BREAKING NEWS Thai boys trapped in cave to be given 4 months of food and taught how to dive

[connda]

8 hours ago, canardo said:

Food for 4 month? Wow, didn't see that coming, that it could take soooo long... 

Yeah, and the real deluge/heavy flooding type of rainfall isn't even here yet.  My guess is that they will be fast-tracking those kids into the type of technical diving that is beyond most good divers.  We can only pray that those skill don't become a necessary. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by connda

[balo]

Stupid question I know but is it possible to light a fire down there to cook food or will the smoke be too much ? 4 months is a long time , but with plenty of battery operated lights they can live in the cave for a long time.

 

 

[0815]

3 hours ago, Formaleins said:

Thing is, that will never be asked in Thailand, the guy will be looked at like a hero. There is barely a single Thai that I know round here that will even criticize what the fool did.

....and if it (hopefully) comes to a happy end, some fools might follow doing it again.

[connda]

1 minute ago, balo said:

Stupid question I know but is it possible to light a fire down there to cook food or will the smoke be too much ? 4 months is a long time , but with plenty of battery operated lights they can live in the cave for a long time.

 

 

Meals Ready to Eat (MRE) 

[tukkytuktuk]

 

[Justfine]

8 hours ago, hansnl said:

As expected.

Found, and alive!

Will take a bloody long time to get them out.

 

4 months geez. That's a super long Padi course. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, balo said:

Stupid question I know but is it possible to light a fire down there to cook food or will the smoke be too much ? 4 months is a long time , but with plenty of battery operated lights they can live in the cave for a long time.

Open fire would burn far much oxygen in the air, and create low layer deadly carbon monoxide which is a real problem in confined place. Nobody wants these kids to die of hypoxia.

 

Then again, if there is abundant amount of oxygen, the smoke could reveal the air channel up to the surface for rescuers to see above the ground. 

 

Not a bad idea.

[Gandtee]

2 hours ago, phetpeter said:

Flexible pipes are available now, example most kiddie corners have them, plus the bouncing castle people know how to put together flexible air tunnels that would last long enough to produce crawl thro's

My idea was an individual sealed flexible bag with an air supply, that could be towed and maniputated by the divers. One advantage being the boys are not bulky and if they do panic they would, maybe, not cause danger to the rescuers. Pie in the sky?  

[Jingthing]

When it rains it pours for those boys!

Bad enough what they've already been through and now they have to learn how to be divers?

I was wondering in case nobody brought it up, suppose really heavy rains come and the water starts to rise where they are (and may be for some time more)? Wouldn't they need boats or something? 

[Scotssing]

As well as show caves where there are usually walkways I have been in a number of caves exploring but only through dry systems. Many of the passages between the larger caverns can be very narrow or low and quite often you have to squeeze through small openings which can reverse on themselves. I have known logjams develop in dry conditions at some of the smaller more difficult sections as cavers struggle to get through.. The idea of going through these submerged, with diving gear and in a flowing current would fill anyone with trepidation. Trying to escort the boys through them if submerged, however it is done, must only be a last resort

 

When the cave was dry I guess the Thai boys could slip through these crevices quite quickly as they are quite small and knew the cave. A sense of adventure would keep them exploring ever deeper into the caves.

 

Personally I would think some sort of engineering solution to get them out would be my choice: drainage, enlargement of some of the passages, removal of mud etc. I am not sure why they are adverse to drilling as limestone although permeable is a strong rock able to support large weight, hence the huge caverns you get in caves. I am sure they have geologists to advise them.

 

At least today we are full of optimism and if team could reach the boys I am sure they can get them out safe and sound

 

[tukkytuktuk]

Widening the cave as we speak.

 

 

[DrTuner]

31 minutes ago, balo said:

Stupid question I know but is it possible to light a fire down there to cook food or will the smoke be too much ? 4 months is a long time , but with plenty of battery operated lights they can live in the cave for a long time.

Carbon monoxide is a killer so better stick to MREs.

[kmj]

1 hour ago, thenoilif said:

Actually according to reports the vast majority of the passage between the entrance and where the boys are is completely filled to the ceiling with water. This was one of the main reasons why it took so long to get there. They had to be extra cautious because there was no place for them to go up for air if needed. 

 

Some of the access cede points are also barely big enough for a very small man to get through. 

 

But hey give you an A for Amagination.

 

 

the British guys are not very small men but hey give you a B for B)ll0cks

[mindfulness]

9 hours ago, BigBadGeordie said:

From another source the head of the US cave rescue commision indicated the problems with drilling would be; 

The need to construct roads, infrastructure to get drilling rigs in.

The need for a complete cave survey to pinpoint the boys actual location. Otherwise it would be difficult be sure where to drill.

He called it "A needle in a haystack problem".

 

... well I’ve seen Canuck Helicoptors in Chiang Mai I’m sure the military could give some air support ! 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Sedation would be a very bad idea. The boys will need to be fully alert with their wits about them, able to follow complex instructions to the letter.

Neither their actions to date nor their manner when rescued give any indication they are likely to panic. Kids that age if anything tend to have an underdeveloped sense of danger (hence the well know adolescent tendency for risk taking behavior), especially when in a group.

The bigger issue is physical resilence as even the experienced divers found it physically challenging. They will need to build up their strength and physical endurance.

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I thought this a long time and I'm still not sure what is the right way to go forward in situations like this. 

 

I have seen very confident men and women broken during demanding dives to  either to sedative, unresponsive children state or frightful personalities, who see only that their own way to get out of the trouble, is to follow the leader. 

 

I have made my own mistakes underwater, running out of air in the environment, I was not accustomed. My dive buddy, with far more air, asked me how much air I had. I had virtually none.

 

When working as divemaster, when I notice a person in distress I do push my mask to the other person's mask, to see us eye to eye, to share the moment.

 

For these people, in their state, nothing works. These actions precede many minutes of active observation. The way they move their limbs, the way they communicate with others etc.

 

Different people react to panic in diffrent ways. Some halt and become passive, submissive, some become aggressive (I suppose I would be one, if I would think my life would be in danger). Only few people are able to function properly during extreme distress. 

I guess the key to solve this rescue operation is not to let these kids to get to the state of extreme distress. 

 

Sedation is not the worst option for them in this situation. The goal is to get back home, no matter what. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by Guest

[0815]

2 hours ago, thenoilif said:

2.5 km of fun tube pulled through a labyrinth of sharp pointy rock Full of rushing water. 

 

Genius. I think we have a winner folks.

I want to see only one of you heroes trying all your solutions out for just 30 meters...

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Jupitero said:

 

Right. I'm going to take advice from 13 kids who it just took 9 days to rescue because they apparently didn't know  it rains in the rainy season in Thailand. Good idea.

 

Did you know that whilst it is the rainy season not everywhere gets the same amount of rain? It may be raining heavily where I live but 2 or 3km away there is no rain. In a 50 km run perhaps only 20km gets rain. It may be dry here but heavy rain in the mountains 5 km away.

Edited July 3, 2018 by billd766
edit for bad spelling after I had posted

[Sheryl]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I was wondering in case nobody brought it up, suppose really heavy rains come and the water starts to rise where they are (and may be for some time more)? Wouldn't they need boats or something? 

This is why they are sending in 4 months of food...If the waters rise much diving out may cease to be an option at all for some time.

[tukkytuktuk]

 

[trottermoggy]

Ask the boys how they get there, maybe the same way back

[crazyk]

I bet they want a WiFi extension connection & unlimited power banks for their smart phones,they must be getting withdrawal symptoms 

[RBOP]

31 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

This is why they are sending in 4 months of food...If the waters rise much diving out may cease to be an option at all for some time.

I believe that's Fake News. Was speculation from someone. 

[Kadilo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44692813

 

Another new development,   introduction of a phone line so they can speak with parents. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by Kadilo

[tukkytuktuk]

16 minutes ago, crazyk said:

I bet they want a WiFi extension connection & unlimited power banks for their smart phones,they must be getting withdrawal symptoms 

Internet being installed as we speak.

Fibre optics, webcam, so Seal team can coordinate with a team on the outside. 

[Jingthing]

This is why they are sending in 4 months of food...If the waters rise much diving out may cease to be an option at all for some time.

I assumed that but still wondering in the same proactive POV why not some small inflatable boats? I don't know if there is any place even further in that they could go if the waters threatened their current ledge. So great the divers knew to look further than the Pattaya beach area. I suppose they might have been briefed about that beforehand though.

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[metisdead]

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[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I assumed that but still wondering in the same proactive POV why not some small inflatable boats? I don't know if there is any place even further in that they could go if the waters threatened their current ledge. So great the divers knew to look further than the Pattaya beach area. I suppose they might have been briefed about that beforehand though.

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Inflatable boats should be one of the priories in case the area where the kids reside will fill with water. 

That moment will also submerge all the CO2 extraction devices, most of the food, water and batteries, provided by the rescue divers.

 

Yes, the kids should have inflatable boats.

 

There also should be electric cables as well as internet cables to provide possibility to communicate for these kids.

 

Still, the real aim is to get these kids out of the cave, not to keep them as caged animals, for world to watch.

 

[steve73]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I assumed that but still wondering in the same proactive POV why not some small inflatable boats? I don't know if there is any place even further in that they could go if the waters threatened their current ledge. So great the divers knew to look further than the Pattaya beach area. I suppose they might have been briefed about that beforehand though.

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I understood that the UK divers were (ex)colleagues of the local UK guy, Vernon Unsworth, who'd been involved with a recent survey and mapping of the cave (over the period from 1986 to 2016)... not sure if any of the other 3 had assisted in that though.  The survey maps are pretty detailed and can be found here.

https://www.thailandcaves.shepton.org.uk/longest-caves

[Artisi]

40 minutes ago, trottermoggy said:

Ask the boys how they get there, maybe the same way back

They walked or did Scotty beam them up and deposited them in the cave. 

[tukkytuktuk]

16 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44692813

 

Another new development,   introduction of a phone line so they can speak with parents.