Nursing Council asks for understanding after clip of elderly patient being abused goes viral

[snoop1130]

Nursing Council asks for understanding after clip of elderly patient being abused goes viral

By THE NATION

 

 

THE THAILAND Nursing and Midwifery Council has vowed to investigate the rough handling of a 90-year-old patient in intensive care, after a clip of the incident sparked public outrage.

 

But the nursing body also asked for understanding for the heavy workload being borne by the nurse, at one of the country’s largest state hospitals. 

 

“From what I’ve heard, instead of having one nurse for every two patients [as normal], this critical-care unit has one nurse for every eight patients,” the council’s secretary-general Asst Professor Angkana Sariyaporn said on Wednesday.     

 

She was speaking after an outpouring of anger over a widely shared clip showing the nurse throwing a blanket on an aged patient, then violently yanking him from the left side of the bed to the middle before shoving a sheet under his head. The incident occurred at the Buddhachinaraj Hospital in Phitsanulok province.

 

“We were shocked by the clip and we are sorry for what happened,” said Angkana, adding that the council would set up a panel this week to investigate the nurse in question. Possible punishments for the culprit range from a warning to the revocation of their nursing licence.

 

Buddhachinaraj Hospital director Dr Suchat Porncharoenpong has proposed that the nurse be transferred out of his facility. 

 

The hospital’s deputy director, Wisit Sathienwanthanee, explained that the nurse may have been overstressed at having to care for so many patients. Buddhachinaraj Hospital is the third largest state hospital in the country, with thousands of patients under its care.    

 

Assoc Professor Dr Somsak Tiamkao, a medical lecturer at Khon Kaen University’s Faculty of Medicine, urged understanding from patients and relatives as the best way of encouraging medical workers to carry out their duties and live up to public expectations. 

 

“I know doctors and nurses are expected to care for patients as if they were their own family members … but sometimes factors affect our delivery of services,” Somsak commented on Facebook. 

 

He pointed out that there were serious shortages of medical staff at several state hospitals, and that doctors and nurses often came to work despite being ill themselves. 

 

“Studies show medical workers suffer more health problems than people in other professions,” he wrote. 

 

According to the Nursing and Midwifery Council, nurses at large state hospitals such as Buddhachinaraj Hospital work an average of 296 hours a month, or over 70 hours per week. 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30355279

 

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[inactiveposter]

“Buddhachinaraj Hospital director Dr Suchat Porncharoenpong has proposed that the nurse be transferred out of his facility. “

That’s not a solution. The Catholic Church did that for years.

[doremifasol]

This is wrong on so many levels.......

 

Feel sorry for all those involved but the board of directors.

 

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[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

 

But the nursing body also asked for understanding for the heavy workload being borne by the nurse, at one of the country’s largest state hospitals. 

No justification for their behaviour. 

 

Sack them if they can’t cope. 

[BestB]

The man in the clip had passed away 1 day later according to Thai media. When he was rough handled, oxygen tube came loose and nurse never plugged it back in,

 

Man was in his 90's, his son did not press any charges, saying his father was very old already but wants to make sure it does not happen to anyone else.

 

Nurse claimed she was rough because of problems she was/is having at home.

 

Well, i would say this nurse and hospital are very lucky, because if this was me or anyone else but this guy, nurse should be charged with murder and made to pay blood money, irrespective of her excuses.

 

Everyone has problems, it does not mean, she gets to take it out on a sick person.

[richard_smith237]

 

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence, which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care.

 

This distinct difference 'should' result in a significant gulf in charges between the two - this is a clear case of Gross Negligence, both civil and criminal charges need to be pressed if anyone is serious about preventing further such incidents. 

[Goldieinkathu]

A shocking and deeply upsetting video.

There are no excuses for this!

[Chassa]

Guess if it's OK for the PM to lose it, it's OK for a nurse!!

[KKr]

very sad that people are being treated like this, not only in the hospital in the video unfortunately.

proper education including learning to think before you do will help. 
Supervision and administrators that move around in the facilities, and addresses issues,
not just scolds people that have to do all the work that should be shared,
such as, most importantly, addressing the apparent shortage of staff what should be a priority.

[saminoz]

I think the generl public have all the understanding they need.

Sh1tty hospital, terrible excuse for a nurse and the usual arse covering f*ckwits running the show!

[colinneil]

Nursing council ask for understanding !! What an absolute load of c++p.

The nurse in question should be instantly dismissed.

WORKLOAD MY A++E, i spent 7 months in a government hospital and 99.9% of the nurses were caring, hard working, dedicated people.

Only 1 nurse i came in contact with had similar behavior to the 1 in the video.

[dddave]

I'm would not be surprised if half the budget for nurses salaries is going into administrators pockets; thus the shortage and the overwork.

Not just here.

An elderly patient in  VA hospital near Boston died while the nurse hired to monitor him played video games outside his room. 

[BritManToo]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

But the nursing body also asked for understanding for the heavy workload being borne by the nurse, at one of the country’s largest state hospitals. 

Was in NakornPing Hospital yesterday, dozens of pretty smiling nurses (and assistant nurses) everywhere.

Seemed to be as many nurses as patients.

 

One of the things I like about Thai state hospitals, they never seem to skimp on the nursing staff.

Unlike the NHS, where there seems to be only one nurse per ward.

 

Why was this Thai nurse, in this one hospital under such a heavy workload?

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, dddave said:

I'm would not be surprised if half the budget for nurses salaries is going into administrators pockets; thus the shortage and the overwork.

Not just here.

An elderly patient in  VA hospital near Boston died while the nurse hired to monitor him played video games outside his room. 

Problem is they created a free healthcare system (great) but all governments forgot to fund it to the level it needs (bad) because they rather use the budget for other stuff.

 

Toon his run for hospitals is a great example of it, the free healthcare is costing a lot but is not adequately funded so will cost even more. The thing is the politicians and junta did nothing to fund the health program and thus you got overworked nurses and doctors and old equipment. (probably not easy enough to take a cut from this budget so why fund it)

 

That does not excuse the nurse.. but it does show why its the way it is. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Was in NakornPing Hospital yesterday, dozens of pretty smiling nurses (and assistant nurses) everywhere.

Seemed to be as many nurses as patients.

 

One of the things I like about Thai state hospitals, they never seem to skimp on the nursing staff.

Unlike the NHS, where there seems to be only one nurse per ward.

 

Why was this Thai nurse, in this one hospital under such a heavy workload?

I think you will see there is a large difference between public and private hospitals. Though I cant be sure what kind of hospital NakornPing is.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Though I cant be sure what kind of hospital NakornPing is.

Government Hospital. Neighbour just had a baby. My last kid was born there too.

Totally free, unless you want to pay 1,000bht/night for a private room.

[cookieqw]

Well,  if the administrators condone it.  

??????

[chainarong]

Understanding of what , throughout the world there much of this going on , after pulling out 2 billion on seniors the new u beaut PM of OZ has promised 100 million in extra grants, obviously forgetting when he was treasurer he whipped out 2 billion, but also called for a royal commission into senior nursing home care etc,  abuse of seniors in OZ is rife, its out of control, and if the Oz bank and insurance inquiry is anything to go by it should be interesting indeed, so why not install a few secret camera's ( initiated generally by the persons family)  around the nursing homes and hospital wards in this fair land of smiles and just see what does happen to elderly Thai's.

[KKr]

23 hours ago, colinneil said:

Nursing council ask for understanding !! What an absolute load of c++p.

The nurse in question should be instantly dismissed.

WORKLOAD MY A++E, i spent 7 months in a government hospital and 99.9% of the nurses were caring, hard working, dedicated people.

Only 1 nurse i came in contact with had similar behavior to the 1 in the video.

Thank you for that. 
also in my limited experience on the receiving end of health care, in Thailand, and various other countries,  I do not remember a nurse that did not truly care.

[KKr]

23 hours ago, dddave said:

I'm would not be surprised if half the budget for nurses salaries is going into administrators pockets;

Dave, did you do some calculations on that ?
looks like you are pointing to a serious and large issue, so from budget vs staff numbers vs average salary some discrepancies should show up if you are right ?

[NanLaew]

On 9/26/2018 at 9:58 PM, BestB said:

The man in the clip had passed away 1 day later according to Thai media. When he was rough handled, oxygen tube came loose and nurse never plugged it back in,

 

Man was in his 90's, his son did not press any charges, saying his father was very old already but wants to make sure it does not happen to anyone else.

 

Nurse claimed she was rough because of problems she was/is having at home.

 

Well, i would say this nurse and hospital are very lucky, because if this was me or anyone else but this guy, nurse should be charged with murder and made to pay blood money, irrespective of her excuses.

 

Everyone has problems, it does not mean, she gets to take it out on a sick person.

 

Meanwhile, in Thailand, kreng jai rules.

[arithai12]

On 9/26/2018 at 8:00 PM, snoop1130 said:

According to the Nursing and Midwifery Council, nurses at large state hospitals such as Buddhachinaraj Hospital work an average of 296 hours a month, or over 70 hours per week.

I have seen my share of hospitals, and I have observed that often in Thailand there are about 5 nurses doing the job of 1. They might be inside the hospital 70 hours/week, but they mostly sit down chatting among themselves. It's part of the general system of making everyone employed even if it means redundancy and low salaries. Not necessarily a bad thing, but don't say that they are overworked.

 

The secretary of this and the director of that should be sacked, along with the abusing nurse, for trying to defend the indefensible and perpetuate the "you do not understand" culture which has no place inside an hospital.

[scorecard]

On 9/27/2018 at 10:00 AM, robblok said:

I think you will see there is a large difference between public and private hospitals. Though I cant be sure what kind of hospital NakornPing is.

 

It's a very large government hospital located in Chiang Mai.

[lopburi3]

On 9/26/2018 at 9:58 PM, BestB said:

The man in the clip had passed away 1 day later according to Thai media. When he was rough handled, oxygen tube came loose and nurse never plugged it back in,

 

Man was in his 90's, his son did not press any charges, saying his father was very old already but wants to make sure it does not happen to anyone else.

 

Nurse claimed she was rough because of problems she was/is having at home.

 

Well, i would say this nurse and hospital are very lucky, because if this was me or anyone else but this guy, nurse should be charged with murder and made to pay blood money, irrespective of her excuses.

 

Everyone has problems, it does not mean, she gets to take it out on a sick person.

This has been reported as totally false information and was not mainstream media reporting AFAIK - patient in good condition and being well taken care off is official report.

[BestB]

29 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

This has been reported as totally false information and was not mainstream media reporting AFAIK - patient in good condition and being well taken care off is official report.

Was in Facebook feed, do you have link to official report?

[boonrawdcnx]

Well looks like we should hire more nurses instead of buying more useless submarines, aircraft carriers without planes, useless bomb detectors and the list goes on and on. But then again nurses don’t line the big pockets and they don’t buy you any million baht watches which you can then pretend you borrowed from dead friends.

 

Or maybe we could train a few thousand useless generals who are nothing but a waste of tax payers money to become nurses and do some real work for a change.

 

 

 

 

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[mike324]

 

 

 

Secretary-general of  Nursing and Midwifery Council, Angkhana Sariyapong said.

“From investigating the ward, we found that this nurse is generally a good, fast, nonviolent worker,” Angkhana said. “At that moment, she saw that the patient was on the edge of the bed, and was afraid that he would fall, so she had to tug him because usually it takes two nurses to do so. She was being caring because she put a pillow underneath his head.”

 

What kind of excuse is that!