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SURVEY: Assange -- boot or remain in Embassy?

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SURVEY: Assange -- boot or remain in Embassy?  

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There have been a few topics on Julian Assange and the Ecuadorian Embassy indicating they may end his asylum.   In your opinion, do you think it is time for him to be removed from the embassy?

 

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Kerryd Diamond Member

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He (under Swedish law) allegedly committed sexual assault on 2 women (whether or not anyone thinks that "in their country that wouldn't be considered assault"). 


He knew it, which is why he tried so hard to avoid extradition. Those charges wouldn't have happened if he'd simply done the STD test that the women supposedly wanted. (Apparently he refused to do the tests which is why the sex assault charges were laid.)

(For those that don't remember, or don't know.)
Assange had consensual sex with 2 women supporters while on a trip to Sweden. Both women consented on the condition that he use a condom. With one woman, he removed the condom during sex and "finished" inside her. The other woman claimed that they'd had sex and went to sleep and in the morning Assange started having sex with her while she was still sleeping and didn't use a condom.
Under Swedish law, that constitutes sexual assault. Assange knew that when he was in the UK, before Sweden requested his extradition.


He was arrested in the UK and was released on bail to await the results of the extradition hearing. When he learned he'd lost his case, he ran for the Embassy and then made up the far fetched story about how the Swedish charges were all a part of a US scam to extradite him to the US.


Funny how the US never tried to extradite him while Assange was in UK custody or while he was out on bail in the UK (and apparently has never requested his extradition the whole time he's been in the Embassy).
Funny how the highest levels of the Swedish Justice system (including their Supreme Court) upheld the charges against him. Assange tried to make it sound like the whole country were just patsies for the Americans. You'd think the UK would be more willing to send him to the US than Sweden would if this was all some kind of secret scam. A scam that Assange wants people to believe includes pretty much the entire Swedish justice system and government. Uh huh.

When he decided to dictate terms about when and how he might consent to being interviewed by Swedish prosecutors, he should have been dragged out of the Embassy (by the Ecuadorians) and tossed in the street. A suspect in a criminal case does not dictate to the prosecutors when and where he might allow them to question him. 

 

Assange has only been allowed to get away with this BS because the old Ecuadorian government wanted to "stick it" to the US (and maybe had some secrets they didn't want exposed). The current government inherited the mess and wants to end it. People are getting tired of the BS. People realize he isn't some kind of "hero" but a lowlife criminal attempting to escape justice.
 

He also knew he'd committed espionage against the US. He knew it before he convinced Manning to steal those secrets. Again, it doesn't matter if some people think he was being some kind of hero. He wasn't. He was a criminal hacker (before starting Wikileaks) and used Wikileaks to make money. (More than $9 million a year just in "known" donations.) 
It was never about "exposing secrets for the good of humanity" or whatever BS he (and Wikileaks) tried to claim. It was about making money.

If it had of been anyone else that had done the same thing (helping a US soldier crack a password to gain access to secret files that were then published) they would have been charged with espionage (if they were a foreign national) or treason if they were American and no one would have said squat about it.
Manning wasn't charged with treason because the person he gave those secrets to wasn't doing it on behalf of a sovereign nation.

 
Assange also promised to leave the Ecuador Embassy if Obama freed Bradley, er, I mean "Chelsea", Manning from prison and then didn't of course. 
He also tried to claim that France had some kind of obligation to offer him asylum, which he "might" accept if they offered it to him ! Talk about ego !
France basically (and politely) told him to piss off.

Right now, as it stands the Swedish charges have been dropped but he is still wanted in the UK for skipping bail. Whether or not the US has a "secret" indictment against him is a matter of speculation. Years ago there are rumours that the US had conducted a "grand jury" and recommended charges but no official arrest warrants or extradition requests seem to have come out of it.

And the kicker is, if he hadn't made up the story about this all being a scam so that the US could extradite him and it was just about the sex assault charges, no one would have had any sympathy for him and he would have never gotten asylum in any Embassy.

And he knew that.

 

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Chomper Higgot Star Member

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”When a govt makes a commitment, there should be no possibility of a future govt refusing to honour it.“

 

Utter hogwash: 

 

“The US grand jury system is prejudicial against innocence. Grand juries are convened in camera & their final decisions made in secret. The US then acts on these but warrants & requests are sealed.“

 

The stuff of a conspiracy theory addled mind.

 

 

“Julian's been locked up for farlonger than a prison sentence.”

 

Blatant misrepresentation of the truth. FACT: Assange has not been ‘locked up’, he’s staying within the Ecuadorian embassy of his own free will, he can leave whenever he chooses to do so.

 

“Having been a founding signer of WikiLeaks & sitting on its int'l advisory board“

 

You need to get together with the ‘special ops’ guys who hang out in Thailand between missions.

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Nyezhov Gold Member

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Assange does a great service exposing things, albiet with an anti US bias. But, he screwed up when he aided and abetted espionage with Bradley Manning. Whistleblowing is not a defense to espionage.

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12 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Assange does a great service exposing things, albiet with an anti US bias. But, he screwed up when he aided and abetted espionage with Bradley Manning. Whistleblowing is not a defense to espionage.

The crimes for which Assange shall be arrested and prosecuted relate to his part in the Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

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Jingthing Legendary Member

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Well, while I personally would like to see him face the outside world, I respect the right of the Ecuadorian government to keep putting up with the house guest from hell for as long as they like! 

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A troll post has been removed.

 

A post with altered quotes has also been removed.   Do not alter another members quote inside the quote box.

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Basil B Ruby Member

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38 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well, while I personally would like to see him face the outside world, I respect the right of the Ecuadorian government to keep putting up with the house guest from hell for as long as they like! 

... And "Leaks" the cat.:whistling:

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55 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Assange does a great service exposing things, albiet with an anti US bias. But, he screwed up when he aided and abetted espionage with Bradley Manning. Whistleblowing is not a defense to espionage.

It was in 2010 that Assange claimed that America was passing a lot of information to wikileaks about Russia

At the same time the FSB threatened they would close wikileaks down

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Ulic Gold Member

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While I support exposing the powers that be who surpress and lie about stories that need a spotlight I do think that it's time to step out. Let us see if he was correct to fear the wrath of the American government for exposing their lies and deceit

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48 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well, while I personally would like to see him face the outside world, I respect the right of the Ecuadorian government to keep putting up with the house guest from hell for as long as they like! 

They will, no doubt, give him the boot when the Ecuadorian Embassy officials starting asking for Asylum. ????

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Who cares, but actually it would be rather amusing if the Americans did actually request his extradition, if and when he ever walks out of the Ecuadorian Embassy.  You can be sure he wouldn't get bail and the living conditions, in whatever jail he sits for many years whilst fighting extradition, would make the embassy look like the penthouse suite at the Ritz.  I believe that Babar Ahmad has the record for the longest time any person has been in a UK jail fighting extradition, over 8 years.  Maybe Assange could try to beat that? 

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Well...let's hope that all the TV members aspiring for a 1984 like society have spewed their hatred against free speech...

 

Now guys, why not relax a bit a go for a walk in your jackboots?

 

Reading posts like those above frightens me because it shows how well the constant official brainwashing works, and by extension where we are heading to: full totalitarianism!

 

Assange is a dissident, like there have been in the past, notably in the former USSR. (members above would have probably applauded if said dissidents had been kept under lock forever)

 

Unfortunately for him, belonging to a vassal country, Assange has no meaningful citizenship...his fate depends on Washington, not Canberra.

 

Nobody seems surprised that when Assange is mentioned, it is always in connection with Great Britain, USA, Ecuador, and previously Sweden, but never ever with Australia!

 

Frightening indeed...

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Whatever you think of Assange, his whistle-blowing activities and his alleged crimes in Sweden, whether he should be allowed to remain in the Ecuadorian embassy or 'booted out' is a matter for the Ecuadorian authorities, so I don't really see the point of having a poll on it here.

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Morch Star Member

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38 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Well...let's hope that all the TV members aspiring for a 1984 like society have spewed their hatred against free speech...

 

Now guys, why not relax a bit a go for a walk in your jackboots?

 

Reading posts like those above frightens me because it shows how well the constant official brainwashing works, and by extension where we are heading to: full totalitarianism!

 

Assange is a dissident, like there have been in the past, notably in the former USSR. (members above would have probably applauded if said dissidents had been kept under lock forever)

 

Unfortunately for him, belonging to a vassal country, Assange has no meaningful citizenship...his fate depends on Washington, not Canberra.

 

Nobody seems surprised that when Assange is mentioned, it is always in connection with Great Britain, USA, Ecuador, and previously Sweden, but never ever with Australia!

 

Frightening indeed...

 

What a load. Anyone not seeing Assange as a hero aspires for a 1984-like society? Is hateful against free speech? And apparently, that's not enough, needs some Nazi reference to along with it. Needless to say, anyone not agreeing with you is brainwashed.

 

You're one "frightened" troll. That's for sure.

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8 hours ago, Credo said:

He definitely needs to be booted out of the Embassy.   Given his behavior towards his hosts, I'd be inclined to revoke his citizenship.  

 

Yes you can’t bite the hand that feeds you and expect to not be chastised.

 

As to the consensual sex and rape allegation, I think if you are in a position of power you need to think carefully about any relationship with those who are in less power or it can start to look like abuse. Plus if true taking his condom off without her knowing seems like a form of rape as she hadn’t consented?

 

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22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/158-world-news/????

158-world-news/????

Possibly plenty!

 

got all the elements of intrigue!

 

Consensual sex, men fleeing womans allegations, justice, corruption, leaking classified information, international conspiracy. All affect us in some way?

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