canuckamuck Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The idea we should be tolerant of all ideas is based on the fallacy that all ideas are of equal standing. Ideas based on lies, that promote hatred or violence are clearly not tolerable. But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. Edited June 24, 2018 by canuckamuck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, riclag said: Her haters want her ban from twitter for using a government account, if I'm not mistaken! It seems the statement I made differs from yours about that statement: " anybody using the government twitter account to personally comment on a eatery should be banned from that account. ". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Odysseus123 said: You can count me in on that one.The sooner public servants (albeit temporary ones) learn not to use their gov't accounts as a free for all-the better off we will all be. Tweeter finds it newsworthy ,so it ain't gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, Silurian said: Interesting that she used the official Press Secretary account instead of her own personal twitter account to make a statement. Was she at the restaurant on official government business? I guess this instance required the use of government resources to make a personal point. Smacks of abuse of power. If it had been H. Clinton there would be Congressional hearings into the private use of a gov Twitter account. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, riclag said: Tweeter finds it newsworthy ,so it ain't gonna happen Possibly-which is why she posted it ("newsworthy"),eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. Really? Good to know that the Obama is a Muslim and the Obama wasn't born in the USA allegations never found any traction in the Republican Party. And even better that the current POTUS forthrightly declared it was nonsense right from the start. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. Yeah, but you weren't watching FOX NEWS while Obama was POTUS 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, genericptr said: You're missing the point of the analogy. It's supposed to make you question the use of force to compel a person to perform a service. It doesn't matter who the 2 parties involved are. The use of force is the important part. Correct and force should not be used to compel anyone. The baker refused the gays and the restaurant owner can refuse Sanders. What is the problem? They refuse as it is their choice. Why is the restaurant owner being victimized and why did Sanders tweet about it anyway? Was it her turn to stir the crap this weekend? Give the boss a break maybe. I imagine the black/KKK and Jew/Nazi comparisons are a little more than 'force'. One group actively murdered the other therefore to expect service would be naive at best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 As much as I dislike Donald Trump and his policies and Ms Sanders for being part of an Administration that tramples on the rights of others- I would have served her and I would have made no comment on her job or political orientation. IMHO- when one operates a business open to the public- that business should serve everyone regardless of their religion; their cultural background; their color; etc. This type of behavior is as bad as the behavior of Trump and his minions. They call everything they do not agree with as 'fake news'. Differing opinions are not fake news. Everyone in America has a right to express their opinion and should not be denied that right because you and I do not agree with it. Donald Trump was voted into office by Americans completely fed up with the status quo and Trump has outlined many of the problems that need fixing. However- it is his solutions that are flawed. Every American knows there is a flawed Immigration system but Trump's response is not the solution. In fact- I have yet to see Trump provide an adequate solution to any issue including NKorea. Denying service to Trump's supporters when they enter a restaurant will change nothing. I will continue to voice my opinion which will also not change anything except possibly a few people who may consider my opinion valid and then vote accordingly. The way to defeat Trump and his flawed American vision is to vote him out of office as well as members of congress that also support Trump. America will have an election in early November of this year and I would expect that the Democrats will regain control of the House. If this is the case- the American voters will have spoken again and their vote will tell the World that Trump and his policies are not the answer to solving America's problems. There are real solutions to America's problems but none of these solutions involve changing America into a country that uses or propagates laws to exclude and divide people or in any way allows racism; misogyny; homophobia or discrimination to be the normal way people interact with each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Which is why I'm still in two minds about businesses being allowed to refuse service. I'm sure we can all think of some examples of people we would happily refuse to serve if we had a business and they turned up at our establishment! The authorities have to draw a line somewhere, and some people will approve of 'the line' whereas others will disapprove. It will also be a constantly moving 'line' as prejudices change. Refusing service for religious beliefs and the political party one supports are an obvious 'crossing of the line' to me. 12 minutes ago, Andaman Al said: Spin BS. It is nothing to do with political parties. 50% of everyone that eats there at the 'Red Hen' will on average be Republican or Democrat. It is the fact that this woman stands up in front of the American people every day on behalf of the Kidnapper in Chief and she ........Lies. She lies incessantly, she is not a good person, she is utterly horrible. The administration is enforcing the removal of rights for certain minorities and the restaurant owner has every right to say 'you are not welcome in my establishment' which she owns and pays taxes on. Sanders crosses the line every single day when she lies to the American public. I wouldn't want traitors in my restaurant either. Sander's claims to be a Christian, so the day will come when she will say 'but I was just following orders', and God will say "just take elevator number 2, yes that's it, the one over there marked 'down' ".' Please quote my entire post, rather than just truncating it to change the meaning of the post. But you have a point insofar as there are a few people in political posts that I would include in my list of "people we would happily refuse to serve if we had a business and they turned up at our establishment! " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Were you in a coma ~ 2008 - 2016? 5 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andaman Al Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. I hate Nazi's, I hate the KKK, I hate bigots, I hate Dictators, I hate Kim Jong and I hate Trump and his entire administration. He belongs to a special, small, unique class of people in my life. To the rest I am the nicest most generous person in the whole world. I am not left, I am right of center, but there is no love in my heart for someone of Trump's despicable nature. As my Dad said, you are measured by the company you keep, remember that when you support an oxygen thief like Trump and those in his inner circle. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Thaidream said: As much as I dislike Donald Trump and his policies and Ms Sanders for being part of an Administration that tramples on the rights of others- I would have served her and I would have made no comment on her job or political orientation. IMHO- when one operates a business open to the public- that business should serve everyone regardless of their religion; their cultural background; their color; etc. This type of behavior is as bad as the behavior of Trump and his minions. They call everything they do not agree with as 'fake news'. Differing opinions are not fake news. Everyone in America has a right to express their opinion and should not be denied that right because you and I do not agree with it. Donald Trump was voted into office by Americans completely fed up with the status quo and Trump has outlined many of the problems that need fixing. However- it is his solutions that are flawed. Every American knows there is a flawed Immigration system but Trump's response is not the solution. In fact- I have yet to see Trump provide an adequate solution to any issue including NKorea. Denying service to Trump's supporters when they enter a restaurant will change nothing. I will continue to voice my opinion which will also not change anything except possibly a few people who may consider my opinion valid and then vote accordingly. The way to defeat Trump and his flawed American vision is to vote him out of office as well as members of congress that also support Trump. America will have an election in early November of this year and I would expect that the Democrats will regain control of the House. If this is the case- the American voters will have spoken again and their vote will tell the World that Trump and his policies are not the answer to solving America's problems. There are real solutions to America's problems but none of these solutions involve changing America into a country that uses or propagates laws to exclude and divide people or in any way allows racism; misogyny; homophobia or discrimination to be the normal way people interact with each other. I like the part about the vote and your opinion.You have managed to say a few positive suggestions , that's extremely rare coming from the otherside Thanks Edited June 24, 2018 by riclag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, riclag said: I like the part about the vote and your opinion.You have managed to say a few positive suggestions , that's extremely rare coming from the otherside Thanks Yes, he is telling the truth, you "Her haters want her ban from twitter for using a government account, if I'm not mistaken! " are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. "I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS" Can anyone seriously disagree with this comment??? I pay little attention to US politics, but the hate is 'shoved in my nose' every day in the media.... There is little doubt (to me anyway) that trump is obnoxious - but the constant hate campaign is extremely annoying. Obama suffered something similar from certain elements, but nothing close to what is happening now. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 hours ago, sirineou said: Treat people with respect by lying to them? If she had any integrity she would resign. Rumor (fake news?) has it that she's growing a bit disenchanted by the actualities of being the POTUS's second-tier official mouthpiece (his twittering is tier 1). When she throws the towel in, more than likely she will be labeled as being weak, unreliable, disloyal or the usual epithets bandied about the regular right-wing press and the remaining administration when a former 'good man' finds that compromising one's principles isn't what they signed up for. In other (recycled) news, Whitehouse staffers are whining about being unable to date in Washington, such is the general revulsion for anyone hired as a part-time swamp cleaner. At least that should stop them breeding. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, lanista said: Obviously the Red Hen was looking for free publicity and got it. Lets investigate them to see how much they pay their American staff.( undocumented migrants maybe) Two dollars an hour + tips??? Australian hospitality staff earn 20 -35 an hour + tips. Off topic , but must set the record straight. Majority of Oz staff in small restaurants are paid below the minimum wage, no super, no holiday, no sick pay, rarely tipped Edited June 24, 2018 by simple1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said: The intolerant left have finally slid into full on fascism. This is disgusting, unfortunately there is no real way to deal with their hate. In a fair world the democrats would be banned from politics for a decade, until they learn to respect democratic elections. And fake media (such as Time magazine with their recent nonsense hate mongering cover, and CNN that won many of Trumps fake news awards) would be immediately shut down. I had thought this sort of hate crime would happen after the horrific media coverage of all things Trump, while totally ignoring the fact he is acting in our best interests. His gargantuan achievements like bringing peace to the Korean peninsula, helping the poor get back into the workforce, and tackling fair trade are glossed over, leading to certain gullible sectors of the population going crazy without fully understanding why. Wasn't it the Americans who coined the expression............................................................Spin Doctor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post car720 Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 There is only one thing in the world more amazing than Trump and that is the fact that there are actually people who like and believe the guy. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 She probably should have used her private Twitter account - she has one, and the use of her "government" position to comment on this matter may be worthy of a reprimand. But her boss routinely uses his government Twitter account to attack all manner of businesses, countries and individuals, except for Vladimir Putin and the occasional "good" Nazi or pedophile, so the poor behavior rolls downhill and quite frankly, influences people on both sides. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Opl Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 28 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: But all I see is hatred from the left. I have never witnessed such open hate as I see directed to the POTUS. Hopefully you will now censor your self because your views are by your own definition are intolerable. Would your statement apply to POTUS Trump's speeches, tweets, interviews? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Were you in a coma ~ 2008 - 2016? 20 minutes ago, pegman said: Yeah, but you weren't watching FOX NEWS while Obama was POTUS The previous POTUS was attacked for his lack of accomplishment and his socialist programs. In other words he was attacked for his policy. Trump is attacked at extremely personal levels constantly. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB2 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Libtards are such a bunch of hive brain political xenophobes. Lets hope they find a cure soon.... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Opl said: Would your statement apply to POTUS Trump's speeches, tweets, interviews? Example? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: The previous POTUS was attacked for his lack of accomplishment and his socialist programs. In other words he was attacked for his policy. I honestly think you have selective memory issues with regards to the eight+ years beginning in 2008. Can you "Tan Suit"? Or "Birther"? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, SteveB2 said: Libtards are such a bunch of hive brain political xenophobes. Lets hope they find a cure soon.... I’m sure that makes sense to you, or at least for your own sake I hope it does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackh Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 6 hours ago, stevenl said: Trump has divided the country. The racist democrats have divided this country. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: The previous POTUS was attacked for his lack of accomplishment and his socialist programs. In other words he was attacked for his policy. Trump is attacked at extremely personal levels constantly. First statement: totally false, see the muslim from Kenya. Second statement, true, that is what happens when you constantly attack at extremely personal levels. You reap what you sow. Edited June 24, 2018 by stevenl 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fstarbkk Posted June 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 24, 2018 Discrimination really sucks when you're on the wrong end of it, doesn't it? ? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, Andaman Al said: I hate Nazi's, I hate the KKK, I hate bigots, I hate Dictators, I hate Kim Jong and I hate Trump and his entire administration. He belongs to a special, small, unique class of people in my life. To the rest I am the nicest most generous person in the whole world. I am not left, I am right of center, but there is no love in my heart for someone of Trump's despicable nature. As my Dad said, you are measured by the company you keep, remember that when you support an oxygen thief like Trump and those in his inner circle. Does it feel good to have the freedom to say that? it should. However, I think there are people on the Trump administration that do not deserve your generalizations. I think the NAZI's are out of office now, but you probably mean people who identify as Nazis. I have never met one, but I think they are probably not really popular guys. The KKK, same thing, how many are there anyways, could they fill a two car garage? I think that it is possible to have a benevolent dictator, but I don't think many have existed. What you don't like about dictators is likely that they don't love freedom for the people to express themselves and challenge the status quo. I dislike the left for being similar in their rantings. I think there are a lot of bigots these days on the left. Except they are bigoted against western culture, white people, men, religion, and conservatives... I don't like any bigots. Kim Jung Un is obviously a dick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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