Thai ID card coding

[bluesofa]

I hope this is the correct forum to ask this.

In the past there's been some discussion about the first digit of Thai ID cards.

 

What I can't find anything about is '9' as the first digit.

For some reason I thought it was reserved for the royal family, but last week I saw a photo of someone from the south arrested for something or other, along with a photo of his ID, which had '9' as the first digit.

 

Second point is about foreigners who have gained Thai nationality. That is an '8' first digit. The photo of a card I saw was a pink ID card, not the blue Thai card.

Does that mean only a Thai by birth will ever have the blue ID card?

 

This is the page listing some of the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_identity_card

 

[KhunBENQ]

What I (believed to) know.

 

#9 is for the Royal family. No idea about this arrested person. Fake? Bad joke?

 

#8 is given for foreigners with permanent residency.

Uncertain about this:

If they are naturalized they will keep the ID but get a blue Thai ID card. ?

Edited August 18, 2018 by KhunBENQ

[jackdd]

https://th.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/เลขประจำตัวประชาชนไทย

 

First digit 9 is for people who are not Thai but are somehow permitted to stay in Thailand. I don't understand it much, but nothing to do with royal family

[Maestro]

29 minutes ago, jackdd said:

https://th.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/เลขประจำตัวประชาชนไทย

 

First digit 9 is for people who are not Thai but are somehow permitted to stay in Thailand. I don't understand it much, but nothing to do with royal family

 

Yes. It is for stateless persons who cannot get Thai nationality but have been granted permission to stay in Thailand.

[bluesofa]

2 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Yes. It is for stateless persons who cannot get Thai nationality but have been granted permission to stay in Thailand.

Hi, where does this information come from? Do you have a link or or something else?

 

[Maestro]

45 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Uncertain about this:

If they are naturalized they will keep the ID but get a blue Thai ID card. ?

 

It looks like this.

 

There this diagramme, but with the first digit nine missing: 

 

Source: http://www.isaanlawyers.com/pink-id-card-for-foreigners-in-thailand/digits-of-thai-id-card/

 

[Maestro]

15 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Hi, where does this information come from? Do you have a link or or something else?

 

 

From the link given above by jackdd:

https://th.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/เลขประจำตัวประชาชนไทย#ประเภทที่_9 (in Thai language)

There is the link senate.go.th/w3c/senate/pictures/comm/56/file_1382602801.doc, now dead, on this subject. There is probably something on http://www.krisdika.go.th, but the site seems down at the moment and one would have to know how to look for it.

[KhunBENQ]

Interesting and negating the "royal" theory.

Royals being in this category just as "exceptional"?

[bluesofa]

Yes, I noticed that before, and was slightly confused.

 

When everyone receives their tax return from the Tax Department, it has their ID number at the top. I came across this years ago. The envelope is listed as being sent to Rama 9:

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by bluesofa

[Maestro]

Does the revenue department perhaps use the first digit nine for foreigners who do not have a Thai ID number, ie who are not listed in a house registration book or for juristic persons or both?

[jackdd]

Maybe somebody just made a mistake on Wikipedia. A few months ago somebody changed the title of this paragraph from digit "0" to digit "9"

 

Here is some other source: http://region1.prd.go.th/ewt_news.php?nid=17958

This source says 9 means royal family

[bluesofa]

3 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Maybe somebody just made a mistake on Wikipedia. A few months ago somebody changed the title of this paragraph from digit "0" to digit "9"

 

Here is some other source: http://region1.prd.go.th/ewt_news.php?nid=17958

This source says 9 means royal family

That seems to fit in with the tax return envelope. All I know is that was how it was described when I saved the image.

Baffling that different sources have different ideas though.

 

[ubonjoe]

11 hours ago, bluesofa said:

That seems to fit in with the tax return envelope.

That does not appear to be a atual ID number issued by an Amphoe. The digits on it do not match up to one. It is likely only a tax identification number (TIN) that the revenue department issues to those that do not have a ID number.

At one time even Thais were issued a TIN until the regulation were changed so that a Thai ID number is used.

[bluesofa]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That does not appear to be a atual ID number issued by an Amphoe. The digits on it do not match up to one. It is likely only a tax identification number (TIN) that the revenue department issues to those that do not have a ID number.

At one time even Thais were issued a TIN until the regulation were changed so that a Thai ID number is used.

That's interesting UJ.

You obviously know more about it that me. I don't live in Bangkok, but without looking it up, I assumed in the 9-1001- part, 10 was BKK and 01 was amphur muang, but I don't know if BKK follows the same as the rest of the country.

Or is there something else I've missed?

 

[jackdd]

22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That does not appear to be a atual ID number issued by an Amphoe. The digits on it do not match up to one. It is likely only a tax identification number (TIN) that the revenue department issues to those that do not have a ID number.

At one time even Thais were issued a TIN until the regulation were changed so that a Thai ID number is used.

Actually it matches up to an ID number:

1: 9 = royal family according to the second source

2-3: 10 = Bangkok

4-5: 01 = Amphoe Meuang

6-10: He got number 1 because he was the King

11-12: Again number 1 because he was the King

13: Checksum

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by jackdd

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I don't live in Bangkok, but without looking it up, I assumed in the 9-1001- part, 10 was BKK and 01 was amphur muang, but I don't know if BKK follows the same as the rest of the country.

Not sure how they number the provinces and Amphoes. I would think it could be 01 and upwards for province and Amphoe. Alos I don't think a check sum would be 0.

The numbering is the same in every province.

[jackdd]

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure how they number the provinces and Amphoes. I would think it could be 01 and upwards for province and Amphoe. Alos I don't think a check sum would be 0.

The numbering is the same in every province.

The provinces are numbered according to ISO 3166-2:TH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:TH so Bangkok is 10

A checksum can of course be 0, there is no reason why this should not be possible

[bluesofa]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure how they number the provinces and Amphoes. I would think it could be 01 and upwards for province and Amphoe. Alos I don't think a check sum would be 0.

The numbering is the same in every province.

The ISO numbering for provinces is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Thailand

for 9-1001- the 01 is always amphur muang, but you need to look up other amphurs per province individually.

Having said that I don't know if BKK is an exception regarding the 01.

I seem to remember KhunBENQ is pretty good on the checksums? Perhaps the RAMA 9 ID could be an exception anyway.

 

 

[jackdd]

For example here: https://www.getnewidentity.com/validate-id.php you can see that the checksum is ok