Violent crime rises in Germany and is attributed to refugees

[johna]

Sweden investigates soaring number of rapes as politicians demand to know if it is linked to migration after one in 24 women fall victim to sexual offence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5250755/Sweden-investigates-soaring-number-rapes.html

[oldhippy]

31 minutes ago, johna said:

Sweden investigates soaring number of rapes as politicians demand to know if it is linked to migration after one in 24 women fall victim to sexual offence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5250755/Sweden-investigates-soaring-number-rapes.html

Thank you so very very much for that link.

 

I particularly enjoyed some other articles in that same "newspaper" link:

A Kardashian story, Michelle Williams (who?) flaunting a diamond ring, 2 Big Brother stories, braless Anna Friel turns sexy grid girl as she parades her age defying figure in tiny unzipped satin playsuit.

And believe it or not, there is plenty more similarly world shocking news in that link.

 

More, more, provide more links like this.

 

[MaeJoMTB]

12 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

braless Anna Friel turns sexy grid girl as she parades her age defying figure in tiny unzipped satin playsuit.

 

Instantly clicks link .................

[Morch]

On 1/8/2018 at 7:12 PM, JackThompson said:

It's not just sharia or Islam specifically, but "ethnic-based voting" which is replacing idea/policy based voting, generally.  The "winner" is a coalition of ethnics, who then pilfer / transfer-wealth / oppress the losers.

 

Bloc voting, interest groups and sectarianism have always been present in democratic systems. 

[Morch]

On 1/8/2018 at 8:49 PM, jenny2017 said:

And to top that you've got Erdogan trying almost all to become a European member country. That's beyond anybody's imagination. 

 

And that's not about to happen, so why go for irrelevant scaremongering.

[Rimmer]

An off topic post has been removed, religion vs IQ has nothing to do with this topic

[JackThompson]

31 minutes ago, Morch said:

Bloc voting, interest groups and sectarianism have always been present in democratic systems. 

Less of an issue in countries with less "diverse" populations, or where ideas dominate, per the Western enlightenment model.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Less of an issue in countries with less "diverse" populations, or where ideas dominate, per the Western enlightenment model.

 

I don't think it matters all that much whether bloc voting, interest groups and sectarianism are related to ethnic, religious or ideological divisions. Amounts to the same thing. That people may object the emergence of a new force is another thing. And as posted elsewhere, I do believe that these matters will become a problematic issue in the not too far future. Within a multiparty coalition based system, such sectarian forces do not necessarily need a majority in order to promote goals and ideas.

 

 

[JackThompson]

36 minutes ago, Morch said:

I don't think it matters all that much whether bloc voting, interest groups and sectarianism are related to ethnic, religious or ideological divisions. Amounts to the same thing. That people may object the emergence of a new force is another thing. And as posted elsewhere, I do believe that these matters will become a problematic issue in the not too far future. Within a multiparty coalition based system, such sectarian forces do not necessarily need a majority in order to promote goals and ideas.

You can change someone's mind with reason/logic - economic-systems, for example.  These can change for individuals over time.

 

You cannot change people's "ethnic identity," however - so if they identify/vote by ethnicity instead of nationality, the "divide and conquer" mold is set. 

 

Religion is also a tougher-nut, in that it is based on what people are taught before they have logic/reason capabilities.  The nature of the religion's teachings is crucial, as to when/if there is respect for members of other religions.  In the context of this thread, are "scantily-dressed* women (*-subjective) not accompanied by a male relative" fair-game for rape? 

If the dominant-group in a state believes in freedom for the others, and the minority groups respect the majority's right to exist as the majority, and are accepting of their power-level and opportunities, this can work.   Malaysia is a close-call, in this category - currently operational.  But the intelligence-apparatus of a major Western nation could probably kick Malaysia into civil-war with $1-Billion USD or less in propaganda, paid-protester / criminal-mob spending - far less than was spent to splinter Ukraine, for instance (Ambassador Nuland was caught on wire-tap admitting $8 Bn was spent to manufacture that coup).

A dictator like Tito, Kadaffi, or Assad can create a functioning state, by ensuring, at a minimum, that one group cannot attack/rob/kill the others with impunity - somewhat like a coalition, but without meaningful elections at the national-level, which could lead to group-activism and splintering.  Inter-group fighting is crushed from the top.

 

But when Tito died, and Yugoslavia refused to give up its state-assets to "privatization," members of different groups who had lived peacefully side-by-side, and even intermarried, were easily driven to killing each other, so that transnational corporations could feast on the carcasses of the rump-states which resulted, and the re-invigorated cold-war battle-lines (Western neo-con agenda) could be drawn closer to Russia. 

Where the majority / minority groups don't respect the others sufficiently, or can be driven apart easily, a "balkanization" scheme to create new more homogenous states, or or re-migration / re-patriation scheme to re-instate the previous demographic conditions, may be the only path to peace.

Edited January 10, 2018 by JackThompson

[jenny2017]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

And that's not about to happen, so why go for irrelevant scaremongering.

How do you know? Turks are already in German politics, and more and more Turks live in Germany. Even when 80 % of them live on social welfare.

 

The only problem I see is a geographical one. 95% of Turkey is in Asia. 

[Morch]

 

@JackThompson

 

I'd venture that these topics are a good example of how reason and logic fail to change people's minds. As for "ethnic identity" being constant, unchangeable or automatically superseding other considerations, doubt that's the case. Granted, it takes time (and quite a bit of it), but it's not quite the rock some make of it.

 

The same goes for religion. Not all followers of a faith follow the exact same creed, the exact same ways. Some take their religion more seriously than others, some are just nominally or socially associated with their supposed religion.

 

I'm not denying that there are issues with this. Just think that pressing the panic button or deciding that the sky is about to fall is unwarranted. Not that things should be ignored, but not over hyped, sensationalized and used for the prevalent scaremongering often evident in these topics.

 

 

[Morch]

53 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

How do you know? Turks are already in German politics, and more and more Turks live in Germany. Even when 80 % of them live on social welfare.

 

The only problem I see is a geographical one. 95% of Turkey is in Asia. 

 

As said, Turkey is not about to Join the EU anytime soon. Regardless of nonsense posted by some posters.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, jenny2017 said:

How do you know? Turks are already in German politics, and more and more Turks live in Germany. Even when 80 % of them live on social welfare.

 

The only problem I see is a geographical one. 95% of Turkey is in Asia. 

Turks are the largest Muslim heritage ethnic group in Australia and are not a cause of concern. BTW 50% of the middle class in Australia pay no tax due to middle class welfare, all receive some form of government welfare; I would assume similar conditions exist in Germany. There must be some underlying government policy / reasons for Turkish Muslim heritage disenfranchisement in Germany. The article below indicates some examples. From my reading most Turks in Germany do not lean towards Islamic conservatism, quite the opposite, especially in the context of the OP.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/turkish-immigration-to-germany-a-sorry-history-of-self-deception-and-wasted-opportunities-a-716067.html

Edited January 10, 2018 by simple1

[Ron19]

Off topic post removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Instantly clicks link .................

She was a babe back in the day, so I won't spoil the memory by looking at her aging body now.

It behooves all of us that do like "babes" to realise that the eventual outcome of allowing hundreds thousands of people from a culture that bans exposing the female body in public to enter and remain will result in banning babes in our countries.

Edited January 11, 2018 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, JackThompson said:

You can change someone's mind with reason/logic - economic-systems, for example.  These can change for individuals over time.

 

You cannot change people's "ethnic identity," however - so if they identify/vote by ethnicity instead of nationality, the "divide and conquer" mold is set. 

 

Religion is also a tougher-nut, in that it is based on what people are taught before they have logic/reason capabilities.  The nature of the religion's teachings is crucial, as to when/if there is respect for members of other religions.  In the context of this thread, are "scantily-dressed* women (*-subjective) not accompanied by a male relative" fair-game for rape? 

If the dominant-group in a state believes in freedom for the others, and the minority groups respect the majority's right to exist as the majority, and are accepting of their power-level and opportunities, this can work.   Malaysia is a close-call, in this category - currently operational.  But the intelligence-apparatus of a major Western nation could probably kick Malaysia into civil-war with $1-Billion USD or less in propaganda, paid-protester / criminal-mob spending - far less than was spent to splinter Ukraine, for instance (Ambassador Nuland was caught on wire-tap admitting $8 Bn was spent to manufacture that coup).

A dictator like Tito, Kadaffi, or Assad can create a functioning state, by ensuring, at a minimum, that one group cannot attack/rob/kill the others with impunity - somewhat like a coalition, but without meaningful elections at the national-level, which could lead to group-activism and splintering.  Inter-group fighting is crushed from the top.

 

But when Tito died, and Yugoslavia refused to give up its state-assets to "privatization," members of different groups who had lived peacefully side-by-side, and even intermarried, were easily driven to killing each other, so that transnational corporations could feast on the carcasses of the rump-states which resulted, and the re-invigorated cold-war battle-lines (Western neo-con agenda) could be drawn closer to Russia. 

Where the majority / minority groups don't respect the others sufficiently, or can be driven apart easily, a "balkanization" scheme to create new more homogenous states, or or re-migration / re-patriation scheme to re-instate the previous demographic conditions, may be the only path to peace.

Far as I can understand your post, you are claiming that corporate interests started the Yugoslav civil war to make even more money and influence.

I don't know if that is true, but I certainly believe it could be.

I can also believe the influx of alien immigrants to Germany, and elsewhere, is driven by corporate interests.

[MaeJoMTB]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She was a babe back in the day, so I won't spoil the memory by looking at her aging body now.

It behooves all of us that do like "babes" to realise that the eventual outcome of allowing hundreds thousands of people from a culture that bans exposing the female body in public to enter and remain will result in banning babes in our countries.

She was good in "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Michelle Pfeiffer.

[Ron19]

Off topic post removed.

[roobaa01]

mr. rindermann a well-known psychologist found most muslim asylum seekers own a low iq of 93 far below european average iq 100 , hence he said they would not stand a chance in german society, hence it led to high criminal figures. the same in austria muslim asylum seekers are 9 times more criminal than native austrians.

 

as for muslim turks in germany most of them like erdogan, hence the follow conservative islam, 70 % of turks favor sharia in germany... in fact muslim turks in germany are a burden to society reflected in the social welfare recipients 2016 figures 300.000.

 

wbr roobaa01

[oldhippy]

43 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

mr. rindermann a well-known psychologist found most muslim asylum seekers own a low iq of 93 far below european average iq 100 , hence he said they would not stand a chance in german society, hence it led to high criminal figures. the same in austria muslim asylum seekers are 9 times more criminal than native austrians.

 

as for muslim turks in germany most of them like erdogan, hence the follow conservative islam, 70 % of turks favor sharia in germany... in fact muslim turks in germany are a burden to society reflected in the social welfare recipients 2016 figures 300.000.

 

wbr roobaa01

QUOTE: in austria muslim asylum seekers are 9 times more criminal than native austrians.

 

However, there was this one criminal native Austrian that statistically outweights tens of thousands of Austrian non native criminals...... Adolf Hitler......

 

On statistical grounds I prefer the muslim non native Austrian criminals.

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

mr. rindermann a well-known psychologist found most muslim asylum seekers own a low iq of 93 far below european average iq 100 , hence he said they would not stand a chance in german society, hence it led to high criminal figures. the same in austria muslim asylum seekers are 9 times more criminal than native austrians.

 

as for muslim turks in germany most of them like erdogan, hence the follow conservative islam, 70 % of turks favor sharia in germany... in fact muslim turks in germany are a burden to society reflected in the social welfare recipients 2016 figures 300.000.

 

wbr roobaa01

Using IQ ratings is a classic method utilised by racists to justify discrimination.

 

How many non Muslim residents are on some form of welfare? However, Germany is “a country of immigration” whose non-native population contributes a net €22 billion a year to the social security system".

 

It is acknowledged asylum seekers, crimes mostly carried out by illegal economic asylum seekers, have a higher probability of committing crime. However, FYI...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime_in_Germany

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2018 by simple1

[roobaa01]

@simple 1  the usual leftwing howling.

 

euro 22 billion well mainly christian russians, polish, spanish......

muslim social welfare recipients condone the mayority turkey 300.000, syrians 500.000 , iraque 135.000, afghans  80.000, somalis, nigerians 20.0000 , lebanese 25.000etc...

 

then there are so called paper german also muslims like turks, lebanese, palesrinians, afghans another roughly 400.0000.

 

then there are these muslim crime syndicates like mziri families kurds and lebanese.

 

wbr

roobaa01

 

wbr

[simple1]

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

@simple 1  the usual leftwing howling.

 

euro 22 billion well mainly christian russians, polish, spanish......

muslim social welfare recipients condone the mayority turkey 300.000, syrians 500.000 , iraque 135.000, afghans  80.000, somalis, nigerians 20.0000 , lebanese 25.000etc...

 

then there are so called paper german also muslims like turks, lebanese, palesrinians, afghans another roughly 400.0000.

 

then there are these muslim crime syndicates like mziri families kurds and lebanese.

 

wbr

roobaa01

 

wbr

Last election I voted for Oz Conservative Party.

 

Point to government stats to support your claims, otherwise just noise. As an example I have provided a link to a prior study from 2010.

 

The 2.5 million individuals of Turkish origin represent roughly 3 percent of the population but more than 6 percent of welfare recipients, which says to me the vast majority of welfare recipients are non Muslim nationals.

 

http://www.laser.uni-erlangen.de/papers/paper/117.pdf

 

Of course organised crime from Muslim heritage groups, but obviously would not be practicing Islam. However, there are non Muslim heritage organised crime groups in German originating from Russia, Italy, UK , Germany etc. Your sole focus on Muslim heritage crime, welfare recipients etc is hate speech. The vast majority of crime is committed by German nationals e.g. 360 domestic murders in one year. You can explore facts at...

 

https://www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/currentinformation_node.html;jsessionid=66D342DAF40E43D9FB3B981DCE49DA03.live0611

Edited January 14, 2018 by simple1

[roobaa01]

@simple1  you are wrong since most violent crimes are comimitted by muslim asylumseekers in germany, thereto in germany crimes are counted in german statistics being conductd by unkown identities as germans. these so called unknown identities are going into the hundreds of thousands.thereto, asylumseekers granted status accepted are not accounted for in the bka statistik.

 

wbr

roobaa01

 

 

[Opl]

One of the problems we do have lies in the % of people of muslim culture ( wathever their nationality, including nationals)  actually in jail compared to the % this culture weighs in the total population. 

And these numbers speak. I can't tell for Germany specifically, but it's a real threat since some of them do radicalize in prison. These are facts.  

This is a failure

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/are-french-prisons-finishing-schools-for-terrorism

 

Edited January 14, 2018 by Opl

[F4UCorsair]

10 hours ago, simple1 said:

Last election I voted for Oz Conservative Party.

 

Point to government stats to support your claims, otherwise just noise. As an example I have provided a link to a prior study from 2010.

 

The 2.5 million individuals of Turkish origin represent roughly 3 percent of the population but more than 6 percent of welfare recipients, which says to me the vast majority of welfare recipients are non Muslim nationals.

 

http://www.laser.uni-erlangen.de/papers/paper/117.pdf

 

Of course organised crime from Muslim heritage groups, but obviously would not be practicing Islam. However, there are non Muslim heritage organised crime groups in German originating from Russia, Italy, UK , Germany etc. Your sole focus on Muslim heritage crime, welfare recipients etc is hate speech. The vast majority of crime is committed by German nationals e.g. 360 domestic murders in one year. You can explore facts at...

 

https://www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/currentinformation_node.html;jsessionid=66D342DAF40E43D9FB3B981DCE49DA03.live0611

 

 

Of course organised crime from Muslim heritage groups, but obviously would not be practicing Islam.

 

I think you're suggesting that if someone is a practising muslim, that he wouldn't be involved in organized crime, or am I misreading your post??   

 

If you are suggesting that, be serious please.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

Of course organised crime from Muslim heritage groups, but obviously would not be practicing Islam.

 

I think you're suggesting that if someone is a practising muslim, that he wouldn't be involved in organized crime, or am I misreading your post??   

 

If you are suggesting that, be serious please.

Drug dealing and other crimes committed by organised crime groups are contrary to Sharia Law. Islam states Muslims must comply to the law of their host countries.

[DILLIGAD]

Drug dealing and other crimes committed by organised crime groups are contrary to Sharia Law. Islam states Muslims must comply to the law of their host countries.

Then why do they change it to Sharia at every opportunity?


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[simple1]

50 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

Then why do they change it to Sharia at every opportunity?
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Why do you think all Muslim heritage people are of the same beliefs/opinion, there are differing Schools of Islamic thought/philosophy, plus those who do not practise Islam.

 

As far as I'm aware not one Western country has implemented any aspect of Sharia Criminal Law. There are aspects of Sharia Civil Law practised, as there is with Jewish Civil law, but overriding is the Western legislated body of law e.g. UK Common Law. There are some Islamic majority countries who have not legislated for Sharia Criminal Law, but increasing pressure is being applied by hardliner clerics. There are various degrees of harshness in implementation of Criminal Sharia Law. I would guess Muslim heritage criminals would not wish to be exposed to the penalties, severe by Western standards, of Sharia Criminal Law.

Edited January 15, 2018 by simple1

[bert bloggs]

On 1/15/2018 at 5:52 AM, simple1 said:

Drug dealing and other crimes committed by organised crime groups are contrary to Sharia Law. Islam states Muslims must comply to the law of their host countries.

Pity so very many of them  don't then ,isn't it?