More Americans blame Trump for government shutdown: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[webfact]

More Americans blame Trump for government shutdown: Reuters/Ipsos poll

By Chris Kahn and Ginger Gibson

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump speaks to reporters before he meets U.S. political and military leaders during an unannounced visit to Al Asad Air Base, Iraq, December 26, 2018. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

 

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More Americans blame President Donald Trump than congressional Democrats for the partial U.S. government shutdown, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Thursday found, as lawmakers returned to Washington with no quick end to the shutdown in sight.

 

Forty-seven percent of adults hold Trump responsible, while 33 percent blame Democrats in Congress, according to the Dec. 21-25 poll, conducted mostly after the shutdown began. Seven percent of Americans blamed congressional Republicans.

 

The shutdown was triggered by Trump's demand, largely opposed by Democrats and some Republicans, that taxpayers provide him with $5 billion to help pay for a wall he wants to build on the Mexican border. Its total estimated cost is $23 billion.

 

Just 35 percent of those surveyed in the Reuters/Ipsos poll said they backed including money for the wall in a congressional spending bill. Only 25 percent said they supported Trump shutting down the government over the matter.

 

The shutdown, now in its sixth day, has a had limited impact so far, partly due to vacations for the 800,000 federal workers affected, though that could change soon.

 

Government agencies began notifying the public on Thursday about service disruptions. The Federal Emergency Management Agency said the shutdown means it cannot process new flood insurance policies, possibly disrupting home sales.

 

The Office of Personnel Management, which oversees the federal workforce, offered advice to government employees on staving off creditors if paychecks lapse.

 

On Capitol Hill, the Senate and House of Representatives were set to reconvene late on Thursday, but no prompt action by them was expected. The lack of urgency fuelled speculation among analysts that the shutdown could drag on well into January.

 

The wall dispute coincided with the expiration of funding for about 20 percent of the government. The remaining 80 percent is fully funded and is unaffected by the shutdown.

 

The departments of Homeland Security, Justice, Agriculture, Commerce and other agencies, shut down "non-essential" operations on Saturday after a tentative funding deal collapsed over Trump's renewed insistence that wall funding be provided.

 

The House has approved a shutdown-ending spending measure that includes Trump's demand for $5 billion, but its prospects in the Senate were seen as poor.

 

Trump argues that his wall is needed to stem illegal immigration and drugs entering the country - a key plank in his 2016 presidential campaign.

 

Earlier this month, he said he would be "proud to shut down the government" over wall funding. On Twitter, since the shutdown started, he has tried to blame the Democrats.

 

In a tweet on Thursday, he framed the shutdown as a partisan issue, saying, "Do the Dems realise that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?"

 

The assertion, for which Trump provided no evidence, drew immediate criticism from Democrats.

 

"Federal employees don’t go to work wearing red or blue jerseys," Democratic Senator Mark Warner wrote on Twitter.

 

"They’re public servants. And the president is treating them like poker chips at one of his failed casinos," Warner said.

 

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online in English across the United States. It gathered responses from 2,440 adults, including 946 Democrats and 846 Republicans. It has a credibility interval, a measure of the poll's precision, of two percentage points for the entire sample and four points for members of either political party.

 

(Additional reporting by David Morgan, Makini Brice and Jason Lange in Washington; Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Alistair Bell)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-12-28

[Tug]

Uh ho Donald gonna have a tantrum now and start screaming fake news fake news lol 

[Lungstib]

Throwing a tantrum over his wall. The best response to this is a terrific youtube clip from Tim Ryan who reminds us that over a long campaign Trump repeatedly told everyone willing to listen that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. He insisted that to be so and urged crowds to chant with him. "And who will pay?"

"Mexico". Seems like this was just another lie. Now he wants the US taxpayer to pay and blames others for not organising it.

[mikebike]

If they get their news from any source on the planet, they may well truly believe that it's Trump's fault for the shutdown...

[alanrchase]

Why did they bother with the poll? Trump himself said he would "own" the shutdown. 

[spidermike007]

The "Trump shutdown" is most definitely Trump's fault. He even claimed he would own it, until it came time to do so, and then he deflected, which is what he does. Taking responsibility for anything other than the rise of the Dow, is just not something he does. He caused this shutdown with his ridiculous wall. The dems offered to give him billions for border security. But, no he wants his wall, which he is NEVER going to get. 

[dapperdan]

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

[connda]

Polls simply are a reflection of whatever the media is attempting to highlight.  Accurate? Phhhf.
Those who support Trump will blame Congress.
Those who are "Never-Trump'ers" will blame Trump.

Independents will be split.
And personally - the government can remain shut as long as it wants.  With a 22 Trillion dollar short-fall, they are better off closed.

[KKr]

2 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Throwing a tantrum over his wall. The best response to this is a terrific youtube clip from Tim Ryan who reminds us that over a long campaign Trump repeatedly told everyone willing to listen that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. He insisted that to be so and urged crowds to chant with him. "And who will pay?"

"Mexico". Seems like this was just another lie. Now he wants the US taxpayer to pay and blames others for not organising it.

yes, absolutely.
A "what a Joker" smiley for The Donald, Uncle Dagobert is not paying, so now he is going after the savings of the little ones.  

[jvs]

18 minutes ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

Did you take your meds this morning already?Or did you just have a bad dream lastnight?

Hoe do so called adults and somewhat educated people come up with this stuff?

And you really believe what you wrote?I almost feel sorry for you.

[saminoz]

23 minutes ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

"We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk"

Absolutely correct!

You have enough of those home grown (a.k.a Trump's base) so you don't really need the competition, do you?

Talk about the lowest demographic supporting the orange buffoon!

Enjoy the two-digit IQ club with dumbed down Donald and the rest of the idiots.

That movie "Idiocracy" is looking less silly and more like Trump's long term plan!

Edited December 28, 2018 by saminoz

[Thingamabob]

22 minutes ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

I entirely agree.

[attrayant]

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

I entirely agree.

 

Then you are entirely wrong.  We have not had a wall for years and years, and we're not " overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists".  

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

More Americans blame Trump for government shutdown

Alternatively...

 

“less Americans believe trumps lies”

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

33 percent blame Democrats in Congress

Lol.... or

 

”33 percent of Americans are unaware that the republican overwhelmingly control congress”

 

????????????????????

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

If that's the case, why isn't the US overrun already. In fact, the number of illegal immigrants is down hugely from it's peak in 2000 as shown by this chart of border detentions

And what are all those terrorists who have crossed the border waiting for? Must be an inferior class of terrorists since the ones who have actually committed terrorists acts were either born here or entered legally.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

I entirely agree.

Rubbish.

[Becker]

23 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

You mean California, Chicago and NYC said Hillary should be President ????

What's your point? Aren't they "real" Americans?

[Scott]

Troll posts and replies removed.  

 

[atyclb]

 

[natway09]

And so the spoilt Brat has picked up his ball & gone home.

America,,, what are you thinking giving this idiot the President's role

[Rama]

Wouldn't more officers and more surveillance equipment be a more efficient use of the money? A wall can be tunneled under, climbed over, hammered out, or drilled through, etc. etc. If you have a wall, and they built a tunnel  - how would you know? If they went to a remote part and tore a small hole - how would you know? Or maybe after building a wall you want to spend MORE on the same officers and surveillance equipment, etc. What happened to the America that lived by the motto on the statue of liberty - "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door." My first ancestor in the US came in 1811, a poor man fleeing the English press gangs...

[Redline]

11 hours ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

I’m shocked you took the time to write that ????

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, natway09 said:

And so the spoilt Brat has picked up his ball & gone home.

America,,, what are you thinking giving this idiot the President's role

Now the silly illegitimate president is threatening to close down the entire Mexican border if he doesn't get his way. Congress needs to step up to the plate and remove this mistake. If he was a school kid he would have been expelled several times already for destructive behavior. It's no wonder that his Dad sent him away to fake military school. That's where the bad boys go. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Jingthing

[beechguy]

8 hours ago, natway09 said:

And so the spoilt Brat has picked up his ball & gone home.

America,,, what are you thinking giving this idiot the President's role

Because the alternative was Hillary.

[Guest Jerry787]

the dump, trumpish donald, gov shut down for a silly and  completely non sense idea, the mexican wall

 

what a shame... who voted donald or who still think he is right

 

you can not build any wall,  the chinese proved it 500 years a go, that doesn't work,  some foolish fool now still try to built  the same....

 

what a fool world.... 

 

yes vote donald next time just to prove how trumpish you are... 

[White Christmas13]

25 minutes ago, Jerry787 said:

the dump, trumpish donald, gov shut down for a silly and  completely non sense idea, the mexican wall

 

what a shame... who voted donald or who still think he is right

 

you can not build any wall,  the chinese proved it 500 years a go, that doesn't work,  some foolish fool now still try to built  the same....

 

what a fool world.... 

 

yes vote donald next time just to prove how trumpish you are... 

Well I got some bricks left from the Berlin wall maybe that will help to bring down the cost

[direction BANGKOK]

If Trump had his way and he knew for a fact he could get away with it, he would use ultra cheap illegal Mexican labor to build his wall. We all know this for a fact. 

 

What does that tell you? It is all about the wall and his ego. 

[anon4546543]

13 hours ago, dapperdan said:

Without the wall USA will be overrun by illegal immigrants from all over the world including terrorists. Any fool can go under or over over the measly barrier that serves the southern border. Shutting down the government is a great idea if it prods the House and Congress to provide the funding for a decent wall.  We're being invaded by criminals, uneducated people looking for a handout, terrorists, drug smugglers and people of that ilk.  Thank you President Trump for standing up to the never ending abuse of the media. Don't give up, give in or back down from the fools. Build That Wall !

At least you are one of the persons that back Trump to the hilt and I commend you for it.

So many Trump stalwarts are starting to cringe, exit stage left, resign, run for the hills, get indicted or go to jail.

But you have stuck by him. You are the true real spirit of America and someone that has 50% of people supporting you.

(40% for, 40% against and 20% undecided)

 So lets get behind him. Right now he needs more intelligent people like you to back him. Build that 25 billion wall.

The US needs more walls and one across Canada as well. And down the coasts as well. Lets do it real good and totally isolate the US. Build that wall!!! 

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said:

If Trump had his way and he knew for a fact he could get away with it, he would use ultra cheap illegal Mexican labor to build his wall. We all know this for a fact. 

 

What does that tell you? It is all about the wall and his ego. 

It's tells us what we already know. Individual-1 is a criminally corrupt Putin-compromised con man that cares only about himself. He only cares about his base because that's his only hope to stay in power and stay out of prison. He's not the president of all Americans and that is a truly a disgrace and embarrassment to all decent Americans.

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Trump’s arguments about the wall are mostly exaggerated or false

 

 

A broad debunking.

President Trump’s sales pitch for a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico hasn’t really changed much since he first launched his presidential campaign in 2015.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/27/trumps-arguments-about-wall-are-mostly-exaggerated-or-false/