UK PM May asks EU for Brexit delay until June 30

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/france-spain-and-belgium-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-next-week

France, Spain and Belgium 'ready for no-deal Brexit next week'

Chance of May getting 30 June extension appear slim after notes of EU meeting emerge

France has won the support of Spain and Belgium after signalling its readiness for a no-deal Brexit on 12 April if there are no significant new British proposals, according to a note of an EU27 meeting seen by the Guardian.

The diplomatic cable reveals that the French ambassador secured the support of Spanish and Belgian colleagues in arguing that there should only be, at most, a short article 50 extension to avoid an instant financial crisis, saying: “We could probably extend for a couple of weeks to prepare ourselves in the markets.”

The chances of Theresa May’s proposal of an extension to 30 June succeeding appeared slim as France’s position in the private diplomatic meeting was echoed by an official statement reiterating its opposition to any further Brexit delay without a clear British plan.

May wrote to the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, on Friday to ask for the delay until 30 June while she battles to win cross-party agreement on a way forward.

EU confirms it wants short-term fisheries arrangement with UK

 

EU states are extremely sceptical that an extension to 30 June will resolve anything in Westminster. Tusk is pushing the EU to offer at a summit next Wednesday what he has described as a “flextension” in which the UK would be given a year-long extension with an option to come out early if the deal is ratified.

 

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The Devil's tail appears here … (just a quote out of further article ….!! )

"If the EU did only allow a two-week extension the UK would then have an opportunity to revoke article 50, setting up the possibility of a straight vote in parliament between leaving with no deal and overturning the result of the referendum." 

 

(in further reading article a plot is showing in the making.... maybe...)

Eurosceptic European Research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg, stating that the British government should disrupt the EU from within in the event of a long extension of EU membership.

“The functioning of the EU is a central element as how we proceed,” the official said. “The tweet of Jacob Rees-Mogg showed what they are capable of.”

Earlier in the day a European commission spokesman played down the impact of Rees-Mogg’s remarks. He said: “This gentleman is not our interlocutor and I would say then that the principle of sincere cooperation does apply as the Prime Minister May herself makes it clear in her letter.”

But an EU source said that the threat implicit in the Conservative MP’s tweet was “turning into the biggest issue”. “How can we make sure the UK doesn’t pull a Jacob Rees-Mogg? How can we make sure they play nice? On the one hand a short extension or a no-deal carries risks, but a long extension risks paralysis.”

Later, the European parliament’s chief Brexit representative, Guy Verhofstadt, wrote in response to Rees-Mogg’s tweet: “For those in the EU who may be tempted to further extend the Brexit saga, I can only say, be careful what you wish for.”

 

JRM 's Tweet: 

A senior EU official briefing the ambassadors conceded there were concerns about a tweet earlier on Friday by the Conservative MP and chairman of the Eurosceptic European Research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg, stating that the British government should disrupt the EU from within in the event of a long extension of EU membership......

 

“The functioning of the EU is a central element as how we proceed,” the official said. “The tweet of Jacob Rees-Mogg showed what they are capable of.”

Edited April 5, 2019 by david555

[arithai12]

Update from Reuters:

May wrote to Brussels asking European Union leaders to postpone Britain’s exit from next Friday until June 30. But they have insisted that she must first show a viable plan to secure agreement on her divorce deal in the deadlocked parliament.

 

Kudos to EU states for standing up to Tusk/Junker/Merkel and let's hope April 12 is finally bye-bye day, both sides have other pressing matters to attend to like EU elections and a dysfunctional UK government.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

France, Spain and Belgium 'ready for no-deal Brexit next week'

Chance of May getting 30 June extension appear slim after notes of EU meeting emerge

That would be great news but I am not celebrating yet as TM the woman who has lied even more than Tony Blair will do everything to keep the UK in the EU IMO.

 

2 hours ago, david555 said:

May wrote to the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, on Friday to ask for the delay until 30 June while she battles to win cross-party agreement on a way forward.

EU confirms it wants short-term fisheries arrangement with UK

Of course they do and in the long term no doubt. Get a brexiteer in charge so we can really negotiate.

 

2 hours ago, david555 said:

JRM 's Tweet: 

A senior EU official briefing the ambassadors conceded there were concerns about a tweet earlier on Friday by the Conservative MP and chairman of the Eurosceptic European Research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg, stating that the British government should disrupt the EU from within in the event of a long extension of EU membership......

 

“The functioning of the EU is a central element as how we proceed,” the official said. “The tweet of Jacob Rees-Mogg showed what they are capable of.”

I wont be surprised if they give us an extension but not allowed in the elections. JRM is right.

 

Thanks for the post as it really shows the mess TM has put us in and how treacherous she is.

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

Kudos to EU states for standing up to Tusk/Junker/Merkel and let's hope April 12 is finally bye-bye day, both sides have other pressing matters to attend to like EU elections and a dysfunctional UK government.

I totally agree if it is true but my belief is the EU presidents do not give a flying f about the member countries and they do as they are told. But here is wishing your correct.????

[arithai12]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I totally agree if it is true but my belief is the EU presidents do not give a flying f about the member countries and they do as they are told. But here is wishing your correct.????

afaik any decision regarding another delay must be approved by the 27 member states. and apparently it wasn't. The UK may pull a rabbit out of the hat during the weekend... I doubt it.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, arithai12 said:

afaik any decision regarding another delay must be approved by the 27 member states. and apparently it wasn't. The UK may pull a rabbit out of the hat during the weekend... I doubt it.

Well lets see but have you noticed how Donald Tusk tweets or says things instantly without consulting the other 27 member states. He and the other 4 EU presidents pull the strings IMHO.

[John V]

If you look at the old Soviet system, you’ll find the updated EU from the EEC is very similar because that’s what it was modelled on. The Soviet Union didn’t collapse, it moved to Brussels taking the same system and characters with it. Top down rule by unelected commissioners, anti-democratic and corrupt, in which the former ‘workers unite’ slogans were replaced by cultural Marxist identity politics. The EU is what a political elite take-over looks like – a political elite gravy train and a bankers paradise.

The EU gravy train (3.55m)   

Anyone remember Hungary and Czechoslovakia trying to distance itself from the Soviet Union? You’re not meant to escape from similar entities like the EU and the EU doesn’t want to put ideas into heads and have a similar vote or referendum elsewhere. It’s not about making Britain great again, it’s about the public having the final authority on who governs them and able to not only elect them, but to un-elect them. What point a parliament meant to represent the people if it becomes a rubber stamp for laws and directives issued elsewhere?  

Like him or hate him, Nigel Farage tells the EU elite exactly what they are (3.10m).  

The final irony is that the British were finally allowed to vote in or out for something they never voted to join in the first place and they’re now finding out it wasn’t a legal vote but a referendum and the political elite, led by publicly unelected remainer Theresa May are doing everything possible to thwart the majority decision. The EU will collapse in its own good time, just like all the other attempts create utopias before it, but the damage it leaves in its wake will last for generations.  

"Of course, there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?" - (Jean-Claude Junker, unelected President of the European Union Commission).

"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals we dare not present to them directly. All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised" - Valery Giscard D’Estang, member of Constitutional Council of France, on the Lisbon treaty.

For the 'remainers'; are these the kind of people you want to govern you? (0.33m)

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, John V said:

If you look at the old Soviet system, you’ll find the updated EU from the EEC is very similar because that’s what it was modelled on. The Soviet Union didn’t collapse, it moved to Brussels taking the same system and characters with it. Top down rule by unelected commissioners, anti-democratic and corrupt, in which the former ‘workers unite’ slogans were replaced by cultural Marxist identity politics. The EU is what a political elite take-over looks like – a political elite gravy train and a bankers paradise.

The EU gravy train (3.55m)   

Anyone remember Hungary and Czechoslovakia trying to distance itself from the Soviet Union? You’re not meant to escape from similar entities like the EU and the EU doesn’t want to put ideas into heads and have a similar vote or referendum elsewhere. It’s not about making Britain great again, it’s about the public having the final authority on who governs them and able to not only elect them, but to un-elect them. What point a parliament meant to represent the people if it becomes a rubber stamp for laws and directives issued elsewhere?  

Like him or hate him, Nigel Farage tells the EU elite exactly what they are (3.10m).  

The final irony is that the British were finally allowed to vote in or out for something they never voted to join in the first place and they’re now finding out it wasn’t a legal vote but a referendum and the political elite, led by publicly unelected remainer Theresa May are doing everything possible to thwart the majority decision. The EU will collapse in its own good time, just like all the other attempts create utopias before it, but the damage it leaves in its wake will last for generations.  

"Of course, there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?" - (Jean-Claude Junker, unelected President of the European Union Commission).

"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals we dare not present to them directly. All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised" - Valery Giscard D’Estang, member of Constitutional Council of France, on the Lisbon treaty.

For the 'remainers'; are these the kind of people you want to govern you? (0.33m)

Populist Conspiracy Theory gibberish. 

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well lets see but have you noticed how Donald Tusk tweets or says things instantly without consulting the other 27 member states. He and the other 4 EU presidents pull the strings IMHO.

At least the Hard Brexiteers here consult their nutcase populist websites before setting forth.

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, arithai12 said:

afaik any decision regarding another delay must be approved by the 27 member states. and apparently it wasn't. The UK may pull a rabbit out of the hat during the weekend... I doubt it.

No shortage of Hard Brexiteer rabbit.

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I totally agree if it is true but my belief is the EU presidents do not give a flying f about the member countries and they do as they are told. But here is wishing your correct.????

Its Conspiracy Time!

[malagateddy]

No Sh..THAT IS THE TRUTH..LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

Populist Conspiracy Theory gibberish. 

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[brewsterbudgen]

Seems clear that the EU are no longer going to be unanimous about another extension of "flextension" - so we'll be left with a simple choice.  "No deal" Brexit on 12 April, Theresa May's deal, or revoke Article 50.  I can't see Parliament or Theresa May going for the former, everyone except TM hates the second one, so thankfully the whole thing may get called off.

Edited April 6, 2019 by brewsterbudgen

[Geoffggi]

About time she grew a pair and said OK we are out..!!!

[malagateddy]

Seems clear that the EU are no longer going to be unanimous about another extension of "flextension" - so we'll be left with a simple choice.  "No deal" Brexit on 12 April, Theresa May's deal, or revoke Article 50.  I can't see Parliament or Theresa May going for the former, everyone except TM hates the second one, so thankfully the whole thing may get called off.

With France and Germany teetering into recession..with Italy almost bankrupt and their economy still sinking..do you honestly think that mama merkel will not " crack the whip " at any country who does not want to give the UK an extension.
Merkel is all too well aware that the afD will run amok re the mep elections coming up..she is also very aware of the discontent of german taxpayers who do not want to be the atm for eu subsidy junkie countries.


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[John V]

47 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Populist Conspiracy Theory gibberish. 

Lol. The conspiracy theory is that the EU was some great democratic ideal voted in by European populations to create a multicultural socialist utopia. So, how’s the multicultural ‘all cultures are equal’ open borders doing? How does the EU envisage any one country getting out of the recession when all must do so equally, or not at all? Remember Cameron boasting that the UK had finally made a profit and the EU levelling a tax on it? (Which despite the initial fury the UK was forced to pay). What do you feel about Europe eventually being divided into zones not countries? Not that you’ll have any say in it.

Watch the documentary. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it explains what the EU is and its effects on the UK. The conspiracy theory was that we’d all ignore cultures and live in a socially engineered utopia and the 20^th century provides enough examples of that failing. How many generations in the 20th century listened to the same type of politicians promising the same pipe dreams? 

Brexit

‘It was devised to make sure that the great mass of the people could not control government, ever again.’

[mickymouse1]

EU will allow the UK up to 12 months to get their act together as they know how the people in Westminster act and behave since early 40s....SHAMBOLIC 

[talahtnut]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Populist Conspiracy Theory gibberish. 

A member obsessed with Conspiracy Theory?

However, On behalf of the 'SMUGGLERS ASSOCIATION' on

the IRISH BORDER. Would you please make up your minds

as our members want to get back to work.

[Basil B]

4 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

A member obsessed with Conspiracy Theory?

However, On behalf of the 'SMUGGLERS ASSOCIATION' on

the IRISH BORDER. Would you please make up your minds

as our members want to get back to work.

Do not forget White van man Dave on his weekly Booze Cruise or Fag Ash Lil on her weekly Trip to Tenerife and her ten suitcases of Backy...   

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Geoffggi said:

About time she grew a pair and said OK we are out..!!!

Soi Buakaow Special.

[Nobbie49]

Not as long as the uk govt. is doing everything in it's power to remain within the eu.....

Its not it’s. You must be a Brexiteer


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[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, John V said:

Lol. The conspiracy theory is that the EU was some great democratic ideal voted in by European populations to create a multicultural socialist utopia. So, how’s the multicultural ‘all cultures are equal’ open borders doing? How does the EU envisage any one country getting out of the recession when all must do so equally, or not at all? Remember Cameron boasting that the UK had finally made a profit and the EU levelling a tax on it? (Which despite the initial fury the UK was forced to pay). What do you feel about Europe eventually being divided into zones not countries? Not that you’ll have any say in it. Watch the documentary. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it explains what the EU is and its effects on the UK. The conspiracy theory was that we’d all ignore cultures and live in a socially engineered utopia and the 20^th century provides enough examples of that failing. How many generations in the 20th century listened to the same type of politicians promising the same pipe dreams? Brexit‘It was devised to make sure that the great mass of the people could not control government, ever again.’

Readers slightly bemused at the EU=Soviet Union garbage peddled by our friendly Conspiracy Theory Hard Brexiteers will be at least amused at the attached junk documentary linked to above. Produced by Martin Durkin, not only formerly associated with the uber fruitcakes of the Revolutionary Communist Party, but leading anti-green, anti-global warming campaigner. Nutters. All of them.

[csmith]

Politicians <sigh> … and my poor old Pounds £ continue to get hammered.

 

 

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, csmith said:

Politicians <sigh> … and my poor old Pounds £ continue to get hammered.

If the Hard Brexiteers succeed they have promised to bring back the 10-bob note.

[Basil B]

10 hours ago, bomber said:

banks merging whatever next, we hear from brexiteers on here about all the poverty and youth jobless in spain,yet santander are one of the biggest and best banks (yes iam a customer) in the UK and didnt they buy out/save the abbey national bank,i am sure they did. 

Was not the Abbey fire salvage???

[DieterWiehe]

16 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Dream on becker..germany is teetering into recession..2 big grrman banks talking about merging ?

 

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German Citizen are also Hurting. the EU is good to no one, ask the citizens of all the other member states.the only one who likes the EU are the Politicians worrying about their big Money income.

[Basil B]

2 minutes ago, DieterWiehe said:

German Citizen are also Hurting. the EU is good to no one, ask the citizens of all the other member states.the only one who likes the EU are the Politicians worrying about their big Money income.

In principle the EU is a great institution, but needs major reform, the reasons why 52% voted to leave are many fold and I wanted to see us remain and tackle the bureaucracy and inequalities from within.  

[Becker]

14 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Seemingly froggie macron is against any extension..just nrw he's be useful sooner or later

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Nice to see you're classy enough not to use ethnic slurs. You sure are a prime example of how the most shrill Brexiteers have the moral high ground.

[Becker]

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It does amuse me when people say things like this - like it's all about the number of people.  It's not a game of soldiers! 

Fyi, the sum of the populations of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria comes to about 580m. 

And?

[tomacht8]

15 minutes ago, DieterWiehe said:

German Citizen are also Hurting. the EU is good to no one, ask the citizens of all the other member states.the only one who likes the EU are the Politicians worrying about their big Money income.

The majority of EU Member States' economic problems are not EU induced. Global problems, such as overpopulation, climate change, marine pollution, plastic waste, species extinctions, wastage of resources, lack of drinking water, desertification, monocultures, environmental toxins, wars, etc., are affecting all economies.
The biggest competitors for the last resources are the USA, Russia and China. Anyone who believes that a small, insignificant Country can play a decisive role here, must be placed in the dreamers Corner. 
The EU has his mistakes, but without the EU, the standard of living of all Member States would drop significantly.