NZ bans semi-automatic and assault rifles after mass shooting

[ThaiBunny]

15 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

And now the leftwing NZ government is going even more authoritarian and banning guns. 

As I understand it they are copying the Australian policy introduced by a RIGHTWING prime minister, John Howard

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

Stop the BS - read the manifesto - the killer is a far fight extremist

Did you read the manifesto? If so, do you remember what white supremacist groups he was affiliated with and what that affiliation was?

 

 

 

 

[metisdead]

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[simple1]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Did you read the manifesto? If so, do you remember what white supremacist groups he was affiliated with and what that affiliation was?

 

 

 

 

It was very clear whom he admired, was inspired by and who he claimed to have been in contact. Again quit the nonsense

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Look I get it and I don't want to come across as too pedantic but you do keep bringing up what most of us see is a very obvious deflection from a poster who isn't exactly a liberal (perhaps our previous knowledge of the poster leads us also to this conclusion). 

I am all for people asking genuine questions that they need clarification on (which I do believe is the case with you) but you must be kinda new to this forum as this sort of thing goes on all the time with people posting nonsense inference all the time without anything to back it up. This was a guy with a lot of issues (obviously) and perhaps there was many reasons why he did what he did, but the nature of the attack (shooting 50 Muslims in a mosque) clearly demonstrates the overriding premise that he is a white supremacist and any attempt to veer away from that narrative just comes across as deflection in an attempt to justify their own prejudices. As the saying goes; if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck......... 

And the word 'equally' was my word not his. But it still rings true.   

Far as I can see, killing Muslims indicates he hates Muslims and is not necessarily because he is a white supremacist. There are white Muslims as well as coloured ones. I personally know a few white Muslims.

If he is indeed a white supremacist, there are loads of non white, non Muslims in NZ, but he chose not to kill them.

BTW, Muslims kill a lot of Muslims- does that make them white supremacists?

 

[Yellowtail]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

It was very clear whom he admired, was inspired by and who he claimed to have been in contact. Again quit the nonsense

 

I'll take that as a no, you did not read the manifesto, you have no idea what white supremacist groups he was affiliated with, nor do you know what his affiliation with those groups was.

 

I'm guessing you (like me) are just regurgitating something someone else said, yes?

[Lacessit]

On 3/22/2019 at 12:27 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

and how many criminals will be registering all their semi auto weapons?

As usual, only law abiding people will be affected.

Let's not forget that NZ has a huge gang problem.

A fairly familiar excuse. The criminals have them, so why shouldn't law-abiding citizens? Look over there, NZ has a gang problem. Show me a country that doesn't.

Any professional shooter of feral animals in Australia would bankrupt themselves with semi-automatic weapons. Those firearms have only one purpose, to kill people as efficiently as possible.

The penalties for being in possession of a semi-automatic weapon in Australia gives most criminals pause for reflection.

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Lacessit

[Yellowtail]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

Any professional shooter of feral animals in Australia would bankrupt themselves with semi-automatic weapons.

 

 

Why is that? 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Why is that? 

Ammunition is expensive. Shooters rely on 0.22 calibre for small ferals such as rabbits or foxes, and the least expensive larger calibres for larger game such as pigs, buffaloes or roos. It's a business.

[simple1]

8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I'll take that as a no, you did not read the manifesto, you have no idea what white supremacist groups he was affiliated with, nor do you know what his affiliation with those groups was.

 

I'm guessing you (like me) are just regurgitating something someone else said, yes?

No

[Lacessit]

22 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Im not going to “cease” anything and you certainly aren’t arbiter of truth by any means. 

 

Everything you just quoted is politically & environmentally LEFTWING. You clearly don’t want it to be and sure as shit don’t him to be affiliated with your side of the political spectrum, but he is, and that is a fact. 

 

Communism - LEFTWING. 

 

Socialism - LEFTWING. 

 

Eco-facsism - LEFTWING. 

 

And now the leftwing NZ government is going even more authoritarian and banning guns. 

Apparently, neither are you.

Australia DOES NOT ban guns. In copying Australia, Kiwis will still have the right to own a wide range of firearms. Just not the semi-automatics so adept at killing people.

After semi-automatics were banned in Australia, I legally owned three firearms for a number of years. 0.22, 0.22 magnum, 0.243 magnum. Disposed of them when I moved to Thailand.

Saying guns are banned in Australia or NZ is peddling misinformation.

[ThaiBunny]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Saying guns are banned in Australia or NZ is peddling misinformation.

It's the strategy of the National Rifle Association to misrepresent the situation in Australia

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Ammunition is expensive. Shooters rely on 0.22 calibre for small ferals such as rabbits or foxes, and the least expensive larger calibres for larger game such as pigs, buffaloes or roos. It's a business.

The discussion isn't about Australian cullers. NZ bush isn't like Australian bush. I suggest you talk to a New Zealand culler before making statements about what weapons are most suitable for NZ conditions. 

However, I heard a whisper that cullers will still be able to use semi autos. we'll see.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The discussion isn't about Australian cullers. NZ bush isn't like Australian bush. I suggest you talk to a New Zealand culler before making statements about what weapons are most suitable for NZ conditions. 

However, I heard a whisper that cullers will still be able to use semi autos. we'll see.

Bush is bush. It gets in the way of shooters everywhere. For the type of feral animals NZ has ( deer and pigs ) I'd say the old Lee Enfield .303 or newer .243 magnum would be adequate. If the cullers get to keep their semi-autos, fine. It's the gun nuts who will use any BS excuse to hang onto their semi-automatics that concern most rational people.

I also understand NZ has a big industry netting deer with helicopters, which to me is a smarter way to cull.

[sonos99]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The discussion isn't about Australian cullers. NZ bush isn't like Australian bush. I suggest you talk to a New Zealand culler before making statements about what weapons are most suitable for NZ conditions. 

However, I heard a whisper that cullers will still be able to use semi autos. we'll see.

People involved in in professional culling will probably be using larger capacity magazines already so will already have the category E license so they will not be impacted by the weapon reclassification. 

 

Those involved in pest control of rabbits using semi auto rim fire calibers(such as. 22 lr) will not be impacted as long as the magazine is limited (I think 15 rounds or less). 

 

Adern has mentioned exceptions for culling operations in the new gun law legislation. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, sonos99 said:

 

 

Those involved in pest control of rabbits using semi auto rim fire calibers(such as. 22 lr) will not be impacted as long as the magazine is limited (I think 15 rounds or less). 

 

 

I have to laugh when I read this, it's so ridiculous. A semi-automatic 0.22 is about as useful as tits on a bull for pest control of rabbits. Rabbits are hunted by shooting the first one. The others go to ground in their burrows. The idea is to wait a few minutes for the next one to poke its head up. and so on.

Before calcivirus virtually wiped out the rabbit population of central New South Wales, I went out with a professional shooter. I usually got 5 - 10 rabbits in an evening session. It was an education. He got 200 rabbits for the night, all headshot, using a bolt action 0.22 with a five-shot magazine. Took his time with every shot.

He's probably dead now. However, he would have regarded guys with semi-automatics as amateur poseurs.

[sonos99]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have to laugh when I read this, it's so ridiculous. A semi-automatic 0.22 is about as useful as tits on a bull for pest control of rabbits. Rabbits are hunted by shooting the first one. The others go to ground in their burrows. The idea is to wait a few minutes for the next one to poke its head up. and so on.

Before calcivirus virtually wiped out the rabbit population of central New South Wales, I went out with a professional shooter. I usually got 5 - 10 rabbits in an evening session. It was an education. He got 200 rabbits for the night, all headshot, using a bolt action 0.22 with a five-shot magazine. Took his time with every shot.

He's probably dead now. However, he would have regarded guys with semi-automatics as amateur poseurs.

Most pest control is undertaken at night using spotlight. They also use suppressors. A suppressed .22 is pretty quiet so the rabbits are less likely to go to ground. 

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Ammunition is expensive. Shooters rely on 0.22 calibre for small ferals such as rabbits or foxes, and the least expensive larger calibres for larger game such as pigs, buffaloes or roos. It's a business.

How does that make a difference? A bolt single-shot, a repeater and a semi-automatic in the same caliber all use the same ammunition . No shortage of semi-automatic 0.22 rifles arount, I had one when I was twelve.

 

But I'm guessing 0.223 is much more common now.

 

 

[metisdead]

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[metisdead]

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[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, metisdead said:

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Perhaps time to close this thread, irreconcilable differences of opinion.

[Yellowtail]

58 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps time to close this thread, irreconcilable differences of opinion.

Yes, it's always easier to shut down the discussion than answer the questions, yes?

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, it's always easier to shut down the discussion than answer the questions, yes?

When it's facts vs. beliefs, yes.

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[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

When it's facts vs. beliefs, yes.

You mean like your belief that ammo for a semi-automatic 0.22 is more expensive than ammo for a 0.22 repeater, as opposed to the fact that it's the same price?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You mean like your belief that ammo for a semi-automatic 0.22 is more expensive than ammo for a 0.22 repeater, as opposed to the fact that it's the same price?

It's the same price. It becomes more expensive when one fires more of it, which has been known to happen with trigger-happy hunters.

 

Fact: Australia has not had a mass shooting since Port Arthur

Fact: Every time there's a mass shooting in the US gun sales spike.

Fact: The NRA and gun manufacturers do everything they can to encourage gun sales, and weaken gun laws in other countries.

 

Belief: Having a gun in the household reduces the chances of being killed in the course of a burglary.

Belief: The Second Amendment cannot be changed.

Belief: Armed guards and teachers at schools will prevent massacres like Sandy Hook.

Belief: Thoughts and prayers for the victims comfort the families of the victims.

Belief: Having multiple firearms in the household protects against invasion or the tyranny of government.

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It's the same price. It becomes more expensive when one fires more of it, which has been known to happen with trigger-happy hunters.

 

 

So when you said the "...professional shooter of feral animals in Australia would bankrupt themselves with semi-automatic weapons.", you meant that in your opinion, the professional shooters that make their living culling pests would become "trigger-happy" to such a degree that they would go broke, correct? 

 

Fact: The vast majority of people in the US that own guns enjoy them and never harm anyone with them.

 

Fact: More legal gun owners save themselves from injury or death with a firearm than are killed with one.

 

Fact: About two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides, and the same people pushing for doctor-assisted suicide want to make it more difficult for a person to take their own life. 

 

Fact: Most of the reduction of gun deaths in Australia attributed to stricter gun laws were suicides. 

 

Fact: It is easier to get votes enacting new laws than it is to enforce existing laws.

 

Fact: Almost six times as many people in the US are killed by opiate overdoses than from gun-related homicides, yet the same people pushing for gun control/confiscation are pushing for legalizing/decriminalizing more drugs.

 

Belief: Poverty causes crime 

 

I get it, you guys don't like guns and want to get rid of them. I like guns and I never think it is a good idea to punish everyone for the actions of a few a-holes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cdnvic]

Had about enough with the over the top rhetoric. Calm down and stop the insults or we'll start taking posting privileges away.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎3‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 1:15 PM, Lacessit said:

Bush is bush. It gets in the way of shooters everywhere. For the type of feral animals NZ has ( deer and pigs ) I'd say the old Lee Enfield .303 or newer .243 magnum would be adequate. If the cullers get to keep their semi-autos, fine. It's the gun nuts who will use any BS excuse to hang onto their semi-automatics that concern most rational people.

I also understand NZ has a big industry netting deer with helicopters, which to me is a smarter way to cull.

I'll believe the NZ culler that was interviewed on radio over others that have some opinion, but are not NZ cullers.

I'd love to really get into this, but it's not what the topic is about so I won't.