5 minutes ago, kannot said:

its what Ive come to expect but will be batted  down by Thai lovers.

Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary 

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary 

Sounds even worse, like folk will just turn up do nothing and then asked to get paid. Wonder how  long it takes to get a "permit" to work.

1 hour ago, JAG said:

"Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave.

 

A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission.

 

An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so."

 

Perhaps Pol Gen Srivara could undertake an experiment personally, to find out...

 

Unfortunately, given the personalities involved, this kind of scenario was inevitable. Peeing contests abound, indeed, in the 3rd world, hierarchical matters are often only resolved only by contests or the 'old pals' clubs. You can't expect 1st-world approaches in a 3rd-world country, and I imagine the international helpers must be chewing their hats at some of the things they see. Not that they would aver say that of course, one hopes they would be too professional.

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary 

"It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission."

The phrase to do with pi$$up$ in a brewery  -  springs to mind.

There should be one experienced person coordinating activities.  Some how I think there are too many people doing too many things getting in each others way.  What happens is there is a lack of support for the work with the highest priority.  People with little experience directing activities they know little about, but have enough status to adversely effect priorities in the search.

2 hours ago, pegman said:

Up to about 2 months with water. Bobby Sands lasted 66 days on his hunger strike.

Depends on stored energy available, energy being expended, ambient temperature, mental state. Normally a body will start (fasting) utilising stored reserves after 3/4 days and use these until all used - after which starvation kicks in. Being lean Thai kids I would think their reserves will be fairly low, so very difficult to put a time on  it - maybe 2 weeks before the starvation  stage kicks in and then it's down hill from there. 

Sounds like normal day to day functionality on Thailand 

Is generally a lot cooler in caves.  What about hypothermia?

12 minutes ago, timber said:

There should be one experienced person coordinating activities.  Some how I think there are too many people doing too many things getting in each others way.  What happens is there is a lack of support for the work with the highest priority.  People with little experience directing activities they know little about, but have enough status to adversely effect priorities in the search.

How do you know this?

 

Are you privy to information about the management of this rescue mission that others here (including myself) profoundly lack?

Who is surprised of lack of coordination! Thats what thai never learned to do!

But too many run around as beeing important and giving maybe stupid advices the teams should follow instead having a head of team to organize and they coordinate and nobody else.......

 

But the old stupid style of following competence by ranking instead of knowledge and seniority instead of using new guys with new technology and yes i forget: loosing face makes loosing time and maybe loosing the life of the kids!

 

i hope there is a good ending

1 minute ago, manhood said:

Who is surprised of lack of coordination! Thats what thai never learned to do!

But too many run around as beeing important and giving maybe stupid advices the teams should follow instead having a head of team to organize and they coordinate and nobody else.......

 

But the old stupid style of following competence by ranking instead of knowledge and seniority instead of using new guys with new technology and yes i forget: loosing face makes loosing time and maybe loosing the life of the kids!

 

how do you know this?

 

Are you privy to information about the management of this mission that others lack?

 

Have you any real insight into the matter?

something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc  i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ?

Continuing to believe the boys will abide.

3 minutes ago, SlyouThai said:

something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc  i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ?

Yet another internet "Hindenburg"

So not only do the Thai,Laotians,British and US personnel not know what they are doing..not only have they explained over and over the intricacies and complexities of this mission but they should have had information to hand presumably sent to them by Martians...

 

The graphics of the main cave are readily accessible..if you can get in there.

13 minutes ago, SlyouThai said:

something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc  i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ?

The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave .

   There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped

The chamber is connected to the dry area dubbed Pattaya Beach where the missing team is believed to be sheltering.

 

  I'm not a resue expert, but how could they possibly flee from the fast-rising water level if they were not far inside to reach Pattaya? BTW, who knows what the chamber, called Pattaya looks like now? And low oxygen levels would indicate a small chance of finding any survivors. 

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave .

   There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped

There might be some skeletons of people who've tried to reach the end. And they basically did reach the end. 

Cave divers need to be made aware of a specially dangerous area-

The last cave has a set of pillars the water drains through

There is an accessible ledge and a small cavern right there to the right

But dont go any further

As part of the water drainage there is a large vertical shaft with sides worn smooth as glass just past the pillars

It appears that this is formed by a large whirlpool

This would be an extremely dangerous area

21 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

how do you know this?

 

Are you privy to information about the management of this mission that others lack?

 

Have you any real insight into the matter?

He learned it at the Polly Parrot School of Repeat After Me.

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave ...

Seriously? I know the RTP has a strange idea of law, order and authority, but is its deputy chief really that stupid? If so, I should hope the CR governor gave him a bo__ocking and sent him on his way. 

I really hope that this latest revelation of dis-coordination is not correct....but understanding Thais, it's possible.

Surely the international teams and individuals would offer their knowledge and assistance........

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave .

   There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped

I think that's the crux of this......no-one is sure of the cave' mapping and diversity......

19 minutes ago, SlyouThai said:

something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc  i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ?

It's out in the boonies, limited population, remote, the country side fairly inaccessible and why is  there a need to map or worry about other entrances. 

Look at a few of the pictures posted to get an idea of its location. 

3 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

I think that's the crux of this......no-one is sure of the cave' mapping and diversity......

The crux of the matter are the present climate,the dangers of penetrating the cave under extremely adverse weather conditions and the sheer scale of the cave system.

 

As explained time and time again.

Thai TV interviews US soldier at Tham Luang cave

 

 

3 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

The crux of the matter are the present climate,the dangers of penetrating the cave under extremely adverse weather conditions and the sheer scale of the cave system.

 

As explained time and time again.

What are you talking about, the barstool, ex SAS, mine recovery specialist, deep sea divers etc, could have knocked this over on day 1 well before breakfast had have they been asked. 

 

As a bit of a side issue, of which I may or not be correct is, I have been told this is the first major cave rescue even undertaken by Thailand. 

True /false - I don't know. 

If this moaner is a coordinator, tell him to do his job then not blab to the media

Very unfortunately, this will not be a rescue but rather a recovery.  And even that may take months to complete.  A very sad story.