Australian man killed in brutal Pattaya bar fight identified, American attacker in custody

[sharktooth]

1 hour ago, lovelomsak said:

With all due respect to the Aussie this American guy must be one strong guy to throw a full grown man across the room and beat him in 20 seconds.. Strong fast and hard. He would scare the jesus out of me.

Or out of his nut on yaba?

[tonywillo]

The fact they took photos after the event will add 5 more years to the sentences. Not even the weak as water Thai justice system will overlook this. 

[balo]

What can you say? a man goes o n holiday goes into a bar for a drink and end up dead, and all for the fact that people can't just keep themselves out of troubles anywhere they go, now one is dead and the other has his life and future ruined forever....

He was not a tourist ,my understanding is that Ben Robb lived in Pattaya for some time. Not sure about the young American.

[jenny2017]

1 hour ago, isaanbanhou said:

nope not serious, thats why i marked it sarcasm,  i was responding to Allen Ginsing`s post and he  apparently won t.

My apologies for not getting it. It's Monday and it's morning.....

[ups7420]

1 hour ago, Just1Voice said:

Just one of the many reasons I stopped drinking 40 years ago. 

I drink but not in places like that...

[Cancerian]

2 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

I didn't see a photo so I don't know if the American is ugly or not.   American law allows for holding Americans overseas liable for crimes that are committed there and that break USA laws.  So, depending on the circumstances, lawyers, politicians, etc.  many things could happen to this man.

American laws alow? <deleted> Well he's not in America so there laws mean shit. He's on thai law time now and I hope the coward rots in a thai jail 

[mdmayes]

Is there CCTV in this bar? That video should tell the true story of what exactly happened in that bar.

[Chivas]

1 hour ago, Old Croc said:

The killer's mates won't be prosecuted.

Rubbernecking, laughing and filming the blood and gore is acceptable behavior in Thailand.

not in my world its not no matter where we are

[CGW]

There are times in ones life when one is ashamed to be part of the so called "human" race, this incident is certainly one of those moments very sad we have been reduced to this!

Edited February 12, 2018 by CGW

[animalmagic]

7 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

The killer's mates won't be prosecuted.

Rubbernecking, laughing and filming the blood and gore is acceptable behavior in Thailand.

There is probably sufficient leeway in the following extract from Thai Criminal Law to permit a prosecution.  Certainly enough to hold them and investigate for quite a while.

 

Section 84. Instigator

 

Whoever, whether by employment, compulsion, threat, hire, asking as favor or instigation, or by any other means, causes another person to commit any offence is said to be an instigator.

If the employed person commits the offence, the instigator shall receive the punishment as principal. If the offence is not committed, whether it be that the employed person does not consent to commit, or has not yet committed, or on account of any ether reason, the instigator shall be liable to only one-third of the punishment provided for such offence.

Section 85. Publicizing a Crime

 

Whoever propagates or publishes to the general public to commit an offence and such offence being punishable with imprisonment of not less than six months, shall be liable to one-half of the punishment provided for such offence.

If the offence is committed on account of the propagation or publication according to the first paragraph, the person who made such propagation or publication shall be liable to the punishment as principal.

Section 86. Accomplice

 

Whoever does for any reason whatsoever as assist or facility to any other person committing an offence before or late time of committing the offence, even though such assistance or facility is not known by the offender, such assistant deemed to be supporter in committing such offence shall be punished by two-thirds of the punishment as provided for such offence.

[eggers]

2 hours ago, Darcula said:

Why do bad things happen in such nice places?

 

 

 

Mix of alcohol, testosterone & people looking for trouble!! 

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

Cowardly and disgraceful in the extreme. Hope the killer gets a sentence somewhere in the 50 year range.  Clearly a person who can't hack his drink and has seemingly that little intelligence to know that more than maybe a couple of head kicks is all it takes to end a life.  Feel bad for the victim's family. Hope the soi doesn't get cracked down on too hard, whether we like it or not it is easily Pattaya's 2nd busiest attraction.  Without it a lot of folks will be out of a job. This is an out of the ordinary attack imo. Sad all round

Yes, it would be such as shame to see all the attractive blowjob bars closed down.

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, chippendale said:

Hope those Ugly Americans rot in a filthy Thai jail: the attacker for life, his thug buddies for at least 10 years.

Why punish his friends for what he did when they weren't involved in the attack?

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

Yes, it would be such as shame to see all the attractive blowjob bars closed down.

The fight has nothing to do with the bar, but alcohol. Only have to see what happens in some British pubs late at night. Not just men, but women fighting as well.

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Just one of the many reasons I stopped drinking 40 years ago. 

Where you a particularly violent person after drinking?

[giddyup]

Just now, Just Weird said:

Why punish his friends for what he did when they weren't involved in the attack?

They stood by laughing and taking pics whilst their mate stomps on a guys head, I would say they share some responsibility.

[Pattaya46]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

The fight has nothing to do with the bar, but alcohol.  //

Nothing? And who served them alcohol?

It's responsibility of a bar to stop serving alcohol to too-drunk customers !

[sikishrory]

pretty convenient that not much has been said and not even a picture of the attacker posted anywhere.

might be one of those stories that just fades away. quite possibly a bikie gang with the cash and connections to fix things.

[Old Croc]

12 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

There is probably sufficient leeway in the following extract from Thai Criminal Law to permit a prosecution.  Certainly enough to hold them and investigate for quite a while.

 

Section 84. Instigator

 

Whoever, whether by employment, compulsion, threat, hire, asking as favor or instigation, or by any other means, causes another person to commit any offence is said to be an instigator.

If the employed person commits the offence, the instigator shall receive the punishment as principal. If the offence is not committed, whether it be that the employed person does not consent to commit, or has not yet committed, or on account of any ether reason, the instigator shall be liable to only one-third of the punishment provided for such offence.

Section 85. Publicizing a Crime

 

Whoever propagates or publishes to the general public to commit an offence and such offence being punishable with imprisonment of not less than six months, shall be liable to one-half of the punishment provided for such offence.

If the offence is committed on account of the propagation or publication according to the first paragraph, the person who made such propagation or publication shall be liable to the punishment as principal.

Section 86. Accomplice

 

Whoever does for any reason whatsoever as assist or facility to any other person committing an offence before or late time of committing the offence, even though such assistance or facility is not known by the offender, such assistant deemed to be supporter in committing such offence shall be punished by two-thirds of the punishment as provided for such offence.

Sorry, even with my limited and dated knowledge of common law, I don't see how  a competent  prosecutor could decide that the jackasses present at the incident could be considered instigators, accomplices or publicists in the crime.

 

* Based on current known details of the incident.

Edited February 12, 2018 by Old Croc

[Hooliganzone]

2 hours ago, Darcula said:

Why do bad things happen in such nice places?

 

 

 

Bad things happen in bad areas : This is Soi 6, what do you expect its a dirt hole area the pits of the Pattaya...my advise is to stay clear of this place there are many better places in Pattaya.

 

About 10 years ago I was attacked in the middle of the street while just walking up Soi 6, (not in any bar) and hit on my forehead with a beer bottle by a working girl from a bar in the end it came out that SHE HAD MISTAKEN ME FOR SOMEONE ELSE from the previous night.

I had to have 15 stitches done in Memorial hospital, I paid my own bill no apologies or even sorry from anyone  for the attack, I didn't bother getting the police involved I JUST DON'T GO THERE ANYMORE.

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, alation said:

Rest in peace mate my prayer is that are  with our saviour Jesus Christ and that your family will some how receive some comfort knowing that this madman will receive the penalty worthy of taking away your life. I appeal to the authorities to hand down the maximum penalty 

Pity Jesus Christ didn't bother to step in and prevent him being killed.

[bkkcanuck8]

7 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Why punish his friends for what he did when they weren't involved in the attack?

Oh, let me count the ways - but not sure all of them apply to Thailand.

 

If not accessory before the fact, escaping with him and leaving the scene of a crime could fall into accessory after the fact.

 

Not rendering aid to a person who is injured.

 

Or maybe just under Thai Penal code of 

 

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Section 299. Mob Punishment for Grievous Bodily Harm

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Whenever, grievous bodily harm is caused to any person in an affray in which three persons upwards are engaged, whether such person be a participant in such affray or not, the participants in such affray shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding one year or fined not exceeding two thousand Baht, or both.

If the participant in such affray can show that he has acted in order to prevent such affray or in lawful defense, he shall not be punished.

The punishment is adjusted under other statutes if death.

Edited February 12, 2018 by bkkcanuck8

[Pattaya46]

16 minutes ago, mdmayes said:

Is there CCTV in this bar?

That video should tell the true story of what exactly happened in that bar.

Don't know for this bar precisely, but several Soi 6 bars have their - mandatory - CCTV oriented in a way to not film "interactions" between customers and girls . So I would not be too surprised if the CCTV was not to helpful there... 

[daoyai]

1 hour ago, chrisandsu said:

People often talk about the Russians , Chinese , Indians , but I can tell you there is nothing worse then American trash . They are starting to travel in much larger numbers to Thailand then they used to and are a massive pain in the arse . Stay in Hawaii, Mexico and Florida . 

I saw the headline mentioning an American and just knew it would bring out this type.  The story is about a crazy violent person, nationality only relevant to bigoted idiots. 

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Nothing? And who served them alcohol?

It's responsibility of a bar to stop serving alcohol to too-drunk customers !

In a perfect world. Thailand doesn't enforce pub laws like they might do in the West, don't expect it to be the same. They don't even enforce the smoking ban in bars.

Edited February 12, 2018 by giddyup

[chrisandsu]

4 minutes ago, sikishrory said:

pretty convenient that not much has been said and not even a picture of the attacker posted anywhere.

might be one of those stories that just fades away. quite possibly a bikie gang with the cash and connections to fix things.

Probably ghetto trash . Going to some rubbish Muy Thai school . 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Wow... You came to that conclusion from a bit of hearsay ?? 

How about waiting for the police to collect evidence and investigate 1st !! Just a thought...

Because they couldn't find their own asses with 2 hands maybe?

We rarely get to hear what happened in these cases and eye witness accounts are what we need.

 

Sounds like a very violent and cruel individual...

 

[Just Weird]

23 minutes ago, mdmayes said:

Is there CCTV in this bar? That video should tell the true story of what exactly happened in that bar.

CCTV in what could well be a blowjob bar?  That's an interesting concept.

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

CCTV in what could well be a blowjob bar?  That's an interesting concept.

See post #62.

[Just Weird]

21 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

There is probably sufficient leeway in the following extract from Thai Criminal Law to permit a prosecution.  Certainly enough to hold them and investigate for quite a while.

 

Section 84. Instigator

 

Whoever, whether by employment, compulsion, threat, hire, asking as favor or instigation, or by any other means, causes another person to commit any offence is said to be an instigator.

If the employed person commits the offence, the instigator shall receive the punishment as principal. If the offence is not committed, whether it be that the employed person does not consent to commit, or has not yet committed, or on account of any ether reason, the instigator shall be liable to only one-third of the punishment provided for such offence.

Section 85. Publicizing a Crime

 

Whoever propagates or publishes to the general public to commit an offence and such offence being punishable with imprisonment of not less than six months, shall be liable to one-half of the punishment provided for such offence.

If the offence is committed on account of the propagation or publication according to the first paragraph, the person who made such propagation or publication shall be liable to the punishment as principal.

Section 86. Accomplice

 

Whoever does for any reason whatsoever as assist or facility to any other person committing an offence before or late time of committing the offence, even though such assistance or facility is not known by the offender, such assistant deemed to be supporter in committing such offence shall be punished by two-thirds of the punishment as provided for such offence.

Thank god for Thaivisa legal advice.