - it's lonely standing out from the crowd

[oldhippy]

Aahhh if successive conservative governments in UK and Europe had not annihilated the power of the trade unions, all this would not be happening!

It's back to the 19th century!

At long last something brexiteers, remainers and Europeans can agree on.....

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2018 by oldhippy
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[Ron19]

An off topic post has been removed.

[The manic]

6 hours ago, oldhippy said:

No, the work of the right wingers that just about abolished the trade unions.

Though admittedly, the trade unions made extensive use of their self destruct button...

 

In Germany? Destructive Trade Unions? Not at all. They were never infiltrated by communist like the the UK and European Unions. The high productivity rate of the German Work force is attributable to to the way the way the TUs worked with management, pioneered company share schemes etc. The policy of paying immigrants low wages comes from Monster Merkel and is being sold as a integration policy. Do keep up old chap. The EU has always been about providing cheap labour  to multi corporations and small factories although it was disguised as a freedom of movement. Immigrant always drive down the wages of the indigenous people.

Edited January 9, 2018 by The manic

[oldhippy]

9 minutes ago, The manic said:

In Germany? Destructive Trade Unions? Not at all. They were never infiltrated by communist like the the UK and European Unions. The high productivity rate of the German Work force is attributable to to the way the way the TUs worked with management, pioneered company share schemes etc. The policy of paying immigrants low wages comes from Monster Merkel and is being sold as a integration policy. Do keep up old chap. The EU has always been about providing cheap labour  to multi corporations and small factories although it was disguised as a freedom of movement. Immigrant always drive down the wages of the indigenous people.

You are sooooooooo confused.

I don't know where to start answering you.

And don't call me chap. I'm not British. OK jongetje?

[oldhippy]

On 04/01/2018 at 2:34 PM, The manic said:

It's neutral government study that links immigration to crime. But we didn't need the study. We knew.

Since when do you believe in neutral government studies - from Germany?

555

You believe only what suits you!

And you like to keep things simple - no, simplistic is the word.

Typical for the NS PC - New Style Politically Correct.

Exactly as dumb as the Old Style Politically Correct.

 

We will never be able to stop immigration, with so much injustice and poverty at our doorsteps.

And they have TV and Facebook too...

Who / what is to blame? It does not matter, as the problem will not go away.

It would make more sense not to enlarge the inevitable problems, but to look for solutions.

The world is changing, like it or not.

But of course it is so much easier to see things as black <> white, and hysterically blame "the" immigrants or the lefties or the EU.

 

 

 

[simple1]

7 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Since when do you believe in neutral government studies - from Germany?

555

You believe only what suits you!

And you like to keep things simple - no, simplistic is the word.

Typical for the NS PC - New Style Politically Correct.

Exactly as dumb as the Old Style Politically Correct.

 

We will never be able to stop immigration, with so much injustice and poverty at our doorsteps.

And they have TV and Facebook too...

Who / what is to blame? It does not matter, as the problem will not go away.

It would make more sense not to enlarge the inevitable problems, but to look for solutions.

The world is changing, like it or not.

But of course it is so much easier to see things as black <> white, and hysterically blame "the" immigrants or the lefties or the EU.

 

Some truth to your comments which will never be acknowledged by the usual clique. Of interest / relevance is the news item below.

 

More than 600,000 displaced Syrians returned home in the first seven months of 2017, the United Nations migration agency and partners have found.

 

Findings by the International Organization for Migration (IOM) and partners indicatethat 84 per cent of the people returning had been displaced within Syria, and the rest returned from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. Refugees returning from Turkey and Jordan reportedly returned mainly to Aleppo and Al Hasakeh Governorates.

 

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=57340

Edited January 10, 2018 by simple1

[metisdead]

More off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[DILLIGAD]

You are sooooooooo confused.
I don't know where to start answering you.
And don't call me chap. I'm not British. OK jongetje?

Chap mean the same as ‘guy’ so not location specific, padre!


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[DILLIGAD]

You are sooooooooo confused.
I don't know where to start answering you.
And don't call me chap. I'm not British. OK jongetje?

Chap mean the same as ‘guy’ so not location specific, padre!


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