Why is the MAGA movement so susceptible to crazy conspiracy theories?

[Thingamabob]

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

An absolute snake in the grass back stabber who is an EU bidder. the man calling for a second referendum but refused to give the British public one. A hypocrite of the highest order. Him and Blair deserve each other and should be in the Tower of London/Haig for lying to the people.

Agreed 100%.

[Thingamabob]

6 hours ago, Proboscis said:

John Major was the unacknowledged best Prime Minister the UK ever had. All the media ever did was mock him. He was never accepted by the elite because he had never been to Oxbridge (never been to university at all but had learned through the university of life). He provided the Good Friday Agreement (along with Albert Reynolds, probably the best PM of Ireland) which ended the killing and bombing resulting from the the strife in that part of the UK known as Northern Ireland and presided over a thriving economy. He never lied to the people.

 

Tony Blair is another matter, of course.

 

Your claim is a contradictory one, that Major did not give the British public a referendum when that is what he is offering right now. And what is the alternative?

 

The problem, as we all know, is that there is no consensus for any outcome in the British parliament. So what can the parliament do? There is an overwhealming majority for not crashing out into a no-deal - so doing nothing is not an option for parliament. Norway plus, remain, May's deal and all other variations all fail to get a majority in the parliament. The parliament is stuck. There might be some sort of compromise on some sort of custom's union scenario in parliament and Major is saying that we have to give that a run.

 

If parliament can't decide, the only alternative is for parliament to hand the decision of which kind of Brexit to the people. This is rather different from the first referendum in that the first referendum was to see whether there was a crude majority for remain or leave. Now we need to know what the majority want in relation to which kind of Brexit.

Only choice is May's rubbish deal or no deal. Remain already eliminated in the 2016 referendum.

[CGW]

John Major, former Chairman of the Carlyle group, self serving globalist now worth over 50 million quid! Is anybody with an once of sense going to listen to him ????

[whatsupdoc]

9 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Only choice is May's rubbish deal or no deal. Remain already eliminated in the 2016 referendum.

Might as well ask the electorate whether they want to be drowned or hanged, drawn and quartered.....

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

An absolute snake in the grass back stabber who is an EU bidder. the man calling for a second referendum but refused to give the British public one. A hypocrite of the highest order. Him and Blair deserve each other and should be in the Tower of London/Haig for lying to the people.

 

Haig - what are you suggesting? Pickling them in whisky?

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Only choice is May's rubbish deal or no deal. Remain already eliminated in the 2016 referendum.

 

Wrong................... again.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

So you need the EU to come up with a new plan??? Says it all really, pathetic.

The UK will keep negotiating with itself forever. Just leave, so the EU can move on and spend its time on more important matters.

You need to look behind the green curtain for a more enlightened view of what is going  on if you seriously believe nobody cares if we leave the EU.  If this were true, Barrack Obama's puppet masters would not have dispatched him hotfoot to London to plead with us all to vote Remain. They've clearly not forgiven us for voting Leave. Now all we have to do is make them realise we meant it. Power to the people!

[whatsupdoc]

19 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

You need to look behind the green curtain for a more enlightened view of what is going  on if you seriously believe nobody cares if we leave the EU.  If this were true, Barrack Obama's puppet masters would not have dispatched him hotfoot to London to plead with us all to vote Remain. They've clearly not forgiven us for voting Leave. Now all we have to do is make them realise we meant it. Power to the people!

Now all you (the UK) have to do is to finally make up your mind what you actually want....

The EU has prepared for all outcomes but I would guess they are getting very tired of British indecisiveness.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Only choice is May's rubbish deal or no deal. Remain already eliminated in the 2016 referendum.

Not true, parliament is sovereign, parliament can decide what it wants. As Brexiteers always wanted. Sovereignty. Taking back control. 

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not true, parliament is sovereign, parliament can decide what it wants. As Brexiteers always wanted. Sovereignty. Taking back control. 

Yes, take it back now with No Deal and keep Sovereignty forever.

To Remain would be to be part of a Federal Europe for ever - not even a need for parliament anymore.

[baboon]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, take it back now with No Deal and keep Sovereignty forever.

To Remain would be to be part of a Federal Europe for ever - not even a need for parliament anymore.

'The man in the bush has always been independent. That's why he is still in the bush....'

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

Now all you (the UK) have to do is to finally make up your mind what you actually want....

The EU has prepared for all outcomes but I would guess they are getting very tired of British indecisiveness.

We are obviously having our own internal problems with this. Could you give us a hand please. Why not just kick us out?

The EU is not doing a deal - so that helps. If you were to refuse to give an extension to Article 50 - that increases the pressure. Why not just take us to 30th March and let us go?

Ah yes, what about the 39 Billion pounds?  

[Krataiboy]

3 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

Now all you (the UK) have to do is to finally make up your mind what you actually want....

The EU has prepared for all outcomes but I would guess they are getting very tired of British indecisiveness.

The British people have already said what they want. Unfortunately, it is not - for a variety of reasons which must by now be abundantly clear even to the most casual observer - what our elected representatives in Parliament want.

 

And to think some of these overpaid clowns are actually calling for ANOTHER referendum, which presumably they would also ignore if they didn't like the result.

 

You couldn't make it up.

Edited January 20, 2019 by Krataiboy

[Lancelot01]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Major the best Prime Minister? What a joke. The BBC poll ranked him 17 out of 19 C20 PMs. I thought that was generous!

 

A former Chancellor who didn't even pass Maths 'O' Level at the first attempt. He then snidely assisted Thatcher's demise, which resulted in his first stint as PM. Labour was led at the time by the similarly useless Kinnock, so not much of a challenge there. Major championed the ERM (failed).

 

If he's so keen on referenda he might have offered one in 1992, before he signed that damn Maastrict Treaty, one of the main reasons that we find ourselves entangled in this mess.   

More peas Norma?

[welovesundaysatspace]

51 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, take it back now with No Deal and keep Sovereignty forever.

To Remain would be to be part of a Federal Europe for ever - not even a need for parliament anymore.

As we can see, parliament is sovereign even when being a member of the EU. No one stopped parliament from having a referendum; no one stopped parliament from passing legislation to leave the EU; no one will stop parliament from withdrawing A50, or from whatever parliament deems is in the best interest for the UK. Parliament is and has always been sovereign.  

[Loiner]

As we can see, parliament is sovereign even when being a member of the EU. No one stopped parliament from having a referendum; no one stopped parliament from passing legislation to leave the EU; no one will stop parliament from withdrawing A50, or from whatever parliament deems is in the best interest for the UK. Parliament is and has always been sovereign.  

It was in the past and is up to now. Remaining in the EU will make parliament superfluous.


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[Laughing Gravy]

17 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Haig - what are you suggesting? Pickling them in whisky?

That isn't a bad idea. Just a little slip of spelling but your idea is great.

[billd766]

19 hours ago, CGW said:

John Major, former Chairman of the Carlyle group, self serving globalist now worth over 50 million quid! Is anybody with an once of sense going to listen to him ????

Just another old has been PM from the last century, dragged out of his comfort zone to try to give the dead parrot the kiss of life.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Just another old has been PM from the last century, dragged out of his comfort zone to try to give the dead parrot the kiss of life.

Know what you mean, but MPs are doing their best to ensure that we stay within the eu one way or another.   Even if it means paying an extortion fee (39 bn) and continuing to pay nearly as much as we do now, but with no voice?

[Krataiboy]

23 hours ago, Grouse said:

Just watched last week's question time. What a waste of an hour

 

Bring back Dimbleby; that woman is hopeless. No gravitas, no control, no humour

 

The audience was largely moronic. One would have thought people from Derby would have some empathy with Toyota and Rolls Royce. But no; the usual knuckle draggers 

 

Then we have the Abbott. Awful. Can't she at least get her fangs fixed?

 

Sitting next to her was the airhead Isabel Ockshott. Shallow and poorly informed

 

Then we have the Prisons minister Rory. Usually bright but could only spout May's lines between grinning ape like at Abbott.

 

The SNP girl spoke well I thought.

 

Then there was some strange academic with two rings in one ear. He may have been in the wrong studio 

 

Dont waste your time watching it.

Too late. I am writing this while in a coma.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Know what you mean, but MPs are doing their best to ensure that we stay within the eu one way or another.   Even if it means paying an extortion fee (39 bn) and continuing to pay nearly as much as we do now, but with no voice?

Perhaps it is time to take up the old French tradition of the tumbrils and Madame la Guillotine.

 

Set some chairs outside parliament for the old ladies to do their knitting. A public execution sharpens the minds of the survivors.

[Basil B]

On 1/20/2019 at 9:36 AM, Grouse said:

The SNP girl spoke well I thought.

SNP, did they get on last nights program?

 

Though hitting the headlines higher than Brexit I assume any reference to Alex was edited out due to our sub judice laws.

Edited January 25, 2019 by Basil B

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, Basil B said:

SNP, did they get on last nights program?

 

Though hitting the headlines higher than Brexit I assume any reference to Alex was edited out due to our sub judice laws.

I think you are right - the BBC never usually misses an opportunity to make bad press for the SNP.