SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[dundas]

2 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

 

That’s very predictable. 

Tell it like it is means tell it like it is. 

 

 I’ll give you an example of telling it like it is:   Insinuating that white people in government dislike minorities is a very racist comment. 

 

Just curious, do you have something against white people?

 

hahaha, I have nothing against white people, I am white myself, and when I've traveled in the US, I've become aware of just how privileged I am. Nothing against myself! But when I've been there, I've also thanked the universe that I wasn't born in the US, and that I don't have to live in a place where a right wing form of PC is 'tell it like it is.' 'Tell it like it is' no doubt includes such idiotic statements from Trump as 'very fine people on both sides,' instead of calling out white terrorism in Virginia for what it was, and as Jeff Sessions did (almost): 'domestic terrorism.' And by the way, would you like to be black or hispanic and living in a US where Trump supporters (who are mostly white) 'tell it like it is'? 

Edited July 12, 2018 by dundas

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

 

“Go Mueller”

First it is only a charge, not a conviction. Second how does this relate to Russian collusion by Trump? 

 

Because it’s cool? Because we hate Trump? 

Your post makes no sense as a reply to my post or by itself.

[Andaman Al]

12 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

 

“Go Mueller”

First it is only a charge, not a conviction. Second how does this relate to Russian collusion by Trump? 

 

Because it’s cool? Because we hate Trump? 

Absolutely we hate Trump. Unlike you I tend not to court the company of people charged with child sex, people with 17 accusations of sexual harassment (Weinstein has only been charged and people still bay for blood), people who have made a career out of ordering the construction services of others and then simply refusing to pay them or offering a fraction in the dollar as recompense, leading to the victims bankruptcy and ruination, People strongly rumored to be involved with the Mafia in New York, people who are pathological liars and I haven't even started on Trump as President. He really is a most disgusting character and WILL be jailed, but I guess we all support the people we would most like to be like. Carry on supporting the Sex Pest in Chief if you must.

 

As regards Mueller or any other law enforcement agency, if they are investigating a possible crime and uncover evidence of many other crimes are they supposed to say "oh that's nothing to do with us"? They are LAW ENFORCEMENT. Get used to the idea, Trump will go to jail, and by the look on the face of John Kelly at the NATO breakfast yesterday he would gladly lock Trump up himself.

[riclag]

 

5 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

 

That’s very predictable. 

Tell it like it is means tell it like it is. 

 

I’ll give you an example of telling it like it is:   Insinuating that white people in government dislike minorities is a very racist comment. 

 

Just curious, do you have something against white people?

 

The man should continue through his first term ,especially if he holds the majority in the Senate.  I thought the high water mark  for change was in Nov.2016.Many thought the Access Hollywood audio would doom DT .Instead he had the Hispanics ,Blacks ,Whites and Asians Independent voters come out of hiding,the one's that didn't poll for fear of the hysterical haters that were howling at the moon, would attack them. Something tells me those same people won't be putting up Trump/Pence signs up in their yards for fear of having their houses burned down. 2020 MAGA  

Edited July 12, 2018 by riclag

[alocacoc]

And there is the "alleged" child statutory rape by Trump on a 13 yr old girl. Quite a pattern setting up ! Go Mueller go.

Do Dems still hope Mueller will find something? Wow.

I thought Stormy was their last hope. BTW, she got arrested...

Who's next? Tiffy?

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[heybruce]

13 minutes ago, alocacoc said:

Do Dems still hope Mueller will find something? Wow.

I thought Stormy was their last hope. BTW, she got arrested...

Who's next? Tiffy?

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.
 

Do Repubs still think Mueller hasn't found anything?  Wow.

 

You need to keep up on the news.

[alocacoc]

Do Repubs still think Mueller hasn't found anything?  Wow.
 
You need to keep up on the news.

There are no news related to this. Otherwise I would know it.

Don't consume cheap propaganda. Critical thinking. Try it.

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[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, alocacoc said:

There are no news related to this. Otherwise I would know it.

Don't consume cheap propaganda. Critical thinking. Try it.

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.
 

You clearly don't keep up on the news.  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

 

Regarding critical thinking, I'm not sure you know what it means.

[bristolboy]

31 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

The man should continue through his first term ,especially if he holds the majority in the Senate.  I thought the high water mark  for change was in Nov.2016.Many thought the Access Hollywood audio would doom DT .Instead he had the Hispanics ,Blacks ,Whites and Asians Independent voters come out of hiding,the one's that didn't poll for fear of the hysterical haters that were howling at the moon, would attack them. Something tells me those same people won't be putting up Trump/Pence signs up in their yards for fear of having their houses burned down. 2020 MAGA  

What exactly are Hispanic, Black, White, and Asian Independent voters? It seems your definition of an independent voter is someone who votes for Trump. 

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What exactly are Hispanic, Black, White, and Asian Independent voters? It seems your definition of an independent voter is someone who votes for Trump. 

Your American ,you should know what a IV is

[bristolboy]

Just now, riclag said:

Your American ,you should know what a IV is

I'm sure I know. It's you grasp of its meaning that I've got questions about.

[bushdoctor]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

Your post makes no sense as a reply to my post or by itself.

It does if your able to follow the flow of the thread. 

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, heybruce said:

And yet he has unflagging loyalty from the Trumpies.  I don't understand it; maybe it's a cult thing, a desire to live in an alternative reality supported by "alternative facts" (lies), maybe it is a nihilistic urge to undermine a world that they don't think has worked for them.

 

Or maybe they're just very stupid.  He tells endless, obvious lies and the Trumpies cheer.  Are they that clueless?

 

If any Trumpies care to explain, please do. 

 

19 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

 

“Go Mueller”

First it is only a charge, not a conviction. Second how does this relate to Russian collusion by Trump? 

 

Because it’s cool? Because we hate Trump? 

 

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Your post makes no sense as a reply to my post or by itself.

 

34 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

It does if your able to follow the flow of the thread. 

Your post would have made sense if you replied to a post about allegations of child rape by Trump.  However you replied to a post that didn't mention Mueller, convictions or collusion.  So your post made no sense.

[heybruce]

 

5 hours ago, alocacoc said:

Do Dems still hope Mueller will find something? Wow.

I thought Stormy was their last hope. BTW, she got arrested...

Who's next? Tiffy?

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.
 

 

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

You clearly don't keep up on the news.  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

 

Regarding critical thinking, I'm not sure you know what it means.

 

23 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Or perhaps you don’t know what indicted means? 

Do you know what indicted means?  Do you think people are indicted without evidence?

[bristolboy]

Just now, bushdoctor said:

Do you think being indicted is in some way an indication of guilt? 

 

Well generally speaking indicted people are more likely to be convicted of a crime than unindicted ones.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, bushdoctor said:

Do you think being indicted is in some way an indication of guilt? 

 

I was replying to a post that assumed Mueller had found nothing.  Clearly that is incorrect.  Indictments are not issued without evidence strongly suggesting criminal activity.  Plus, two of the twenty people indicted have entered guilty pleas.  That is definitely not "nothing".

[bushdoctor]

The famous quote ....You can indict a ham sandwich comes to mind. The bar for indictments is very low. 

 

Plea deals are common if you don’t want to face the huge costs of defending yourself in court. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by bushdoctor

[heybruce]

20 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

The famous quote ....You can indict a ham sandwich comes to mind. The bar for indictments is very low. 

How many ham sandwiches plead guilty?

 

Trumpies are living in a fantasy if they think Mueller is frivolously indicting close associates of the President with shaky evidence.

Edited July 12, 2018 by heybruce

[Briggsy]

21 hours ago, heybruce said:

If any Trumpies care to explain, please do. 

I am certainly not a Trump supporter.

 

I believe the constant dangling of (non-factual) existential threats by Trump, Fox News, members of the administration to white, poorly-educated Americans from non-whites, foreign countries, liberals, intellectuals, etc...... causes the suspension of all moral codes. An existential threat means anything goes and Trump is the saviour.

 

This is why I believe Trump gets a pass on all sorts of behaviours that would end careers for other elected officials.

 

[Andaman Al]

9 hours ago, alocacoc said:

There are no news related to this. Otherwise I would know it.

Don't consume cheap propaganda. Critical thinking. Try it.

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.
 

Well at least the phone is smart.

[Andaman Al]

I commend all of you that have not been lobotomized by the Trump Organization to really dig into the story and background of Peter Strzok, the guy currently going through a congressional hearing over his tweets about Trump.

 

This guy is a thoroughbred true blue American Hero, if you cut him in half there would be Stars and Stripes in the middle. The counter Insurgency and counter spy Ops that this man has conducted and led are the stuff of novels. Yes he wrote "F*** Trump",  "we will stop him" (also on the end of that which they cut out "we can stop anything") . He wrote these texts during the Republican Convention when then candidate Trump was on stage and had just attacked the Immigrant Gold Star parents. There was nothing political in it. As Strzok says, it was 'disgusting' behavior and worthy of being criticized using expletives whoever would have done/said what Trump did. 

 

If you don't want to google and read just watch the clips below. One by Maddow giving the background to this amazing patriot, and the other is when Strzok responds to Trey Gowdy at the congressional hearing (i have started the vid near the end watch the whole thing if you want to see how disgusting Gowdy is). Strzok is epic!

 

 

 

 

[bushdoctor]

I watched the entire video...Peter Strzok refused to answer questions and in the end is threatened with contempt. He cites FBI “policy” over law. 

Sad. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by bushdoctor

[simple1]

Trump has again been exposed with his unceasing bald faced lies / misinformation, this time his comments to journalists regards the outcome of the Brussels NATO meeting. The facts of the official communique, which was also signed by Trump. 

 

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_156624.htm

 

An excellent example of the Trump Administration efforts to destroy decency and truth in public life is the Peter Strzok enquiry methods by Republicans.

[EVENKEEL]

Dow Jones is ready to bust 25,000. My 401K is back on track. Haven't got time to read all the non sense, I'm inport for a few hours, busy making money and supporting the USNavy. Looks like his plans for NATO nations to pay more worked. Perhaps not the most tactful but it's the results that counts.

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones is ready to bust 25,000. My 401K is back on track. Haven't got time to read all the non sense, I'm inport for a few hours, busy making money and supporting the USNavy. Looks like his plans for NATO nations to pay more worked. Perhaps not the most tactful but it's the results that counts.

No it didn't work. Once again, you've fallen for Trump's version of alternate reality.

"It was a classic Trump performance — bluster, confrontation and demands followed by a unilateral declaration of victory — but his claim was quickly dismissed by the leaders of Italy and France, who disputed that they had made any new pledges for increasing spending, adding to the sense of disarray...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/europe/trump-nato-russia.html

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones is ready to bust 25,000. My 401K is back on track. Haven't got time to read all the non sense, I'm inport for a few hours, busy making money and supporting the USNavy. Looks like his plans for NATO nations to pay more worked. Perhaps not the most tactful but it's the results that counts.

So the DJIA is important to you?  You must have been thrilled with Obama.

[Jingthing]

Any time is always a good time for some hot and juicy impeachment porn.

 

 

 

"Reporter Claims to Have Given Information to the FBI that “Directly Implicates the President”

 

...

A big part of the problem in this case is that highly classified evidence cannot go into the public record (for now), so properly presenting it in court (if at all) is something our justice system has always wrestled with. This is why investigations like this usually hinge on someone on the inside “flipping,” and working with the FBI. From the start of the probe, it was clear that Paul Manafort is Mueller’s central target to flip. If Trump’s former campaign manager decides that he is willing to earnestly cooperate with the Feds, then we will be in a brand-new world, and hopefully closer to one without a President Trump"

 

https://amp.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/07/reporter-claims-to-have-given-information-to-the-f.html

 

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[Andaman Al]

14 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

I watched the entire video...Peter Strzok refused to answer questions and in the end is threatened with contempt. He cites FBI “policy” over law. 

Sad. 

Can you point me to your posts criticizing Jeff Sessions and others for refusing to answer questions claiming 'Executive Privilege' where absolutely non existed. In the video, Trey Gowdy is a true representative of trump, he is a grade A a_sshole. Strzok has quietly, unassumingly done more for the protection of the USA and it's people than Gowdy or Jordan could do in a hundred lifetimes.

 

 

[Andaman Al]

10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones is ready to bust 25,000. My 401K is back on track. Haven't got time to read all the non sense, I'm inport for a few hours, busy making money and supporting the USNavy. Looks like his plans for NATO nations to pay more worked. Perhaps not the most tactful but it's the results that counts.

Well of course it is ready to bust 25 000. It is not so long ago that it busted 26 000 and what happened. Tax cuts and trade wars and the Dow lost over 1000 points. Nice. Since the start of the financial recovery by Obama not even Obama managed to lose 1000 points on the index. Trump just keeps on winning. Careful with your 401K, Trump will see the Dow at 15 000 before he is jailed. Mark my words.

 

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Looks like his plans for NATO nations to pay more worked. Perhaps not the most tactful but it's the results that counts.

Nope. He said, if you don't do as I say I am taking my ball home. So everyone said Ok because they were mature enough to do what is best for the team. Europe will meet their two percent obligations and in the mean time you have 20 world leaders hoping Trump's next s**t is a hedgehog, and one world leader - Putin who wants Trump to have his babies. You will see if its the 'result that counts' the next time the USA want a coalition of the willing and nobody is willing.

[Andaman Al]

A brilliant piece by the great columnist of the Irish Times, Fintan O'Toole. I have always enjoyed reading his articles but this hits the nail on the head (or is that the hammer on the nail - for one of our dear members ?  ). Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and even the slightest propensity for rational thinking should enjoy this thought provoking piece. Lengthy but worth it.

 

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Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow

 

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To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism.

 

It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again.

 

Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

Edited July 13, 2018 by Andaman Al