Big Joke: Promises easier, faster and more "watertight" Immigration rules

[malibukid]

41 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

What hundreds of naff laws are you talking about?

Asking embassies to verify income. All except four can comply. Asking to prove that the money in the bank is real? Only a matter of time for that to happen. If people hadn't been rorting the system there would have been no need for these changes.

Now that some people are having trouble complying, a reasonable person may conclude that they never met the conditions to qualify for an extension of stay in the first place.

Thats two naff laws, can you list the other hundreds?

 

I guess I'm the only one who can see the irony in these visa related thread. On any given day when there is a car/truck/motorbike accident there a some passionate calls for enforcing laws. Now that the law affects you personally posters whine and whinge how unfair enforcement is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

herein lies the problem.

1. U.S.D. forecast is very good against the baht.

2. the confusion resulting with the recent election here does not

   bode well for investments.

i will gladly submit documents that will support proof that i can meet the current criteria.  the U.S. Embassy could have done this.  Immigration has no interest in doing this, consequently it is easier to have them mandate that money in the Thai bank.  not bad for the banks either, but i stand to loose 8KUSD. with the strengthening dollar.  sorry no forgein bank for me.  just too scary right now.  the smart Jewish guy's who work for me back home agree.  

  

Edited March 29, 2019 by malibukid

[Artisi]

Might be time to close down this thread, it has deteriorated into a load of <deleted>. 

[lkv]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

That's because women have a very short shelf life.

Marry a beauty and five years later she'll most likely look fat and old.

Happened to my (former) Thai wife, from stunning to 'no thanks' in five years.

Didn't happen to my (former) Brit wife, she was always a dog.

Well, that's exactly what they'll think about you, unless it's Thailand and you feed them money (or other parts of the world more money), in which case you are indeed a "handsum man". ????

Edited March 29, 2019 by lkv

[emptypockets]

28 minutes ago, malibukid said:

herein lies the problem.

1. U.S.D. forecast is very good against the baht.

2. the confusion resulting with the recent election here does not

   bode well for investments.

i will gladly submit documents that will support proof that i can meet the current criteria.  the U.S. Embassy could have done this.  Immigration has no interest in doing this, consequently it is easier to have them mandate that money in the Thai bank.  not bad for the banks either, but i stand to loose 8KUSD. with the strengthening dollar.  sorry no forgein bank for me.  just too scary right now.  the smart Jewish guy's who work for me back home agree.  

  

No problem, enjoy being back in USA or whatever country you qualify for.

[dcnx]

3 hours ago, NightSky said:

 

 

I would guess that truly wealthy westerners don’t come to live in Bangkok out of choice as there are much more luxurious parts of the world to live.

 

 

 

 

If you’re honestly wealthy and choose to live in a place like Thailand, you’re feeding a habit of some kind unless you have business here.

Edited March 29, 2019 by dcnx

[lkv]

30 minutes ago, dcnx said:

If you’re honestly wealthy and choose to live in a place like Thailand, you’re feeding a habit of some kind unless you have business here.

Paying for smiles and attention basically.

 

Before, that also included Immigration.

 

What's sad now, is that this whole anti foreigner propaganda, which is for domestic consumption, is sinking into the mindset of ordinary Thais also. IMO.

Edited March 29, 2019 by lkv

[Jaggg88]

On 3/28/2019 at 2:01 AM, Hayduke said:

 

Yes...absolutely...this will definitely make a difference. People will know instantly, and without doubt, whether they have just entered or have just departed the country

 

 

Some people will still not know if they are coming or going ????

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[RocketDog]

1 hour ago, dcnx said:

If you’re honestly wealthy and choose to live in a place like Thailand, you’re feeding a habit of some kind unless you have business here.

Yes, OR, you're feeding the habit of disliking life in your home country and truly enjoy sun, surf, pretty ladies, laid-back lifestyle and a solid relationship with a woman 15 years younger than you could have at home. Those are my reasons despite having a much more than very comfortable retirement account.

 

I've not been to every country in the world but enough to know a good thing (for me) when I see it. 

 

Whatever pulls your trigger I guess. 

[MikeN]

7 hours ago, mokwit said:

So why if that is the case, if you are an official of the Thai Govt would you be posting anonymously here - If you are not an official of the Thai Govt then it begs the question why are you posting on a website as if you were an official of the Thai authorities e.g. use of "we".

Remember all those Special Forces guys ? you know, the Seals, SBS, SAS, etc that used to post on Thai forums and occupy bar stools......so passe nowadays.

Now if you want to impress on a Thai forum you have to claim to be "in the know" by being part of some secretive Thai govt PR team.

[MikeN]

7 hours ago, Thaiarrow said:

Your attention is directed to  the previous response;

Official statements and news for immigration matters can be found here in foreign language; https://www.immigration.go.th/index . The two sections are News and Announcements.

The reliable source of information on immigration matters is the government, not anonymous persons making claims on Facebook, Panthip, Nation Media website. 

You mean the News and Announcements that are in Thai, even though the page is the English option ? Not so useful is it ? Perhaps you (and LoveThailandElite ) could be gainfully employed on government websites instead of trolling here.

Edited March 29, 2019 by MikeN

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, dcnx said:

If you’re honestly wealthy and choose to live in a place like Thailand, you’re feeding a habit of some kind unless you have business here.

Agreed, Thailand is for the poorer retirees.

The wealthy will be in Mauritius, Seychelles, Montego, Nassau.

Edited March 29, 2019 by BritManToo

[Khaeng Mak]

40 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Yes, OR, you're feeding the habit of disliking life in your home country and truly enjoy sun, surf, pretty ladies, laid-back lifestyle and a solid relationship with a woman 15 years younger than you could have at home. Those are my reasons despite having a much more than very comfortable retirement account.

 

I've not been to every country in the world but enough to know a good thing (for me) when I see it. 

 

Whatever pulls your trigger I guess. 

You can't be that wealthy if your woman is only 15 years younger.

[DaRoadrunner]

5 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Nothing to worry about this is just a warm up for the mico-chip implant on arrival,,,, 

Or maybe a GPS linked ankle bracelet so they would always know where we are. At least we would no longer need to make 90 day reports.

[Khaeng Mak]

Just now, DaRoadrunner said:

Or maybe a GPS linked ankle bracelet so they would always know where we are. At least we would no longer need to make 90 day reports.

No the technology here is not up to that level.  They will drill a hole through one of your teeth and then use a length of string to tie you up to a post.  That is how I used to keep track of my pet tortoise when I was a kid.

[ocddave]

11 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Or maybe a GPS linked ankle bracelet so they would always know where we are. At least we would no longer need to make 90 day reports.

Only if I get to put an electric shock collar on all Thai drivers, I'd say that's a good compromise.

[keysersoze276]

On 3/28/2019 at 12:52 PM, moe666 said:

I keep hearing they have made it harder and I have to ask harder how. Other than tighting up the proof of your income and now requireing it to be shown in a Thai Bank, only for the 4 lazy Embassies, also longer stay of your lumpsum in the bank money. What is harder folks, O forgot only harder for the fools who have been fooling themselves with lies about their income or using a agent to deposit money for them. Many times here on Thai Visa have seen the Brits complaing about the US folks who only had to raise their hand and swear my income. Well, now they are in the same boat even though they showed paper work their Embassy can not be bothered to actually prove it was correct. Get over it boys changes are coming and people do not like it, especially those who have been lying and cheating

I really question the intelligence of these kinds of posts.  I'm not eligible for a retirement visa due to my age, but I don't understand why anyone from anywhere would be happy to keep 800,000 locked and sealed in a Thai bank.  Do you not consider exchange rates, emergencies, better investments?  Even if you happen to have x million baht to throw around, others don't or would rather use it for travel, kid's education, fixing the leaking roof, donating to charity, whatever.  I agree with another poster that retirees and married guys are not a big criminal threat.  It doesn't apply to me personally...yet.  But if one had 400,000 in the bank to satisfy retirement requirements and suddenly it doubled all of a sudden, it could sink the ship or at least be a major inconvenience.  I don't see how it helps anyone other than Thai banks.  I feel bad for the guys that already chose to retire here and got screwed.  And if I was 90 years old and had a million baht, I wouldn't want to be forced to keep it in a Thai bank.  What makes you think all of these guys were lying and cheating?

[gunderhill]

5 hours ago, emptypockets said:

I heard a similar thing from a medical professional many years ago, well before Thailand was even on my radar. He said Thai men hate us for the same reasons you have stated.

No problem I married an ugly one????

[Bournville]

I really question the intelligence of these kinds of posts.  I'm not eligible for a retirement visa due to my age, but I don't understand why anyone from anywhere would be happy to keep 800,000 locked and sealed in a Thai bank.  Do you not consider exchange rates, emergencies, better investments?  Even if you happen to have x million baht to throw around, others don't or would rather use it for travel, kid's education, fixing the leaking roof, donating to charity, whatever.  I agree with another poster that retirees and married guys are not a big criminal threat.  It doesn't apply to me personally...yet.  But if one had 400,000 in the bank to satisfy retirement requirements and suddenly it doubled all of a sudden, it could sink the ship or at least be a major inconvenience.  I don't see how it helps anyone other than Thai banks.  I feel bad for the guys that already chose to retire here and got screwed.  And if I was 90 years old and had a million baht, I wouldn't want to be forced to keep it in a Thai bank.  What makes you think all of these guys were lying and cheating?

Well said!

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[keysersoze276]

9 hours ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Some posters have proven once again why it has in the past, proven impossible for anybody that is in a position to issue help and guidance, to simply be dismissed with ignorant reply's. Most have no idea who is posting or monitoring this and other social media platforms for the purposes of Data and information collecting. Trust me, your every scam and move in an attempt to circumvent Immigration law and rules are known and will gradually be shut down. The ideas posted of using the 65k a month to send it in, move it to another account only to send it out and then back again the following month was the silliest post ever.
Now you understand why when TVF has asked to set up meetings with immigration to clarify situations, those requests have mostly either been ignored or declined.
 

This is weird.  You didn't use your catch phrase this time.  Usually you tell all other members to comply with the rules without any questions or discussion or leave.  Love the username, sorry it went to your head.  Just imagine what you could have done with that money if you were just a "good guy" and didn't need to buy an "elite visa".  You could feed poor rural village for a day easily.  But people have priorities, you got the elite visa.  Understood.  Nothing wrong doing that.  Stepping into the forum telling people to get out though, is a whole new ball game.  If you sat next to me at a bar or struck up a conversation with me at a food stall, I guarantee if I said visa changes were a problem you wouldn't dare tell me to comply or get out.  And if some old man told  you he was stressed because he has there grandchildren with birthdays this month and he promised to help his youngest son buy a new home, I don't think you would tell him to f*** off and get out.  Would you?  (I read your previous posts.  Telling people to comply is not help or guidance.  Get off the stage you Prima Donna!)

 

[GinBoy2]

22 hours ago, Shackleton123 said:

Legal and above board? My wife did her 90 days yesterday. All paperwork in order, exactly 90 days since last reported, fined 800 baht. Me - 90 days a month ago, my last report confirmation slip in my passport complete with date of next report all in order EXCEPT it was not my slip! Wrong slip attached by immigration officer. So I got fined 2000 baht.

 

Legal and above board? in Thailand? in Immigration? what planet are you on?

Very little in Thailand can't be fixed with money.

 

I've mentioned this in another thread. 

 

Years ago, when I didn't realize that my ฿800K couldn't be in a joint account, lo and behold ฿2000 and everything was 'fixed'

 

Whole country is corrupt from top to bottom, anyone who tries argue the opposite is either blind or stupid

Edited March 29, 2019 by GinBoy2

[lkv]

51 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Very little in Thailand can't be fixed with money.

 

I've mentioned this in another thread. 

 

Years ago, when I didn't realize that my ฿800K couldn't be in a joint account, lo and behold ฿2000 and everything was 'fixed'

 

Whole country is corrupt from top to bottom, anyone who tries argue the opposite is either blind or stupid

Correct, just add another zero for today's rate. Corruption has become more expensive since you last experienced it.

[NightSky]

15 hours ago, Thaiarrow said:

After close examination of all comments made on the subject, it is obvious, that a very small number of people make the negative comments. Over 35 million people visit Thailand every year under the different visas, and from reading Nation Media forum here, it seems 20 people have a problem because they do not have income or financial solvency. Maybe there are 100 or maybe 1000 who have same position. This is  less than 0.0029% of visa holders. Now, should you not ask yourself, why do such a small number of people expect the regulations to be made for their convenience? 

 

Few countries have been as generous and kind to foreigners who are social benefit recipients. Thailand has paid the medical costs of many foreigners who have not been able to pay or who have benefited from public health care. However, it is time that the regulations be updated to reflect the year 2562.  Again, readers are reminded that the pending changes have received support from the foreign business community with no objections raised during consultations. Investors and business professionals will continue to be welcomed. Tourists with appropriate visa qualifications will continue to be welcomed. Yes, a small, very small, number of people may not be able to remain in Thailand. It is best for everyone that these people go to their homelands where they can be looked after by their families and government. 

 

It is also noted the very positive comments made about foreign visa rules in other countries. This is delightful if it is a solution for the people who are most unhappy. Not everyone can be made happy when  regulations must be made to protect the largest number of people. Thailand regulations are enacted to reflect Thailand needs and economic conditions. Other countries do the same.

 

 

You don't seem to understand that there is no security in Thailand for families to be able to stay together and build a secure family home. Everything is temporary.

 

Some husbands fear they cannot stay to live with their wife and children because if one year business isnt good or the company makes you redundant or god forbid a health problem takes all your savings because you find out your health insurance wont pay, you'll then be forced to leave your wife and kids behind even if you've just been through hell and back due to a health condition and even if you've spend the last several decades building your life and assets in Thailand to support your family.

 

This isn't security.

 

Investments can go bad, work can make redundancies, business take a down turn and accidents happen and health mishaps happen since this is life. 

 

After so many years contributing one should be given freedom to live in the country with wife and children without needing to continuously prove ones financial worth. Don't tell me about PR because this is only available to a handful every year and the application process sounds ridiculous.

 

Imagine those expats here for 2 or 3 decades some with grandchildren and still dont have permission to stay unless they prove their finical worth each and every year. I remember one guy recently worrying how hes going to live in Thailand after his wife separated with him at the age of 70+ years after living in Thailand for decades with kids and grand kids. Poor state of health and no where else to go but not allowed to remain without x amount of money!!

 

If you think you're safe because you got money in the bank that may apply for a while but things can go wrong and it isn't secure for families in the long term. Those who argue it is are delusional.

 

Its only secure for tourists who spend money for a few weeks of the year then go home or those who have so much money that there is no possible way to lose it all in one lifetime (multi multi millionaires)

 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by NightSky

[GinBoy2]

7 minutes ago, NightSky said:

 

 

You don't seem to understand that there is no security in Thailand for families to be able to stay together and build a secure family home. Everything is temporary.

 

Some husbands fear they cannot stay to live with their wife and children because if one year business isnt good or the company makes you redundant or god forbid a health problem takes all your savings because you find out your health insurance wont pay, you'll then e forced to leave your wife and kids behind even if you've just been through hell and back due to a health condition and even if you've spend the last several decades building your life and assets in Thailand. to support your family.

 

This isn't security.

 

Investments can go bad, work can make redundancies, business take a down turn and accidents happen and health mishaps happen since this is life. 

 

After so many years contributing one should be given freedom to live in the country with wife and children without needing to continuously prove ones financial worth. Dont tell me about PR because this is only available to a handful every year and the application process sounds ridiculous.

 

Imagine those expats here for 2 or 3 decades some with grandchildren and still dont have permission to stay unless they prove their finical worth each and every year. I remember one guy recently worrying how hes going to live in Thailand after his wife separated with him at the age of 70+ years. No where else to go but not allowed to remain without x amount of money.

 

If you think you're safe because you got money in the bank that may apply for a while but things can go wrong and it isn't secure for families in the long term. Those who argue it is are delusional.

 

Its only secure for tourists who spend money for a few weeks of the year then go home or those who have so much money that there is no possible way to lose it all in one lifetime (multi multi millionaires)

 

 

It's the fundamental difference many either don't, or refuse to accept.

 

When you as a Farang take a spouse to farangland they are an immigrant, with permanent residency and the rights that go along with that. no extensions, no 90 day reports, no money in the bank, no visits from the cops t take your picture!

For a farang spouse of a Thai living in Thailand it's never more than a temporary resident year to year

 

Many are delusional to that fact

[rosst]

On 3/28/2019 at 10:05 AM, Khaeng Mak said:

Easier, faster and more watertight =

 

• 1.6 million baht on deposit for 12 months for retirement extension
• 800K baht on deposit for 12 months for wedding extension
• 30 day reporting with full finger printing and facial scan on each occassion
• 10K baht fine for not doing TM30 report (payable by foreigner on next extension application)
• Compulsory medical insurance payable to agent at each immigration office. No choice of providers
• New stamps that will burn a full page in your passport, not just half a page like the previous ones.

 

Sadly, you are probably close to the mark, I am established in the Philippines now and currently hosting two Aussie friends on prospecting trips, BOTH with Thai wives and children 

[malibukid]

7 hours ago, keysersoze276 said:

I really question the intelligence of these kinds of posts.  I'm not eligible for a retirement visa due to my age, but I don't understand why anyone from anywhere would be happy to keep 800,000 locked and sealed in a Thai bank.  Do you not consider exchange rates, emergencies, better investments?  Even if you happen to have x million baht to throw around, others don't or would rather use it for travel, kid's education, fixing the leaking roof, donating to charity, whatever.  I agree with another poster that retirees and married guys are not a big criminal threat.  It doesn't apply to me personally...yet.  But if one had 400,000 in the bank to satisfy retirement requirements and suddenly it doubled all of a sudden, it could sink the ship or at least be a major inconvenience.  I don't see how it helps anyone other than Thai banks.  I feel bad for the guys that already chose to retire here and got screwed.  And if I was 90 years old and had a million baht, I wouldn't want to be forced to keep it in a Thai bank.  What makes you think all of these guys were lying and cheating?

shakedown street

Edited March 30, 2019 by malibukid

[Fex Bluse]

13 hours ago, brokenbone said:

i dont buy that argument for a single second,

because just like home, none in his right mind

is going to willingly have anything to do with prostitutes,

and 99% foreigners here ends up with exactly that,

just like foreigners home end up with the ugliest

girls that can be found at home

 

13 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

oh i don't know.. the Russians and Saudis have been doing that in my country for years (they basically own the west end of london now - walk around Harrods lol) and i don't sense much if any resentment towards them - actually they have been welcomed by successive labour and conservative governments. we even have specialised tax rules for them (non-domicile). they appear to be welcomed (current political events withstanding)

 

any resentment would come from a childish minority and is definately not mainstream.. (you know the same scum who don't like other races..)

 

and as for taking all the beautiful women i think he was pulling your leg. 99% of thais i've spoken with are bemused why we go after, how shall i say the tanned girls lol, and are happy we leave the white ones for them ????

 

Most of the Thai ladies us farang end up with are NOT considered attractive by Thai guy standards. Of course, it doesn't matter. We like certain looks, they like others. To each his own. 

 

I do agree that there is deep jealously, though, by Thai men and women. I think alot of it comes from a resentment that farang can ignore the Thai Social Olympics that their entire culture is based on. 

 

Farang don't have to worry about who is "bigger" or more important than who or who to wai first and how high to wai or spend exorbitant time building a network of Thais to rely on. 

 

Thais' entire existence is plagued by their narrow, ancient cultural and social requirements. Us Farang rock up and can normally comfortably ignore 99% of the nonsense which Thais deeply resent. 

 

Imagine you come from a tiny ancient kingdom where you are a really important person because your family 17 generations ago were the best pig farmers in your village. Then you are instantly transported to the present day where everyone simply ignores your status. It would severely deflate and damage your ego. This is what almost all Thais experience when interacting with the non-Thai world. 

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Fex Bluse

[mokwit]

5 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Thais' entire existence is plagued by their narrow, ancient cultural and social requirements. Us Farang rock up and can normally comfortably ignore 99% of the nonsense which Thais deeply resent. 

I pulled out of working here because I did not want to be in their system. The more you understand it the more difficult it becomes to continue living in it - not the inverse as some would have you believe.

 

I have been there and come through the other side to live as long stay tourist outside of their system.

[Fex Bluse]

4 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I pulled out of working here because I did not want to be in their system. The more you understand it the more difficult it becomes to continue living in it - not the inverse as some would have you believe.

 

I have been there and come through the other side to live as long stay tourist outside of their system.

Same for me. Though I did it by ensuring that I rely on no Thais for my financial well-being. With stable wealth detached from Planet Thailand, I can and do ignore almost all their nonsense. 

[GeorgeCross]

well one things for sure if there is a plan to get rid of us it's certainly picking up speed in my area but maybe not in the way they want..

 

a lot of the medium to wealthy are running or at least making sure their investments are being kept outside of Thailand whilst investments here are either being cut to the bone and not being renewed (cars, condos, businesses, stocks, etc) or being liquidated.

 

funnily enough if this keeps up even the wealthy will 'appear' to be poor as far as Thailand is concerned

 

another job well done, complete and utter success backfire

 

all of this is down to security and in an environment of ever increasing shifting sands i think i'll join them

 

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by GeorgeCross