Smart visas: Some high earning foreigners may soon be able to work without a work permit

[DrTuner]

56 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Oh dear thailand why don't you just copy singapore and stop coming up with your own non sense... 

Singapore is not what it seems, the ministry of manpower will start yapping about the Singapore Core when you start applying for the EPs. Basically they want to force you to hire locals as well. It's implicit instead of explicit and not what advertised. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/manpower/singaporean-core-creating-one-singapore-workforce

 

Same story everywhere, except in EU if you are a citizen of one of the other states. Some of the Mediterranean former Yugo countries are interesting. 

[ThomasThBKK]

Earning 200kbht/month in the UK was easy (1990s). I retired in 2001 earning more than that.
I doubt there are many jobs in Thailand worth that much, easier to just stay and work in the UK.
 

There could be many if it was not so retarded to setup a company here.

The taxation rules are quite favourable for IT startups and co, the market size not bad at all.

It could have all been a good competitor to singapore.

But as always it's just wasted opportunity because thai greed and xenophobia.
They prolly want to keep foreigners here powerless and thai people out of jobs that show them how the rest of the world works [emoji848]

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[ThomasThBKK]

Singapore is not what it seems, the ministry of manpower will start yapping about the Singapore Core when you start applying for the EPs. Basically they want to force you to hire locals as well. It's implicit instead of explicit and not what advertised.
 
Same story everywhere, except in EU if you are a citizen of one of the other states. Some of the Mediterranean former Yugo countries are interesting. 

Yeah that's fine, as long as you hire a local board director. At least you got talent there for hire.

In thailand you hire your maid, their daughter and the husband to get a work permit [emoji12]

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[DrTuner]

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yeah that's fine, as long as you hire a local board director. At least you got talent there for hire.

In thailand you hire your maid, their daughter and the husband to get a work permit

That's true. In Thailand you either need to go BOI which takes time and is onerous, or get four basically useless Thais for each useful farang. 

 

Taking the BOI approved company rules and this smart visa, throwing out the bureaucracy, packing them together to create an easy & quick startup package for foreigners would be an obvious, working solution. After say four farangs it would be ok to start enforcing some Thai quota. I'l give it a 0.0001% chance of happening.

[Jimdandy]

4 hours ago, Jimdandy said:

Most, if not all the people who earn that type of income I have met in the USA and other countries would not entertain the thought of becoming an expat in Thailand. They would head directly to somewhere like Hong Kong or Singapore first, then buy a second property in Vietnam as an investment then visit Thailand 'once in a while'. Somehow the people who make these decisions forget that people remember the dirty laundry the decision makers hope people forget.

For those of you who might be confused the point is I do not know of many expats who earn more than $5,000 a month (NOT BAHT) who would bother with living here. So Thailand is shooting itself in the foot looking to trade technology for residence. Let's face it. You can't even feel safe driving, walking across the street, bribes, censorship worry about getting bitten by a dog and on and on...

[ThomasThBKK]

It's the opposite for me. 

 

Most expats i know earn or have more money as a budget than that available per month. 

 

Most people wouldn't bother to life here otherwise. 

 

Thonglor to phrom phong is an expensive area and not worth living with far less especially if u aren't single... 

 

 

No one really cares about road safety and co... 

[AmericanSafety]

I make in excess of this but in Afghanistan and not in Thailand. I have yet to see a company (including foreign owned) which pays stateside salaries in Thailand. The vast majority are only looking for Thais with the equivalent education and certifications, which is a bit of a rarity all unto itself.

[nontabury]

18 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

It actually isn't that much in those fields. Most the foreign IT guys in my husband's office were on around 500,000 a month. These aren't the kind of people that take lower rates because the cost of street food makes up for it. 

 

Now that we have that out of the way let's bring on the rest of the posts from the retired geezers on 40,000 a month pensions saying how they should have some easier visa. 

 

Also plenty of people on these salaries do some freelancing. They tend to be a bit more ambitious. 

 

 

Maybe they need the extra money, in order to afford a Mia Noi. Or are they spending more time in the “Office”

 I give these suggestions,as I’ve know quite a few high earners in BKK doing plenty of extra horizontal work, unknown of course to their wives.

[ballpoint]

Thai Visa.  Never, in the history of human kind, has so much rubbish been spouted by so many about which they know so little.

[Sumarianson]

Invest your money and pay a huge sum for a visa for 4 years with absolutely no guarantees? There is a rejime in charge at the moment and Thailand has a hostile enviornment toward foreigners.

[Ctkong]

3 hours ago, TMNH said:

"If" you want foreigners investing and employing local people, then as you say cease the restrictive ownership criteria ( I recently spoke to a friend who is a Thai native personal assistant). She was overwhelmed with the immigration/ Visa-related  paper work (a foreigner employing Thai natives) and it is pure BS.  So to the Thai "governing" inept individuals...."if" you want to encourage non-thai business owners who will employ Thai natives, then I am available to consult with you and readily tell you how screwed up you are with regard to your inane requirements. Again, my friend tells me about all of the BS paper work and I'm surprised that any farang would ever want to come to Thailand and attempt to conduct business.

Thailand is suitable for basically retirement . The whole country is not up to speed for technological achievements. Low overall education level and having tools in charge do not bode well for technological advancement. Better thailand abondon her dreamworld and place more emphasis to make Thailand a world class tourist destination with clean beaches, air, non scamming natives and authorities, transportation safety coming to mind. 

Thailand should capitalize on her ample beaches, food and women. 

[isaanjohnno]

High earners!!!!! $75,000 a year ???? My military retirement plan pays more than that.

[Odysseus123]

Woo hoo..!

 

What did P.T Barnum have to say about fools born every minute?

[fforest1]

19 minutes ago, Sumarianson said:

Invest your money and pay a huge sum for a visa for 4 years with absolutely no guarantees? There is a rejime in charge at the moment and Thailand has a hostile enviornment toward foreigners.

No visa is safe here including the smart visa.....I have never seen a country change visa rules so often and putting so little thought into the changes...They will be very hard pressed to get so called smart companies to invest big sums of money here with the constant rule flipping.... 

[mike787]

I can work like the bar girl now....

[Enki]

22 hours ago, Greenside said:

If you're employed on a salary of 200K plus, you're pretty unlikely to have the time to do additional work outside your specialist field.  Does anyone think these ideas through?

Of course you have, as a martial arts teacher e.g. or anything that are evening classes. The problem with the ordinary work permit is: you need a work permit for everything ... if my GF brings some students home to chat with me in english: I need a work permit.

[Enki]

8 hours ago, bkkgriz said:

Aren't those people usually called adults?

How do you introduce your adult children? As "this is my adult adult son"?

[FruitPudding]

23 hours ago, fforest1 said:

200,000 baht a month or 6,300 dollars a month....A ok salary for the west....A huge salary for Thailand....

An ok salary for the west. A bloody amazing salary for someone without P1 grammar.

[FruitPudding]

Pity education is not prioritized

[dcnx]

1 hour ago, Enki said:

 if my GF brings some students home to chat with me in english: I need a work permit.

You’re one of those. Too much time on TV.

 

Nothing is going to happen to you if you help local kids in your village speak English. 

 

I’ve openly tutored local kids for over 10 years. No one cares about that other than the work permit posse on Thai Visa.

 

 

[0815]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:04 PM, Greenside said:

If you're employed on a salary of 200K plus, you're pretty unlikely to have the time to do additional work outside your specialist field.  Does anyone think these ideas through?

Maybe some want to work part time as waitress in a som tum food stall ?

[Redline]

Who would live in a toxic environment that is difficult to get what you want, when you want it, non police force, trash everywhere... that has skills to work in a beautiful, safe and clean environment ???? short time only please

[Enki]

9 hours ago, dcnx said:

You’re one of those. Too much time on TV.

 

Nothing is going to happen to you if you help local kids in your village speak English. 

 

I’ve openly tutored local kids for over 10 years. No one cares about that other than the work permit posse on Thai Visa.

 

 

Thank you for the advice. My GF is a teacher in a private school. She plans to quit the job and set up an afternoon and weekend school. Helping her out without work permit could be dangerous if one in her old school talks bad about me to immigration. So I'm not really sure (yet) how to tacke that. We consider to found an "cultural exchange club", which can hire me for language things, western cooking and martial arts. I keep you informed ... ????

 

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

If you sit on Pattaya bar stools and mix with the common variety of expat, you're not meeting the right people to get hired in Thailand unless you are looking to manage or buy a bar yourself.

I'm a home drinker, not a bar drinker, and I'm retired, been retired 18 years now.

Can't stand the company of white people either.

Is there much demand for aerospace engineers in Thailand?

[faraday]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm a home drinker, not a bar drinker, and I'm retired, been retired 18 years now.

Can't stand the company of white people either.

 

[WeekendRaider]

12 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

Pity education is not prioritized

it was under the 1997 Constitution.  since World War 2 decentralization was a Thai goal.  then something happened I guess, who knows?  but big picture.... none of us are very smart individually, only as a group.  how do we share knowledge and expertise in sophisticated skillsets?  COBOL programming, how our minds work, what makes Co2 a GHG etc etc???? written language, of course.  even today in the 'age' of Kindle readers and smartphones such as Ipads if they have a large enough display area to be able to read a lot of material and study it effectively, not just pictures and very short posts about how someone feels about this or that..... which isn't just Thailand eh? but..... only when written non-phonetically.  it's interesting, example, why in English we have more than 30 vowels but only 5 ways to read or write them.  important stuff.  more important than we individually "think"... just maybe.  that's my 2 satang.

[4MyEgo]

53 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The skills transfer from that generation already happened, and there's plenty of Thais can do those jobs now for a fraction of the money needed to support a boozing expat with extended bar-girl family.

Wouldn't swap it for quids, as for the younger generation who you say can already do the job at a fraction of the price, yes well, good luck to them.

 

The industry I worked back in the old country had to keep paying me increases every year because the "younger generation" who they eagerly employed at half of the salary of the older more experienced gents couldn't do their jobs properly because they didn't have the hands on experience and of course, I wasn't going to provide them with that, as the eager CEO's who were looking to line more of the profits in the pockets at the expense of so many older experienced blokes who were literally forced to leave, now have to deal with the mess, but life goes on, they can sweep things under the carpet for as long as it takes, but when the <deleted> hits the fan, millions and millions of $'s in contracts will go out the window, I hope one day.

 

Fortunately for me, I made the $'s and got out at 55, but not before making sure I threw a spanner in the works when I was putting together a major contract, so as to say, we missed that one fella's, and I am sure you won't forget me, let your younger inexperienced guys try and put the pieces together again, that was one for all the experienced guys that you forced out of the industry to line your pockets with more profits, suffice to say, what goes around, comes around ????

 

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

There's a thing called Google now Grandad. 

If they ain't building rockets, I ain't interested.

[ThomasThBKK]

If they ain't building rockets, I ain't interested.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44326575

What if i tell you, you could shoot durian into space :o

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[DrTuner]

12 hours ago, dcnx said:

No one cares about that other than the work permit posse on Thai Visa.

Until you piss some one off or the BiB need their tea fund topped up. The problem with no one cares is it leaves you fully exposed to corruption.