UK's new Brexit envoy optimistic, as EU warns of Brexit crash

[Grouse]

16 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Keep dreaming.

 

Not one for posting cartoon's, but this one from the Times is bang on the money.

 

 

For all the posturing and declarations from the EU, this cartoon sums up the EU in the event of a hard Brexit.

 

Did you see France's fantastic ?? GDP result yesterday ?

 

One of my first comments on these Brexit threads was '' Watch the EZ go backwards as soon as Draghi turns off the printing presses ''

 

 

Indeed! Theresa Von Crap escaping Salzburg for Bergtesgarten! Still fooling the fools after all these years! The hills are all lies...

[Grouse]

14 hours ago, nausea said:

To be expected I suppose. Nobody's gonna put their cards on the table until the last moment.

It's obviously no big deal, they've all gone on holiday! Just like WW2, sorry chaps, off walking, no time to fight right now ?

[Grouse]

14 hours ago, tracy3eyes said:

I have followed the UK BREXIT since before the referendum and what has occurred is a travesty and a total betrayal of the peoples democratic wish by the British Government and its traitors to the people. BREXIT has become FAKEXIT!

The current plan would mean we were not part of the EU organisation but would still be subject to its rules and EU law! That is tantamount to state suicide!

 

This thread covers everything that has happened since before the referendum to date

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1105969/pg1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1105969/pg146

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Tracy

TheMedSyndicate

Follow Brexit in a little more detail; you may find out why all the bright people believe it to be a foolish act of self harm worthy of sectioning.

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, JAG said:

Frankly I don't think there are going to be any meaningful negotiations.

At the last moment we will be offered "terms". Terms which if accepted will result in the UK becoming an effective vassal state of the EU. 

 

So remain! We obviously don't have competent grown ups to look after our interests.

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Isn't it amazing that the '' poor, uneducated leavers '' ?? Can see this from a mile off.

 

And the so called '' Highly educated remainers '' ?? Are oblivious to this.

 

As has been said time and time again, the EU is only interested in negotiating something that keeps the UK tied to Brussels, under the thumb of the ECJ and handing over £ Billions for the pleasure.

The EU don't give a damn.

[Grouse]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

The EU is not the Eurozone but it encompasses all of it. The Euro is the official currency of the EU. The Italians are no doubt sick of having to deal with much of the trans-Mediterranean immigrant problem and high unemployment for so long and I bet that 24% are all in the south. Italy probably wants to leave the EU and Euro but their debt is so high the Italians know that would be completely ruinous - adopting the Euro has not suited the Italians  - but they will put up with the EU only as long as the EU keeps them afloat. 

How would leaving the EU solve the obvious difficulties faced by Italy because of immigration pressure from ME and Africa?

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

Edinburgh offers opportunities for p crawls

Close to Heriot-Watt you have Grassmarket and Royal Mile

Close to Edinburgh you have Royal Mile

mebbee you could do Royal Mile twice in 1 day

 

and after having sobered up you could do Rose Street while digesting what you picked up at Edinburgh and Heriot-Watt

just before you move on west to Strathclyde and Glasgow, a few pubs there as well

 

 

all crawls in Edinburgh offer ample opportunities for exchanges on Brexit

though I think Grassmarket would stand out, a weirder mix of people there

 

 

 

Thank you Melvin. You find your correspondent in Deacon Brodies on the Lawnmarket. This Stewart Brewing Holyrood Pale Ale is terrific! I hope #1 daughter chooses Edinburgh ?. I will conduct my Brexit straw poll when in quietens down a bit!

[Grouse]

8 hours ago, alfieconn said:

Well judging by your grammar you don't across as too smart ? ? 

 

So the 17.4m who voted to leave are "not too smart" ! so what do you base your knowledge on ?

 

 

How many languages do you speak? Are you a typical Brexiter monoglot?

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, The Renegade said:

That pretty much nails '' Remainers ''

 

As you can see by just reading today's offerings from bristolboy from Bristol, Tennessee.

Au contraire, au contraire!

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, Grouse said:

How would leaving the EU solve the obvious difficulties faced by Italy because of immigration pressure from ME and Africa?

Because it would be free of the additional pressure from EU policies (driven by Mutti Merkel) to keep their doors open. 

[3NUMBAS]

the usually angry french farmers will really have something to protest about next march if no deal is done..the air traffic controllers are  USUALLY ON STRIKE EVERY YEAR..france is the sick man of europe like UK in the 70s and no politician can get to grips with it .macrons rating has plummeted to a new low..a no deal leave will impact on france bigtime

Edited July 28, 2018 by 3NUMBAS

[nontabury]

On 7/26/2018 at 11:05 PM, tebee said:

Even the plans to stockpile food are in chaos!

 

British food stores ridicule Brexit stockpiling plans
Retailers say they have had no government contact over no-deal supplies

 

Government could no organize p***-up in proverbial brewery 

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/13acf2c0-90e4-11e8-b639-7680cedcc421

Don’t you ever get fed up with your continuous negativity. No body knows for sure how things will work out economically, maybe the country will be worse of, but many people think that the future, for an independent U.K. will be great for our countries economy. What none can dispute is that after Brexit, the U.K will be in charge of it’s borders, allowing in only those who will be useful to the UK.  Create our own laws by our own elected Parliament. Those same laws will be interpreted by our own judges. Not be part of the future E.U. Army. Take control of our fishing waters. This is why the majority voted for Brexit. Accept it,and ?? ?

 

 

 

 

[nontabury]

On 7/27/2018 at 7:50 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve perhaps spent less time on farms in the U.K. than I have.

 

Nothing you said suggests you’ve any knowledge of landwork in the U.K.

 

East Europeans are happy to work for the minimum wage, Brits refuse the work.

 

Before I moved to Thailand 20yrs ago, I did own a farm. Now I’m back living in a farming area of the U.K.  And it’s quite obvious to me that you don’t know anything on British farming.

[nontabury]

10 hours ago, alfieconn said:

Well judging by your grammar you don't across as too smart ? ? 

 

So the 17.4m who voted to leave are "not too smart" ! so what do you base your knowledge on ?

 

 

Perhaps his grammar is not perfect, could it possible be, because he’s another of the many non Brits on these threads who thinks we should be tied to the hated E.U.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Because it would be free of the additional pressure from EU policies (driven by Mutti Merkel) to keep their doors open. 

May be I'm incorrect, but I thought the EU wished to share the load? Italy is in the front line

 

This a real and present danger for us all. I don't see the EU being a culprit.

 

Climate change is going to encourage migration to temperate climes. 

 

As as long as we keep religious hocus pocus out of it, we should be able to resolve? Jointly, there's enough intellectual Hp on here to resolve the key issues!

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Perhaps his grammar is not perfect, could it possible be, because he’s another of the many non Brits on these threads who thinks we should be tied to the hated E.U.

Depressing

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Because it would be free of the additional pressure from EU policies (driven by Mutti Merkel) to keep their doors open. 

Bulgaria has just demonstrated that an individual nation has power to veto the EU laws, regulations and policies?

 

 

[The Renegade]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

May be I'm incorrect, but I thought the EU wished to share the load? Italy is in the front line

 

This a real and present danger for us all. I don't see the EU being a culprit.

As you brought up Italy

 

Ex MEP and current Italian Deputy Prime Minister

 

Quote

Italy’s deputy prime minister today accuses the European Union of trying to “swindle” Britain out of the Brexit that the public voted for.

 

In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Times, Matteo Salvini urges Theresa May to adopt a tougher stance in her Brexit negotiations with the EU, saying: “My experience in the European parliament tells me you either impose yourself or they swindle you.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/italys-hardman-matteo-salvini-eu-swindling-uk-l02rb38fb

 

I think he might know what he is talking about.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

As you brought up Italy

 

Ex MEP and current Italian Deputy Prime Minister

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/italys-hardman-matteo-salvini-eu-swindling-uk-l02rb38fb

 

I think he might know what he is talking about.

Matteo Salvini knows what his boss, Vladimir Putin talks about. Not a big surprise.

 

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Matteo Salvini praises Putin ahead of Russia trip

Matteo Salvini, Italy’s interior minister, said he was aiming to travel to Russia to meet President Vladimir Putin in what would be the latest strengthening of ties between Russia and European populist politicians.

 

.......

 

    Last year United Russia signed a co-operation agreement with the League as part of its own drive to deepen Russian ties with European populist movements. United Russia, the main pro-Kremlin party, signed a similar agreement in 2016 with the far-right Freedom party of Austria, while the head of the AfD travelled to Russia last year to meet lawmakers.

 

    

Edited July 29, 2018 by Guest

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Matteo Salvini knows what his boss, Vladimir Putin talks about. Not a big surprise.

Of course, the Russians are the boogie men ?

 

Wait, it might be the Chinese ?

 

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The EU has sounded the alarm about China’s role in the Western Balkans, warning that Beijing could turn countries in the region into Trojan horses that would one day be European Union members.

https://www.politico.eu/article/johannes-hahn-beware-chinese-trojan-horses-in-the-balkans-eu-warns-enlargement-politico-podcast/

 

11 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Last year United Russia signed a co-operation agreement with the League as part of its own drive to deepen Russian ties with European populist movements. United Russia, the main pro-Kremlin party, signed a similar agreement in 2016 with the far-right Freedom party of Austria, while the head of the AfD travelled to Russia last year to meet lawmakers.

Of course you have a reputable source to back up these claims ?

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Of course, the Russians are the boogie men ?

...

Of course you have a reputable source to back up these claims ?

Russians are the boogie men, who are still bitter that their lovely Soviet Union collapsed earlier.

 

I already posted a reputable link. Not going to do that again.

[mommysboy]

Right from the get go there has only ever been a choice between two rather unpalatable options: single market Norway style, or so called hard Brexit.

 

The Government has handled Brexit awfully, so badly that there is a real chance Brexit won't happen purely through frustration (in the contractual sense).

 

My only consolation is that the silent majority will likely perform one of its rare backlashes against a Tory government, and I doubt they will see power again.  It could spell the end of the Tory party, so at least this monumental, monsoon cloud may have a silver lining.

 

Britain's first truly socialist government!  Yes, it could happen, and not just because of Brexit.

Edited July 29, 2018 by mommysboy

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

Right from the get go there has only ever been a choice between two rather unpalatable options: single market Norway style, or so called hard Brexit.

Wrong, right from the get go

 

Single Market, Norway style is not leaving the EU and was never an option. Except for deluded remainers that somehow think it does mean leaving the EU.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

May be I'm incorrect, but I thought the EU wished to share the load? Italy is in the front line

 

This a real and present danger for us all. I don't see the EU being a culprit.

 

Climate change is going to encourage migration to temperate climes. 

 

As as long as we keep religious hocus pocus out of it, we should be able to resolve? Jointly, there's enough intellectual Hp on here to resolve the key issues!

The EU wants to share out the economic migrants that have been encouraged to come by idiots like Merkel. Most of these people are not refugees, they are lured by organized gangs and have to pay quite a bit of dosh. EU policy is facilitating this and the EU is culpable because they are assisting and bowing down to Merkel.

 

The reaction seen in Europe now is actually damaging genuine refugees a fair chance of safe haven. Climate change is not the driver and not an argument right now. 

Edited July 29, 2018 by nauseus
EU policy is facilitating this and the EU is culpable because

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Bulgaria has just demonstrated that an individual nation has power to veto the EU laws, regulations and policies?

 

 

So have Hungary and Poland.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Russians are the boogie men, who are still bitter that their lovely Soviet Union collapsed earlier.

 

I already posted a reputable link. Not going to do that again.

No link .... only oilinki

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Right from the get go there has only ever been a choice between two rather unpalatable options: single market Norway style, or so called hard Brexit.

 

The Government has handled Brexit awfully, so badly that there is a real chance Brexit won't happen purely through frustration (in the contractual sense).

 

My only consolation is that the silent majority will likely perform one of its rare backlashes against a Tory government, and I doubt they will see power again.  It could spell the end of the Tory party, so at least this monumental, monsoon cloud may have a silver lining.

 

Britain's first truly socialist government!  Yes, it could happen, and not just because of Brexit.

Are you saying that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott would be a satisfactory alternative government to the Tories?

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Bulgaria has just demonstrated that an individual nation has power to veto the EU laws, regulations and policies?

???

 

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

So have Hungary and Poland.

Yes, and what happened ?

 

Let me see ??

 

Taken to the ECJ and currently squabbling about Article 7 notices.

 

Threats to change the EU budget and stop payments if they do not come to heel and obey the EU.

 

Yes indeed, it is a great club to be in ??

 

 

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Are you saying that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott would be a satisfactory alternative government to the Tories?

???

 

No more needs to be said ?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Right from the get go there has only ever been a choice between two rather unpalatable options: single market Norway style, or so called hard Brexit.

 

The Government has handled Brexit awfully, so badly that there is a real chance Brexit won't happen purely through frustration (in the contractual sense).

UK can not afford hard brexit. They are simply not prepared for it. 

 

Norwegian model might be possible, but then it would be downgrade from current EU membership, where UK has seat on the deciding table.

 

I think UK will take EU's offer to grant further preparation time, which means that they need to have 2nd referendum vote. This means that UK will stay as part of EU, which is the best solution for both parties. It also likely means that now when UK and other EU member states have understood the great value of EU a bit better, UK will become more productive member of the Union.