New topic (about guns)

[starky]

1 hour ago, grollies said:

Anyway, we bought a S&W .38 on the advice of the local BIB.

 

Complete waste of 75k in my opinion but keeps wife happy.

Brand new? Or did one of the local plod get an almost free upgrade to a glock or sig by offloading his old piece off to you?

[mogandave]

Which is what he said wasn't it?

He said many months, 3-5 months does not seem to me like many months.

In the old westerns when the Indians said “many moons (months) ago, they were generally referring to pre-white-eye days, not a little earlier that year....

[grollies]

1 hour ago, starky said:

Brand new? Or did one of the local plod get an almost free upgrade to a glock or sig by offloading his old piece off to you?

Didn't buy it off the local BIB. New gun plus box of rounds.

[digbeth]

boys in browns' heavily discounted guns can't be sold on until after 5 years

[digbeth]

come to think of it, instead of hiring security guard, you can also befriend the local police, officially there's the 'red letter box' scheme where they put a letter box with a logbook on your property making it a checkpoint on their patrol route, cost around a thousand baht a month, off duty policemen with guns going rate is around 20,000 a month to hang around gold shops and such.

[fanjita]

On 7/25/2018 at 5:46 PM, Henkjan2 said:

Maybe i would consider a real 100% thief a warning shot, maybe a shot on the legs to stop him. I would not kill someone over a bag of cement wright?

You can still kill someone by shooting them in the leg.  The snarling, bloodthirsty German Shepherd was a much better idea.   

[Henkjan2]

At now company workers are already sleeping on the premises. Thats why the seven worker homes are first to be finished asap. 

 

Cameras (maybe even dummies temporary) are a good idea. Also i bought some red-white plastic chains, a "NO TRESPASSING" sign and a "beware of owner" sign lol 

[fanjita]

6 minutes ago, Henkjan2 said:

At now company workers are already sleeping on the premises. Thats why the seven worker homes are first to be finished asap. 

 

Cameras (maybe even dummies temporary) are a good idea. Also i bought some red-white plastic chains, a "NO TRESPASSING" sign and a "beware of owner" sign lol 

Not sure you're getting the drift.  Forget the guns.  Get the dogs in as you're not responsible if someone comes on your land and gets their throat ripped out by the dog.

[starky]

6 hours ago, fanjita said:

Not sure you're getting the drift.  Forget the guns.  Get the dogs in as you're not responsible if someone comes on your land and gets their throat ripped out by the dog.

He's getting the drift he just really wants the gun and wants someone here to tell him it's ok to shoot someone with it. 

[grollies]

10 hours ago, digbeth said:

come to think of it, instead of hiring security guard, you can also befriend the local police, officially there's the 'red letter box' scheme where they put a letter box with a logbook on your property making it a checkpoint on their patrol route, cost around a thousand baht a month, off duty policemen with guns going rate is around 20,000 a month to hang around gold shops and such.

See, this is what I like about the TVF. At first you'll get some piss-taking and daft comments but gradually the advice starts to improve until you get the right answers. And go with the bangkeow dog idea too. I've a cross-breed and she can be a right nasty bugger.

[Nyezhov]

11 hours ago, grollies said:

Didn't buy it off the local BIB. New gun plus box of rounds.

Ugh...dude, are you kidding? You aren't trained, and are in Thailand. You pull that trigger,say bye bye to your life.

 

I can tell you from personal experience that even though los muertos no hablas, a clean shoot is worth $10k of lawyer up in the states and a questionable one up to $50k. And that's in a country where you have rights and rule of law.

[grollies]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Ugh...dude, are you kidding? You aren't trained, and are in Thailand. You pull that trigger,say bye bye to your life.

 

I can tell you from personal experience that even though los muertos no hablas, a clean shoot is worth $10k of lawyer up in the states and a questionable one up to $50k. And that's in a country where you have rights and rule of law.

Round here everyone with a cash business is armed to the teeth. My immediate neighbour has a pump-action pistol grip, a glock and a 9mm Czech handgun in the office. He also has a huge American pitbull. Owns the cassava depot, carries a lot of cash on site.

 

Same for the wood depot down the road, same for the agri shop next door.

 

Everyone knows they are armed, deterrent effect works well.

 

I know what you are saying though.

 

 

[mogandave]

“God made man, Sam Colt made them equal.”

[doggie1955]

Back in Kingman, AZ... I had a sign on my gate that said: "I have a Gun and a Dog and a Shovel" But here in Thailand, all I need is my dogs and my shovel...But I still have my guns!

[stud858]

There is too much assumption with guns and maybe those assumptions come from movie watching. 

 

As someone already said, it can't end well. 

 

Maybe in a gun culture society like America, but not Thailand.

 

Stick with Web streamed CCTV, and electricution warning signs, 

 

 

[wildewillie89]

On 8/12/2018 at 6:58 PM, grollies said:

Anyway, we bought a S&W .38 on the advice of the local BIB.

 

Complete waste of 75k in my opinion but keeps wife happy.

Cousin has sold a few to some farang near us to keep their partners happy also. Mrs wanted one, but with kids I didn't. Got these instead.

The one in the video was 10 months at the time (matures at 2 years - so warning barks transition into body slams if need be). 7,000 were used to patrol the Berlin Wall. Now used in Russian prisons and to guard. If brought up in a family they will show their nurturing side more. Downside of that is they grade people on how cowardly they are. Cowards on rare occasions they ignore, but mostly chase away, non cowards they attack. We had friends visit once with their 3 year old. The dog (leashed) would let the mother (even though stranger) touch her child, but not let the father near it. Nurturing side of the dog (protecting the weakest). 

Issue I had with that was a few kidnappings of children near us by small women using their kids (cowards in the dogs eyes). So got the black one, probably the only breed in the world (proper lines) with real natural attack without warning socialisation will not prevent. Accepts family, mother/father/sister in law as spent time with them as puppy, but no one else (including women and children). Popular among Thai police these days (but after a few attacks on people during puppy hood they finally realise they are different and need to be fenced).  

Idea is the dog in the video is naturally nocturnal so works at night out of the sun. The other is from a hot climate so loves the heat of the day. The nocturnal breed is an independent thinker so patrols the borders, whereas the other naturally stays close to house/person - Velcro dog. If good lines will not generally accept food off strangers. Also surprisingly good at killing snakes. According to the Russians and National Geographic, the nocturnal one has stopping power of a .45 caliber bullet. The other I have seen news reports of one dog taking multiple bullets and living to drive off intruders so would be similar. 
 

 

Edited August 15, 2018 by wildewillie89

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

Cousin has sold a few to some farang near us to keep their partners happy also. Mrs wanted one, but with kids I didn't. Got these instead.

The one in the video was 10 months at the time (matures at 2 years - so warning barks transition into body slams if need be). 7,000 were used to patrol the Berlin Wall. Now used in Russian prisons and to guard. If brought up in a family they will show their nurturing side more. Downside of that is they grade people on how cowardly they are. Cowards on rare occasions they ignore, but mostly chase away, non cowards they attack. We had friends visit once with their 3 year old. The dog (leashed) would let the mother (even though stranger) touch her child, but not let the father near it. Nurturing side of the dog (protecting the weakest). 

Issue I had with that was a few kidnappings of children near us by small women using their kids (cowards in the dogs eyes). So got the black one, probably the only breed in the world (proper lines) with real natural attack without warning socialisation will not prevent. Accepts family, mother/father/sister in law as spent time with them as puppy, but no one else (including women and children). Popular among Thai police these days (but after a few attacks on people during puppy hood they finally realise they are different and need to be fenced).  

Idea is the dog in the video is naturally nocturnal so works at night out of the sun. The other is from a hot climate so loves the heat of the day. The nocturnal breed is an independent thinker so patrols the borders, whereas the other naturally stays close to house/person - Velcro dog. If good lines will not generally accept food off strangers. Also surprisingly good at killing snakes. According to the Russians and National Geographic, the nocturnal one has stopping power of a .45 caliber bullet. The other I have seen news reports of one dog taking multiple bullets and living to drive off intruders so would be similar. 
 

 

The amount of so called guard dogs that will actually engage an intruder is very very low.People think they have a dog that will bite but very few do so without proper training.In the Op's case it sounds like the thieves know when the place is deserted and then come and take stuff.Not likely these people come with guns blazing and empty the whole place or show up when they know people are there.

What the OP needs is a few dogs that will make a lot of noise so they will alarm the workers wo are living on the site.A guard dog in a kennel is useless just like you can not protect your family with a gun if you are not at home!!!

You can use a combination of dogs and electronic devices or protect your investment and or family.There are other options but i think this will do for Henk Jan.

[Henkjan2]

About the dogs it is just so hard to find the wright one and training by ourselves is not really an option. What you dont want is a dog accidently bite the wrong person.

 

I actually did have contact with a breeder (and trainer) of Shermans, but he had nothing for sale for the rest of the year.

 

For now, unless my wife brings the gunidea up again, i will stick with the cameras and warning signs (and a big bat in reach lol).  So i do listen to your advice guys, thank you!

 

As you can see the fences are already being made so imho thats a big step foward in security level and also a big relief  ...

[wildewillie89]

17 hours ago, jvs said:

The amount of so called guard dogs that will actually engage an intruder is very very low.People think they have a dog that will bite but very few do so without proper training.In the Op's case it sounds like the thieves know when the place is deserted and then come and take stuff.Not likely these people come with guns blazing and empty the whole place or show up when they know people are there.

What the OP needs is a few dogs that will make a lot of noise so they will alarm the workers wo are living on the site.A guard dog in a kennel is useless just like you can not protect your family with a gun if you are not at home!!!

You can use a combination of dogs and electronic devices or protect your investment and or family.There are other options but i think this will do for Henk Jan.

Yes...99.99% of dogs would not engage an intruder. Of that .01% that will, it is quite hard to near impossible these days to find working lines.

[jvs]

3 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

Yes...99.99% of dogs would not engage an intruder. Of that .01% that will, it is quite hard to near impossible these days to find working lines.

All depends where you are looking,not really hard to find a good dog.

It is not so difficult to train a suitable dog to engage but that opens a whole other can of worms.

Very uncertain scared dogs in a pack can be a very good deterrent and they are for free here in Thailand.

[wildewillie89]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

All depends where you are looking,not really hard to find a good dog.

It is not so difficult to train a suitable dog to engage but that opens a whole other can of worms.

Very uncertain scared dogs in a pack can be a very good deterrent and they are for free here in Thailand.

If good dogs means NOT letting anyone on the land at all then it is very hard as nearly all dogs will pee themselves if challenged.  Unless someone is spending big on acquisition (importing) and are professional re training, then the dog will be easily disposed of by people not scared of dogs/under the influence. Waste of money and time for most in my opinion as Thai don't mind harming/killing dogs just for barking let alone having an actual reason to. 

Scared dogs in packs are useful against scared people but not much else. Thai grandmas are even great at knowing how to drive away scared packs. Really depends on how much the intruders want the goods. From my experience within the village, those usually scared of dogs suddenly become much braver when they decide to do silly things under the influence.

There are naturally aggressive dogs that require no training, however, require a huge understanding of the dog to be safely kept. It is why the Thai police force are big on Filas now for personal home protection, as the standard Thai Bangkaew is no longer regarded as sufficient - minimal stopping power. Lines in Thai are hit and miss though. Some hit instincts at about 11 months (standard is 5), others as early as 2-3 months. Many are unstable due to being mixed.  In terms of the OP wanting German Shepherds, it was a while ago now but when I had a look it seemed to be more show lines in Thai. 

[Henkjan2]

Now the wife is interested in a Bang Kaew dog for after i'm gone home; she had one earlier a long time ago.

 

 I read they are protective to the owner and can patrol a warehouse, but also stubborn to learn. 

 

I dont know is this a good idea or is it  ???

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Bangkaew_Dog

[Damrongsak]

On 8/11/2018 at 4:33 PM, Nyezhov said:

...  in the USA carried a Browning High Power or a 1911 primarily for 40 years. ...

My favorites.  I have two BHPs (mid-1990s commercial versions) and a pristine Remington-Rand 1911A1.  The Hi Power fits my small hand and points well for me.  The 1911A1 was acquired from a family friend in the military - it was free.  I don't carry much, but have had my concealed carry permit for 15 years or so.  In my state, open carry is fine.

 

I attended as "dog bite" lecture/demo a couple times, given by a professional trainer.  She would bring a Belgian Malinois, a Rottweiler and an Argentinian Dogo.  She let the first two show their stuff on well-padded volunteers.  The Dogo was off-limits.  Big, seemingly laid-back white dog that looked dumb.  Not.  They used to turn them loose to hunt down big game.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Damrongsak

[AYJAYDEE]

This has got to be a joke!!

[connda]

On 7/25/2018 at 11:46 PM, Henkjan2 said:

Maybe i would consider a real 100% thief a warning shot, 

You'll get arrested, fined, possibly imprisoned, and you'll lose the gun.
 

On 7/25/2018 at 11:46 PM, Henkjan2 said:

maybe a shot on the legs to stop him.

You'll get arrested, fined, you will be imprisoned, you'll lose the gun, and you'll pay compensation to the person you shot. 
It's probably best that you don't have a gun.  That way you'll stay out of jail. Buy the German Shepard. 

[user343434]

On 8/13/2018 at 3:16 AM, grollies said:

See, this is what I like about the TVF. At first you'll get some piss-taking and daft comments but gradually the advice starts to improve until you get the right answers. And go with the bangkeow dog idea too. I've a cross-breed and she can be a right nasty bugger.

At least a few people who know about dogs here..

Especially Bang Kaew will not start significantly learning before they getting 2 years but when they get the hang they even want more than 15 min per day. Never had a German Shepherd that motivated. 

But that could be a reason why Bang Kaews getting sometimes a bit ferocious with the coming age.

Lucky mine turned into real guard and family dogs just when it comes to cats they lose their control an kill them in seconds as soon they sneak onto my yard. 

You can use their instincts and train them but you never can switch off their instincts.  

[metisdead]

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[metisdead]

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[jvs]

28 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Some inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

Sorry about that but i felt i just had to react .

[wildewillie89]

On 8/19/2018 at 2:06 AM, Damrongsak said:

The Dogo was off-limits

Wonder if the OP would be able to exercise it enough. Otherwise rather than intruders stealing goods, the dog would just destroy the goods. Many lines are deaf these days too so unless the dog actually saw/felt vibrations from the intruders...I imagine would be very vulnerable to the Thai sun. There is a club in Thailand from memory.