8 hours ago, alanrchase said:

Why are boats not fitted with propeller guards? 

Costs money in purchase and higher gas usage plus loses hp so time.,

8 hours ago, beechbum said:

So the alleged (haven't seen it reported anywhere) illegal guide was a special Yellow class, even though supposedly being illegal?

In the original story it was mentioned the tourguide was Chinese, therefor illegal as a tourguide. And yes, a tourguide on the water has to be yellow class, and bears responsibility.

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

It is the captains & crews joint responsibilities to make sure all personal on board are safe at all times.

This includes making sure no-one is trying to vacate the boat or that anyone is in the water around the boat while it is maneuvering. 

The captain & crew failed in not carrying out their duties and were not observant of what was happening on board!!

Guilty as charged... (even if she was a dumbass)

Would agree with you if it was a group of 5 year old kids not a group of grown up dumbasses from China .

 

Try to open an exit door on the airplane and sure as hell crew does not get charged the dinbass who opened door gets charged.

 

This is just common sense for a grown up, engine still running , do not go near the engine.

 

captain may well have advised to remain sitted until boat docked, fact that only one dumbass jumped would suggest all others were waiting

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 8:02 PM, Chang_paarp said:

And the owner? What of the owner?

 

What about the owner, what has he done wrong?

8 hours ago, beechbum said:

A licensed Captain has the final word and overall responsibility on a vessel, there's no whether, if's or but's about that.

They weren't on a dive boat, they were on a speed boat.

ok,

and so ????????

 

 

6 hours ago, Just Weird said:

What about the owner, what has he done wrong?

He didn't ensure his business ie the boat, was being driven & crewed safely.

 

 

1 hour ago, faraday said:

He didn't ensure his business ie the boat, was being driven & crewed safely.

 

 

That's a real stretch.

On 12/7/2018 at 8:21 AM, alanrchase said:

Why are boats not fitted with propeller guards? 

Why would you bring logic into the discussion ?  Silly, silly boy !

9 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

ok,

and so ????????

 

 

And so read the reply I was referring to, maybe your'll get some context, but probably not.

15 hours ago, stevenl said:

Costs money in purchase and higher gas usage plus loses hp so time.,

In the original story it was mentioned the tourguide was Chinese, therefor illegal as a tourguide. And yes, a tourguide on the water has to be yellow class, and bears responsibility.

LOL...Ok, so they're illegal but have to be accredited yellow class, more likely they're not any class at all.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

That's a real stretch.

You think an owner of a business doesn't have any responsibility to it's customers??

 

You must be winding me up, surely?

The Phoenix owner agrees...

On 12/7/2018 at 6:40 AM, beechbum said:

While on the boat the captain and crew are the ones in charge, the tour guide should only be passing information given, but agreed on the illegal easy target bit.

 

Seems to me it should be:  While on the boat the captain and crew are the ones in charge, and are totally responsible for safe operations, including full monitoring and very fast remedial reaction where needed, the tour guide should only be passing information given, but is responsible to ensure all the passengers have received the information and directions and understand them.

 

I added the additional words in bold italiques.

 

In this case I therefore support charging the whole lot and also the boat owner, who is receiving income from the boat being used to ferry paying customers and therefore has safety responsibilities. 

 

Until Thailand gets to see, understand and sincerely implement the whole picture, every time, nothing will change. 

 

I added the bold italiques for a further reason, before retirement I supervised many organizational projects for a number of large and medium Thai companies, often that included going right back to more specific goal aligned outputs on job descriptions.

 

There was often a brick wall from the CEO, the HR manager etc., 'don't want to sue words like responsible and accountable, sounds too serious and not polite to the job holder'. 

 

 

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 8:42 AM, balo said:

Before a group of stupid Chinese tourists enter the boat in the first place they should get instructions by the tour guide about what to do and what not to do.

 

Very simple really , when the engines are switched on , do not jump . 

seems simple but when the idiots operating the boat have no idea on how and what to instruct, then what do you do???