The Official Manchester United Thread

[ChipButty]

Fans got more minutes on the pitch than Phil Jones has the past 2 years 

[KannikaP]

6 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

Protest in this manner is totally unacceptable and I hope you agree. Protest peacefully. Allow the games to continue. Breaking in to private property is a criminal offense and all that can be caught should be banned and charged in court. Totally unacceptable.

 

I wouldn't blame Liverpool if they'd refused to leave their hotel.

 

I have no doubt MUFC will get off by the footballing authorities with nothing more than a warning.

 

They should forfeit the game, lose the three points, and concede to the true Champions ! 

[ChipButty]

According to my reliable source the fans did not break in to the ground the gate had been left open and just inside there is a brew room for the stewards, OK you can say they shouldn't have entered private property 

Did one of the stewards leave the gate open? We'll never know

[ChipButty]

10 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

They should forfeit the game, lose the three points, and concede to the true Champions ! 

I would be happy if they got kicked out of the league and relegated to the National league

[Sparkles]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

According to my reliable source the fans did not break in to the ground the gate had been left open and just inside there is a brew room for the stewards, OK you can say they shouldn't have entered private property 

Did one of the stewards leave the gate open? We'll never know

Its an unbelievable lack of basic security. Protests are usually fed and organised by posts on social media which should have been monitored. Whoever is in charge of security should be asked some serious questions.

 

Gary Neville mentioned that when he walked in fans were just walking in alongside him. 

 

Everyone at OT should have been on red alert for this game it was odds on to attract protests.

 

Will not make a scrap of difference to the Glazers future plans and while we wish they never owned the club, blame can also be attached to the ones that sold the club to them.

Greed over ruled any sense of responsibility for the clubs history and future direction.

 

 

 

 

[ChipButty]

5 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

blame can also be attached to the ones that sold the club to them.

Greed over ruled any sense of responsibility for the clubs history and future direction.

 

Well, there lies another story, best we dont get into that one

If a certain person had not fallen out with the Magniers we might not be in this mess now

Edited May 3, 2021 by ChipButty

[petermik]

The story behind the protest is that the postponing of the game gives the players a few more days rest before the big one on Thursday.....no-one thought of that did they....method in their madness LOL

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, petermik said:

The story behind the protest is that the postponing of the game gives the players a few more days rest before the big one on Thursday.....no-one thought of that did they....method in their madness LOL

All the players are Traumatized now

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, petermik said:

The story behind the protest is that the postponing of the game gives the players a few more days rest before the big one on Thursday.....no-one thought of that did they....method in their madness LOL

But it delays the celebrations at Maine Rd for another week.

[RickG16]

7 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

But it delays the celebrations at Maine Rd for another week.

Maine Road?!!

 

It's like Jurassic Park this forum.

[champers]

I am not quite sure what the Glazers have done wrong at Utd. Since they bought Utd and while Fergy was still boss they won a Champs League and were runners up to Barca in 2 other finals. They won plenty of Prem titles, including 3 on the trot, and bought top players when needed: Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and others.

A dislike for the Glazers developed when the Arabs bought City and had more money and posed a real challenge, a challenge Utd often met, sometimes not but that's football. How many Champs League finals have City been in whilst under Abu Dhabi ownership? Less than the Glazers in their first 10 years.

United's problems started when Fergie retired. The club took on Moyes at his recommendation. They then employed experienced and previously successful managers, more so than Mancini and Pellegrini where when City appointed them. Ze Maria, Falcao, Pogba and others were signed and were generally flops. Is that down to the Glazers? They even let Ole spend 80 mill on Harry Maguire.

They have plans to redevelop the main stand at OT to increase capacity on a par with Real Madrid and Barca. Fans fly in to watch games at OT from all corners of the globe and the local economy benefits greatly from these visitors.

When Utd were a PLC fans did not hold enough shares to cause a ripple. Wealthy fan takeovers have been mooted; White Knights anyone; and have never developed. If the Glazers hadn't bought Utd the Coolmore Irish consortium or Scottish businessman Harry Dobson would have. Would they have fared any better at competing with Sheikh Mansoor?

50+ 1 is a pipedream but a complete non-starter. In Germany the model developed organically from scratch. Huge corporations also have big stakes in clubs on a local basis: VW at Wolfsburg, Bayer at Leverkusen.

Big membership schemes are in operation at RM and Barca. The fans vote for the President of those clubs. How has that worked in regard to the proposed ESL?

I do understand there are issues with pricing for season tickets at OT but other than that; and the usual gripes about owners that most clubs have; it seems to me that Utd should be thankful for what they have and get over their jealousy about their noisy neighbour's ownership.

[norfolkandchance]

[ChipButty]

9 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said:

I was told the head of security at Carrington is a scouser 

[Bredbury Blue]

29 minutes ago, champers said:

I am not quite sure what the Glazers have done wrong at Utd. Since they bought Utd and while Fergy was still boss they won a Champs League and were runners up to Barca in 2 other finals. They won plenty of Prem titles, including 3 on the trot, and bought top players when needed: Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and others.

A dislike for the Glazers developed when the Arabs bought City and had more money and posed a real challenge, a challenge Utd often met, sometimes not but that's football. How many Champs League finals have City been in whilst under Abu Dhabi ownership? Less than the Glazers in their first 10 years.

United's problems started when Fergie retired. The club took on Moyes at his recommendation. They then employed experienced and previously successful managers, more so than Mancini and Pellegrini where when City appointed them. Ze Maria, Falcao, Pogba and others were signed and were generally flops. Is that down to the Glazers? They even let Ole spend 80 mill on Harry Maguire.

They have plans to redevelop the main stand at OT to increase capacity on a par with Real Madrid and Barca. Fans fly in to watch games at OT from all corners of the globe and the local economy benefits greatly from these visitors.

When Utd were a PLC fans did not hold enough shares to cause a ripple. Wealthy fan takeovers have been mooted; White Knights anyone; and have never developed. If the Glazers hadn't bought Utd the Coolmore Irish consortium or Scottish businessman Harry Dobson would have. Would they have fared any better at competing with Sheikh Mansoor?

50+ 1 is a pipedream but a complete non-starter. In Germany the model developed organically from scratch. Huge corporations also have big stakes in clubs on a local basis: VW at Wolfsburg, Bayer at Leverkusen.

Big membership schemes are in operation at RM and Barca. The fans vote for the President of those clubs. How has that worked in regard to the proposed ESL?

I do understand there are issues with pricing for season tickets at OT but other than that; and the usual gripes about owners that most clubs have; it seems to me that Utd should be thankful for what they have and get over their jealousy about their noisy neighbour's ownership.

I look forward to reading the replies from Rick Sparkles Chippy Petermilk and all. ????

[Bredbury Blue]

Man United v Liverpool became the first premier league fixture ever to be cancelled because of fan protests. Be interesting to see the PLs reaction.

[Bredbury Blue]

3 hours ago, ChipButty said:

According to my reliable source the fans did not break in to the ground the gate had been left open and just inside there is a brew room for the stewards, OK you can say they shouldn't have entered private property 

Did one of the stewards leave the gate open? We'll never know

It would not be a surprise if the gate had been purposely left open for them by someone on the inside also opposed to the Glasers but expecting a 'peaceful protest' which unfortunately turned violent. 

 

The reason given why the game couldn't proceed is that the gate was damaged so security was compromised with the threat of further incursions - but couldn't they have just parked a big truck in front of it and stationed police horses dogs etc. 

 

I would imagine another reason the game couldn't be played is because the covid-free bubble in the ground was compromised.

 

Had the protest been peaceful, remained outside the ground and the game proceeded then ManU fans would probably have the moral high ground but they got it wrong!

[ChipButty]

How a row over a racehorse helped the Glazer family take control of Manchester United 

 

https://www.goal.com/en-ph/news/how-a-racehorse-helped-the-glazer-family-take-control-of-man/15kf9x1h3xy8a1gakygb2unhd6 

[RickG16]

42 minutes ago, champers said:

I am not quite sure what the Glazers have done wrong at Utd. Since they bought Utd and while Fergy was still boss they won a Champs League and were runners up to Barca in 2 other finals. They won plenty of Prem titles, including 3 on the trot, and bought top players when needed: Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and others.

A dislike for the Glazers developed when the Arabs bought City and had more money and posed a real challenge, a challenge Utd often met, sometimes not but that's football. How many Champs League finals have City been in whilst under Abu Dhabi ownership? Less than the Glazers in their first 10 years.

United's problems started when Fergie retired. The club took on Moyes at his recommendation. They then employed experienced and previously successful managers, more so than Mancini and Pellegrini where when City appointed them. Ze Maria, Falcao, Pogba and others were signed and were generally flops. Is that down to the Glazers? They even let Ole spend 80 mill on Harry Maguire.

They have plans to redevelop the main stand at OT to increase capacity on a par with Real Madrid and Barca. Fans fly in to watch games at OT from all corners of the globe and the local economy benefits greatly from these visitors.

When Utd were a PLC fans did not hold enough shares to cause a ripple. Wealthy fan takeovers have been mooted; White Knights anyone; and have never developed. If the Glazers hadn't bought Utd the Coolmore Irish consortium or Scottish businessman Harry Dobson would have. Would they have fared any better at competing with Sheikh Mansoor?

50+ 1 is a pipedream but a complete non-starter. In Germany the model developed organically from scratch. Huge corporations also have big stakes in clubs on a local basis: VW at Wolfsburg, Bayer at Leverkusen.

Big membership schemes are in operation at RM and Barca. The fans vote for the President of those clubs. How has that worked in regard to the proposed ESL?

I do understand there are issues with pricing for season tickets at OT but other than that; and the usual gripes about owners that most clubs have; it seems to me that Utd should be thankful for what they have and get over their jealousy about their noisy neighbour's ownership.

You raise some good points. The Glazers have largely left the football side of things alone over the years, and have backed managers in the transfer market.

 

I just think the Super League debacle has reignited some old passions and brought in some of the more hardline anti Glazer group from the fringes that made the stand with FC United.

 

But I think the Super League also triggered the normal United fan, by reminding us that frankly; the biggest club in the world deserves better owners.

 

As I've said before, however, the free market is the free market. The only reason we were attractive to hard nose businessmen like the Glazers is because we have been so successful on and off the pitch (at the time they bought).

 

 

 

 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

Maine Road?!!

 

It's like Jurassic Park this forum.

I knew someone would fall for it!   LOL

[ChipButty]

11 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I knew someone would fall for it!   LOL

That reminds me many years ago I got the sack for refusing to go to Maine road to do a job 

[mrbojangles]

15 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

That reminds me many years ago I got the sack for refusing to go to Maine road to do a job 

 

Believe me, when I was young there were times I didn't want to go either ????

[Bredbury Blue]

57 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

 

Believe me, when I was young there were times I didn't want to go either ????

 

Straight out of the Eddie Large comedy manual ????

[KhaoNiaw]

2 hours ago, champers said:

I am not quite sure what the Glazers have done wrong at Utd. Since they bought Utd and while Fergy was still boss they won a Champs League and were runners up to Barca in 2 other finals. They won plenty of Prem titles, including 3 on the trot, and bought top players when needed: Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and others.

 

[RickG16]

4 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

 

It all comes back to what we expect of football club owners. Not every owner is Sheikh level rich and can afford to pour money in before returning a profit. It is a free market, and in a free market you are going to get some business people who care less about the fans than others. 

 

What we know is that a football club is more than just a company. It is a community, a tradition, and means more to people than simply a brand; it's an identity. But without a structure such as 50 +1 I think the owners will continue to treat clubs as a business, not a club.

 

Real world alert: The Glazers are not evil, they are just businessmen taking advantage of a free market. The onus is on governments / football governance to put a struture in place that will protect the clubs.

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

the biggest club in the world deserves better owners.

 

Sad and embarrassing day for the self-proclaimed "biggest club in the world"! It's 1974 all over again.

 

From The Athletic 

 

What has been said?

Greater Manchester Police released a statement on Sunday night which read: "Officers were aware of a protest planned to take place in Old Trafford today (Sunday 2 May) and were working closely alongside partners to ensure those that attended were kept safe whilst enabling their right to peaceful protest.

"Early this afternoon, groups of protestors began to gather at Old Trafford and separately at The Lowry Hotel, Salford where the United players were staying. By late afternoon around 200 protestors had gathered outside the Lowry and over 1,000 at Old Trafford.

"Officers continued to closely monitor the situation, engaging with those present but as the groups grew in size; it became clear that many of those present were not intending to exercise their right to peaceful protest. Flares were let off and bottles thrown at officers.

"Protestors outside Old Trafford became especially aggressive and antagonistic towards police before a group of about 100 forced entry to the ground with some United staff having to lock themselves in rooms.

"Those in the stadium were evicted by officers but outside on the forecourt hostility grew with bottles and barriers being thrown at officers and horses. Two officers have been injured with one officer being attacked with a bottle and sustaining a significant slash wound to his face, requiring emergency hospital treatment.

"With the situation increasing in hostility, additional officers had to be deployed and officers had to be drawn in from neighbouring forces to assist Greater Manchester officers.

"Following discussion with The Premier League, Trafford Council and the clubs, a joint decision was made to postpone the match for safety reasons."

 

Was anything else said?

GMP assistant chief constable Russ Jackson said: "The behaviour displayed today by those at both Old Trafford and The Lowry Hotel was reckless and dangerous.

"We understand the passion many supporters have for their team and we fully respect the right for peaceful protest. Plans were in place to ensure this could happen safely, but it soon became clear that many present had no intention of doing so peacefully.

"The actions of those today required us to take officers from front line policing and call in support from neighbouring forces to prevent the disorder getting worse. At different points, bottles and barriers were thrown, officers assaulted and people scaled the stadium structure creating risk for themselves and officers.

"We have launched an investigation and we will be working closely alongside partners to ensure we establish the full circumstances surrounding today's events and prosecute those responsible."

[Bredbury Blue]

2 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

It would not be a surprise if the gate had been purposely left open for them by someone on the inside also opposed to the Glasers but expecting a 'peaceful protest' which unfortunately turned violent. 

 

The reason given why the game couldn't proceed is that the gate was damaged so security was compromised with the threat of further incursions - but couldn't they have just parked a big truck in front of it and stationed police horses dogs etc. 

 

I would imagine another reason the game couldn't be played is because the covid-free bubble in the ground was compromised.

 

Had the protest been peaceful, remained outside the ground and the game proceeded then ManU fans would probably have the moral high ground but they got it wrong!

 

Just seen the video of the idiots kicking in the locked door and then they all swarmed in.

 

 

[champers]

29 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

Just seen the video of the idiots kicking in the locked door and then they all swarmed in.

 

 

Pesky face masks don't help anyone to identify the culprits.

[Kadilo]

36 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

Just seen the video of the idiots kicking in the locked door and then they all swarmed in.

 

 

Someone needs to get a new “reliable source” 

[Bredbury Blue]

48 minutes ago, champers said:

Pesky face masks don't help anyone to identify the culprits.

 

"Pesky face masks", a line straight out of Scooby-Doo.

 

The faces of many of the culprits, including the two taking turns to kick the door in, can be seen very clearly in the video on Twitter and they will hopefully be identified and dealt with.

[Sparkles]

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

How a row over a racehorse helped the Glazer family take control of Manchester United 

 

https://www.goal.com/en-ph/news/how-a-racehorse-helped-the-glazer-family-take-control-of-man/15kf9x1h3xy8a1gakygb2unhd6 

Remember it well but no personal issue should ever govern the direction of a club, especially one with United's history.

 

99.99% of Man U followers are decent ,loyal, law abiding people. The ones that caused damage to the clubs reputation are moronic indiviuals who want a few minutes of fame. One reason they were all flashing phones was to record to later show their mates down the pub, known as the "I was there syndrome" 

 

A door may well have been kicked in but as I mentioned before Gary Neville, live on Sky, said he walked though the normal way with protestors alongside him.

 

It was an appalling lack of security but to punish players, coaching staff and loyal supporters by docking points is not the answer, otherwise we will have a copy cat scenario and its hardly the first time we have seen moronic behaviour in, and outside, grounds .Players being hit by missiles, team buses receiving the same treatment, player abuse etc how soon we forget.

 

Its sadly the world we now live in.