Thai government should act to stop Thais using images of "Mr Hitler"

[Orton Rd]

35 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. And many Thais fought partisan actions against the Japanese or risked all by sabotaging the Jap war effort.

 

Many Europeans don't bother with the Asian perspective on history.

This is almost a total myth, very few Thais, not many, took any action against the Japanese

[Rimmer]

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[brucegoniners]

I agree. As a Jew I'm shocked and dismayed that these people are so ignorant about the past.

 

Hitler restaurants and hotels. Kids wearing Nazi costumes.

 

It's sickening.

[milwaukeeboy]

I am not offended by this hotel room decor and I feel no guilt or shame over it.

Go ahead and call me a Nazi. I just would like to know the truth of why he is the only one singled out to be the face of "evil".

The image of Hitler and the swastika are merely icons made taboo, by a group of people who don't want us questioning too deeply the big picture.

There are so many atrocities going on in the world that are equally offensive which we are not allowed to question.
 

[Raymonddiaz]

It's just a lack of real education. They study fake history where they won every war against Burma. 

[Classic Ray]

Thais are quick enough to condemn any foreigners bearing a Buddha tattoo or trying to export any Buddha ornaments, claiming disrespect for their culture and history. Maybe they should look at their own behaviour in respect of objects and images that may be abhorrent to foreign tourists.

[Bill Miller]

2 hours ago, Esso49 said:

But Thailand and Germany were allies during Hitler's lifetime so perhaps they may have a different viewpoint than the Western world.

False. Thailand was, emphatically, NOT allied with Germany,
Thailand was officially neutral until invaded by Japan in 1941. There was soon after an armistice, and then a military alliance with Japan under  Plaek Phibunsongkhram. There was never an alliance with Germany, though Thailand did officially declare war on the Allies, seeing an opportunity to regain territory earlier lost to France.
An alliance with one nation does not automatically mean an alliance with that nation's  allies.
There was a split in the Thai government over this alliance with Japan.  Opposing Plaek's policy was a  pro-Allied resistance movement that eventually numbered around 90,000 Thai guerrillas, supported by government officials allied to the regent Pridi Banomyong.
History, folks. ????

 

[Krataiboy]

. . . the Spiderman Room. 

 

No key issued. You just shin up the wall to your web of vice.

[Bill Miller]

22 minutes ago, milwaukeeboy said:

I am not offended by this hotel room decor and I feel no guilt or shame over it.

Go ahead and call me a Nazi. I just would like to know the truth of why he is the only one singled out to be the face of "evil".

The image of Hitler and the swastika are merely icons made taboo, by a group of people who don't want us questioning too deeply the big picture.

There are so many atrocities going on in the world that are equally offensive which we are not allowed to question.
 

He is by no means "the only one."
Hitler and the swastika are not "merely" anything.
They are known, proven, and disgusting symbols of a regime that in cold, calculated fashion attempted the murder of an entire people. They succeeded in extrajudicial killing of  millions of people, not beginning to count war related casualties.
 

Group	Number of Deaths
Jews	6 million
Soviet civilians	around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)
Soviet prisoners of war	around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers)
Non-Jewish Polish civilians	around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites)
Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina)	312,000
People with disabilities living in institutions	up to 250,000
Roma (Gypsies)	196,000–220,000
Jehovah's Witnesses	around 1,900
Repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials	at least 70,000
German political opponents and resistance activists in Axis-occupied territory	undetermined
Homosexuals	hundreds, possibly thousands (possibly also counted in part under the 70,000 repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials noted above)

If you are not outraged by that, then I have to ask if you have any humanity whatsoever.
I have spoken with people who were there, who were eyewitnesses. Some who against the odds were survivors. Some who helped to liberate those survivors.
Even some who were in the Nazi system, through no choice of their own.
Tell us some more about how you find this acceptable.

 

[DrTuner]

Ah it was a short time room. Kinky. 

 

Anyway, get over it. Hitler & Stalin & Mao are dead. If you want to screw under their gaze, hell, whatever dude, up to you.

[Tailwagsdog]

3 hours ago, Vacuum said:

 

Why should they care about the history of Europe?

Contemporary history of the world is important the last 20 years helps explain the current geopolitical situation between the free world and communist regimes in china & USSR that have mutated into national socialist (facist) dictatorships that could see a repeat of history as we saw in WW2, although on a much bigger scale. The fact is two democracies never fight each other thats why we may have to go to war again to defend our freedom & democracy. 

[Tailwagsdog]

Sorry i meant the last 200 years

[Esso49]

16 minutes ago, Bill Miller said:

False. Thailand was, emphatically, NOT allied with Germany,
Thailand was officially neutral until invaded by Japan in 1941. There was soon after an armistice, and then a military alliance with Japan under  Plaek Phibunsongkhram. There was never an alliance with Germany, though Thailand did officially declare war on the Allies, seeing an opportunity to regain territory earlier lost to France.
An alliance with one nation does not automatically mean an alliance with that nation's  allies.
There was a split in the Thai government over this alliance with Japan.  Opposing Plaek's policy was a  pro-Allied resistance movement that eventually numbered around 90,000 Thai guerrillas, supported by government officials allied to the regent Pridi Banomyong.
History, folks. ????

 

You should really concentrate more on actual history rather than disputing facts and trying to be a clever dick , stating my article was false, and hence you proven wrong.  refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Thailand#Europe

 

Part of which, if you can be bothered to read down the article, states, " during World War II , the Thai Government was in alliance with the German and Japanese Governments."  So rather than cut and paste something then why not in future research the facts.  Or are you one of those members who dispute Wiki ?

 

Further correct reading of my post then you would have read that I mentioned that they were allies, as in an alliance, something perhaps you do not understand so for your benefit here is the definition

 

"Members of an alliance are called allies. Alliances form in many settings, including political alliances, military alliances and business alliances."

 

Now something else you did not comprehend is that when associated with a military alliance, which you mentioned but I did not, it is usually referred to as Allies. Thats with a capital A. Mine was spelt with  a lower case "a" because I understand the difference. This time I cut and paste for your education

 

"When spelled with a capital "A", "Allies" usually denotes the countries who fought together against the Central Powers in World War I (the Allies of World War I), or those who fought against the Axis Powers in World War II (the Allies of World War II). "

 

So as I correctly stated  Germany and Thailand were allies during Hitler's lifetime.

 

 

 

 

[xtrnuno41]

SO what about all those earlier Europeans going to, now USA, South America, and slaughtered the Indians?

What about all those Europeans and Americans having slave labour, by deporting thousands of people from Africa.

Treating them for ages like shit, still do. Jews arent really special, it is just another group. Now they slaughter Palestinians where they are. In earlier times christians were fed to the lions by the Romans and so there are many history stories full of slaughter and suppression. A Mao tse Tung, Stalin, Lenin and so on and so on. ALso the opponents of them were the same.

Where do they all come from? All those indoctrinating, manipulating ass**** and still they are among us with millions.

[JAG]

I wonder if the Embassy of The Federal Republic of Germany have (or will) be in touch?

 

They are somewhat sensitive about such matters...

[jaiyen]

They have a Japanese room too.  Someone should tell all about what the Japanese did during the war to Thais and many other nationals.  We all know because we had an education.

[RandolphGB]

53 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

Thais are quick enough to condemn any foreigners bearing a Buddha tattoo or trying to export any Buddha ornaments, claiming disrespect for their culture and history. Maybe they should look at their own behaviour in respect of objects and images that may be abhorrent to foreign tourists.

Good point. Some might say this is another example of their cultural hypocrisy 

[terminatorchiangmai]

4 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

My adopted Thai daughter was a Senior at Varee when that took place.  She was horrified and walked out, refusing to have anything to do with it.  When she came home, the first thing she did was to tell me: "Dad, I didn't have anything to do with what you'll see on the news about my school." 

 

This was Sacred Heart school , not Varee.

Doesn't matter if you want to contribute with something constructive , but do your research first otherwise you look foolish in a serious mather.

Edited October 5, 2018 by terminatorchiangmai

[JAG]

37 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

SO what about all those earlier Europeans going to, now USA, South America, and slaughtered the Indians?

What about all those Europeans and Americans having slave labour, by deporting thousands of people from Africa.

Treating them for ages like shit, still do. Jews arent really special, it is just another group. Now they slaughter Palestinians where they are. In earlier times christians were fed to the lions by the Romans and so there are many history stories full of slaughter and suppression. A Mao tse Tung, Stalin, Lenin and so on and so on. ALso the opponents of them were the same.

Where do they all come from? All those indoctrinating, manipulating ass**** and still they are among us with millions.

This argument crops up every time. The answer is the same every time.

 

Singling out Nazism and what it did to European Jewry is not to ignore or condone the actions of all those that you mention (although I would take issue with you about "Jews" slaughtering Palestinians). The Nazis were unique in that they emerged from a people and nation who were one of the most cultured, educated, economically and politically sophisticated in the world.

 

Nazism turned that country to developing an industrialised nationwide programme, which consumed significant resources and could not have continued without at least the awareness if not the active collusion of much of its population. This programme was devoted to, and largely successful in exterminating mercilessly both Germany's own significant Jewish population and that of the many European states which it conquered and subjegated.

 

This programme was conducted for racial and idealogical reasons, and continued throughout Nazi Germany's last desperate fight for survival, using manpower and resources which were desperately needed elsewhere. The trains to the death camps were running right up to the end, when ammunition and manpower could not be moved to the fighting fronts for lack of trains. What is more, the civilian population of the country knew - Google "The Celle rabbit hunt" if you want confirmation of that!

 

That all encompassing national dedication to this genocide is what makes it stand out, and it is what I believe makes it so evil. It is also why it is incumbent upon those of us from Europe to educate, inform and do everything we can to stop the "glamourisation" of Nazism and it's iconography, even if the people here are innocent by virtue of ignorance.

 

Back (closer) to the topic. The school I teach at has an annual concert. The backdrop is painted by the senior children, directed by the art department. A couple of years ago the backdrop featured a vignette of each continent. Europe was represented by The Colloseum and The Eifel Tower, surmounted by a swastica flag. I leapt in feet first, and explained what that meant. After a 10 minute history lesson, they were horrified and painted it out...

Edited October 5, 2018 by JAG

[phkauf]

At a minimum it makes Thailand look foolish! 

[Esso49]

5 minutes ago, phkauf said:

At a minimum it makes Thailand look foolish! 

And I am sure your point will be duly noted by the Thais !!

[nasa123]

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[Suradit69]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

They said that The Sun in the UK and the Jerusalem Post and lots of other media were condemning the Thais for their lack of knowledge of history.

What about the western comedies that make Nazis and Hitler fun characters? Do people in the US and UK lack knowledge of history?

 

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Springtime for Hitler: A Gay Romp With Adolf and Eva at Berchtesgaden is a fictional musical in Mel Brooks's 1967 film

 

Or the BBC comedy 'Allo 'Allo

 

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A French cafe owner tries to ride out World War II. Caught between the Gestapo and the Resistance and forced into working with both

 

Or the American TV comedy Hogan's Heroes. 

 

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Perhaps the funniest show ever made about fictional hilarity in a Nazi P.O.W. prison, this series focuses on Stalag 13, a camp set aside for U.S. resistance fighters and overseen by the strict but bumbling Col. Klink

 

[Redline]

7 hours ago, Vacuum said:

 

Why should they care about the history of Europe?

Why should anyone care about anything? It was a huge historical event.  You promote ignorance, There must be a reason of self promotion in that?

[brain150]

Did anybody in this threat ever read a history book on this issue

that was written in the last 10 years ? Especially coming from

BRITISH historians ?

 

Or do you all just repeat this crap history BS they teach you in school or on the history channel ???

 

Hitler was financed by AMERICAN banks and other Europeans like Shell ! 

Read Churchill and what he had to say about the war ... 

 

Hitler did NOT want the war and this is confirmed by the BRITISH Government !!!

Also by many BRITISH and FRENCH historians.

 

The Holocaust story is according to JEWISH intellectuals from the time FAKE !

You can read all this .... if you dare to question your [so called] knowledge.

Victims of brainwashing you are ... Us and British propaganda did what it was supposed to do !!!

[brewsterbudgen]

 

Not to mention Prince Harry dressing up in SS uniform for a party, and the Nazi chic from the punk era in the 70s.

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[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, Deli said:

Would there be the same outcry if they would have put a portrait of Stalin on the wall ?

 

or Djengis Kahn or Idi Amin?

 

 

anyway,

in my view this is nothing for the Thai government to get involved in, freedom of expression

 

[Orton Rd]

1 hour ago, brain150 said:

Did anybody in this threat ever read a history book on this issue

that was written in the last 10 years ? Especially coming from

BRITISH historians ?

 

 

Are you talking about David Irving the British Historian and Nazi sympathiser who lost a huge legal case and his reputation when he failed to prove in court in the UK that the holocaust never happened?. He stupidly sued an American for libel and lost big time.

[Ondral]

World War Two severely weakened and limited the military power of both the UK and France.  Given the efforts of both the British and French empires to take over all of southeast Asia, it is no wonder why some Thais may respect the Germans.

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 hours ago, Tailwagsdog said:

Contemporary history of the world is important the last 20 years helps explain the current geopolitical situation between the free world and communist regimes in china & USSR that have mutated into national socialist (facist) dictatorships that could see a repeat of history as we saw in WW2, although on a much bigger scale. The fact is two democracies never fight each other thats why we may have to go to war again to defend our freedom & democracy. 

important to you - important to me

I doubt very much that people in SEA and China and .... regard this as important at all -

not their history - its part of smth western that doesn't really affect them