Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[crazydrummerpauly]

22 hours ago, Blackheart1916 said:

So keep voting until you get the result you want?

What i call a FOREVERENDUM ;-)

[cooked]

8 hours ago, NanLaew said:

No. It's just hopelessly uninformed.

Explain.

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, nkg said:

The government are behaving like naughty children that don't want to complete their chores. Break some dishes when washing up and you won't be asked to do it again.

 

They are deliberately doing a bad job.

 

Pretty much everybody in the Establishment is deliberately doing a bad job, or claiming that brexit can only be a bad job. Brexit peed on the Establishment's chips. It messed with their project of having a several hundred million strong workforce of interchangeable, low-paid 'worker ants'. So now, anybody who wants to be somebody in the Establishment has to play out their role in the orchestrated pantomime of pretending that every aspect of returning the UK to a normal sovereign state is impossibly complicated. And every blatantly obvious solution put forward to these faux-complicated problems has to be ridiculed by the relevant pantomime dames, backed up by 'experts' who keep being proven wrong by events, but keep being taken seriously because they are the Establishment's 'in house' experts. The people I feel genuinely sorry for are the people who keep falling for the confidence trick, under the illusion that the banks and multinationals propagating it are doing so for the general good.

[simoh1490]

"Everyone is government is deliberately doing a bad job at Brexit";

 

"The solutions are blatantly obvious";

 

What planet are you on for goodness sake.

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

Sort of sums it up really , shouty , badly spelt sloganeering. 

[NanLaew]

6 hours ago, nontabury said:

Last  week I had a conversation with a Polish couple, very nice people, with two young children, hard working. He’s working as a hairdresser, the wife, who happens to be a university graduate, but is now working as a maid in a large hotel. And they Unlike some of the remoaners on this thread, also think that the present system, regarding what Eastern Europeans can claim is ridiculous. They are now supportive of the Briexit vote and are even more anti the U.K. than myself, so go figure that out.

That's even more OTT than your last effort. What is it with you and the Poles? At least this nice family told you what you wanted to hear. Must have been just like being back in Thailand.

 

But I digress... If it's true, both these immigrant workers are willing and able to take on jobs well below their pay grade in the UK. Why is that?

 

I recall (I think) Sky News interviewing a famously 'betrayed' young voter claiming that the older generation of Brexiteers had forfeited the younger remainer's options for a better, more cosmopolitan life. What did she see as the single biggest, personal impact of Brexit? She wouldn't be able to take her UK-earned degree and goof-off for a few years waiting on tables and the like in Paris, Rome and other more exotic European places.

 

What's that about cake and eating it again?

[MaeJoMTB]

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

But I digress... If it's true, both these immigrant workers are willing and able to take on jobs well below their pay grade in the UK. Why is that?

It's because they are buying houses in Poland, which are considerably cheaper than the UK.

Housing prices drive pay requirements.

 

House price = 3x annual gross wage is normal for most countries.

In the UK it's currently 20x

[beautifulthailand99]

27 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

That's even more OTT than your last effort. What is it with you and the Poles? At least this nice family told you what you wanted to hear. Must have been just like being back in Thailand.

 

But I digress... If it's true, both these immigrant workers are willing and able to take on jobs well below their pay grade in the UK. Why is that?

 

I recall (I think) Sky News interviewing a famously 'betrayed' young voter claiming that the older generation of Brexiteers had forfeited the younger remainer's options for a better, more cosmopolitan life. What did she see as the single biggest, personal impact of Brexit? She wouldn't be able to take her UK-earned degree and goof-off for a few years waiting on tables and the like in Paris, Rome and other more exotic European places.

 

What's that about cake and eating it again?

How about blaming Quantitative Easing (printing money) and virtual zero interest rates which stopped the banks failing after the 2007 financial crsis. The 'powers that be' are happy to see those at the bottom scrapping over scraps from their table as they loot to their heart's content. QE has resulted in a wave of money helped on by a resurgent China flooding around the world and the UK has been a pretty safe haven for this hot cash. Hence eye-watering rises in housing costs. But hey that heard working Pole down the road you can see him and his family 'doing well' i.e. working hard and responsibly for not too much money. Must be their fault then. 

[owl sees all]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

Last  week I had a conversation with a Polish couple, very nice people, with two young children, hard working. He’s working as a hairdresser, the wife, who happens to be a university graduate, but is now working as a maid in a large hotel. And they Unlike some of the remoaners on this thread, also think that the present system, regarding what Eastern Europeans can claim is ridiculous. They are now supportive of the Briexit vote and are even more anti the U.K. than myself, so go figure that out.

This post sums up the best of TVForum. You just can't beat personal input (as in this Polish family). A lot of posters simply support (or vise-virsa) ideas because they are popular. If they were to get out and about, talk to people, as you do nontabury, their opinions may well change.

 

My third wife's mother told me that the people in Jamaica were looking forward to resuming natural trade relations with UK.

[beautifulthailand99]

15 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

This post sums up the best of TVForum. You just can't beat personal input (as in this Polish family). A lot of posters simply support (or vise-virsa) ideas because they are popular. If they were to get out and about, talk to people, as you do nontabury, their opinions may well change.

 

My third wife's mother told me that the people in Jamaica were looking forward to resuming natural trade relations with UK.

Well nice to see we have replaced evidence based policy with my third cousin half-brother once said anecdotals. No point in poncy expensive education or troublesome facts. I feel it so it must be so. That is the tragedy of Brexit as Gove succinctly put it "Britain has and enough of experts" - yeah who needs them - why not let the local butcher have a go at Brain surgery given we have a shortage of doctors. What could possibly go wrong ?

[MaeJoMTB]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well nice to see we have replaced evidence based policy with my third cousin half-brother once said anecdotals. No point in poncy expensive education or troublesome facts. I feel it so it must be so. That is the tragedy of Brexit as Gove succinctly put it "Britain has and enough of experts" - yeah who needs them - why not let the local butcher have a go at Brain surgery given we have a shortage of doctors. What could possibly go wrong ?

Evidence based policy if from evidence produced by our banking experts overlords.

 

[simoh1490]

25 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

This post sums up the best of TVForum. You just can't beat personal input (as in this Polish family). A lot of posters simply support (or vise-virsa) ideas because they are popular. If they were to get out and about, talk to people, as you do nontabury, their opinions may well change.

 

My third wife's mother told me that the people in Jamaica were looking forward to resuming natural trade relations with UK.

Your third wife's mother......

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Your third wife's mother......

I think this is early morning irony... and a good one at that. 

[owl sees all]

16 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Your third wife's mother......

Yes. Belinda is getting on; 93 this year. Came to England in the 1950s from Jamaica.

 

She is all for the ditching of Europe. Wants to see far more trade with Britain's old Empire (Commonwealth).

[Khun Han]

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

11 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Your third wife's mother......

I think this is early morning irony... and a good one at that. 

 

I've only been married once. Can somebody explain to me why it's acceptable by a supposedly mature adult to make fun of people per se  for having been married more than once?

[simoh1490]

2 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

I've only been married once. Can somebody explain to me why it's acceptable by a supposedly mature adult to make fun of people per se  for having been married more than once?

Not unexpectedly you missed the point by several miles!

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Yes. Belinda is getting on; 93 this year. Came to England in the 1950s from Jamaica.

 

She is all for the ditching Europe. Wants to see far more trade with Britain's old Empire (Commonwealth).

and those lovely new Blue passports ...don't forget those. 

[Khun Han]

5 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Not unexpectedly you missed the point by several miles!

 

Maybe you would be so kind as to spell "the point" out in plain English to me Simoh? Or do the forum rules forbid such candour?

[simoh1490]

4 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Maybe you would be so kind as to spell "the point" out in plain English to me Simoh? Or do the forum rules forbid such candour?

Only because I feel sorry for you and I am of course kind.

 

Belinda is a parody, a substitute for a reliable source of information, except the fact that she is so old and so far removed from the source of the information that she clearly can't speak for the government of Jamaica which of course is so obvious that it becomes funny. It's a bit like the Daily Express printing news articles that declare this or the other about Brexit, news that most people understand is a joke, information not to be taken literally or as fact. In fact, I understand the new owners, Trinity Mirror have in mind that the Express will compete with Private Eye which should make it easier to separate fact from fiction.

[Khun Han]

10 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Only because I feel sorry for you and I am of course kind.

 

Belinda is a parody, a substitute for a reliable source of information, except the fact that she is so old and so far removed from the source of the information that she clearly can't speak for the government of Jamaica which of course is so obvious that it becomes funny. It's a bit like the Daily Express printing news articles that declare this or the other about Brexit, news that most people understand is a joke, information not to be taken literally or as fact. In fact, I understand the new owners, Trinity Mirror have in mind that the Express will compete with Private Eye which should make it easier to separate fact from fiction.

 

Ah, ok. I'd lay off the sauce until later in the day if I were you. And give my regards to Belinda, whoever she may be.

[Grouse]

Meanwhile, back to Brexit....

 

I was amused to see the CONs and the DUPs up in arms at Barnier's first draft of legal wording of December's agreement on the the "3 key issues". You will recall, May fudged wording to keep both Eire and DUP on board and both Boris and Davis undermined the whole thing! Let's see what legal agreement will be acceptable. Duplicitous, disingenuous, dorks!

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Ah, ok. I'd lay off the sauce until later in the day if I were you. And give my regards to Belinda, whoever she may be.

I'll drink a fictional beer to that. 

[Grouse]

John Major's input was well received.

 

Except by "Moggadon" who I thought was rather rude.

[brewsterbudgen]

John Major's input was well received.
 
Except by "Moggadon" who I thought was rather rude.

I was never a fan of the "grey" man, but he makes a lot of sense here.

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[Grouse]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

I was never a fan of the "grey" man, but he makes a lot of sense here.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Every time I see Major I picture him with Y Fronts on top of his suit trousers as in the cartoon!

[Khun Han]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I was never a fan of the "grey" man, but he makes a lot of sense here.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Bill Cash's rebuttal makes far more sense, though it's too polite.

[owl sees all]

3 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

Ah, ok. I'd lay off the sauce until later in the day if I were you. And give my regards to Belinda, whoever she may be.

The lady Belinda, who you refer to, is my ex mother-in-law.

 

She can remember the days of British rule in Jamaica clearly. Although they gained independence in the 1960s she recalls those days with some nostalgia. She would like Britain to trade with Jamaica (and other Caribbean islands) far more than the euro rules allow at present. She is not keen on a Europe run by big businass and bankers.

 

When I first went to JA the pound exchanged for 75 dollars. Now it is about 180 JA dollars to the pound.

 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The lady Belinda, who you refer to, is my ex mother-in-law.

 

She can remember the days of British rule in Jamaica clearly. Although they gained independence in the 1960s she recalls those days with some nostalgia. She would like Britain to trade with Jamaica (and other Caribbean islands) far more than the euro rules allow at present. She is not keen on a Europe run by big businass and bankers.

 

When I first went to JA the pound exchanged for 75 dollars. Now it is about 180 JA dollars to the pound.

 

Euro rules limit trading options between Jamaica and the UK?

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[RuamRudy]

10 hours ago, nontabury said:

I paid tax on my investments in the U.K

Well unless you had a spectacularly bad financial advisor, I would hazard a guess that the amount you paid on your investment profits was not in the same league as a UK-resident Polish builder would have paid income tax. I see his contribution to the UK as being being larger than yours or mine.