Kratom and CBD,when will they be available,

[chiangrai]

I want to try CBD and kratom but don.t want to break any laws,

I saw that they've been made legal a few weeks ago but only if you have a prescription.

 

Have they set up any where where you can get these prescriptions  or will that be in the distant future.

I'm actually thinking of going abroad to try them.

[Sheryl]

They aren't going to set up special places to get prescriptions. It is not going to be like in the West. Prescriptions in Thailand will have to come from usual medical sources and may prove harder to get than people seem to anticipate.

The narcotic reclassification has already been done (from category 5 -- altogether illegal -- to category 2, legal for medical use but controlled). This is the same category as morphine etc. to give you an idea of the level of control you can expect.

There are not yet any medical canbabis products registered for use in Thailand and a lot of profit driven squabbling going on over it.

As far as I can see since it is now narcotic category 2 it should be possible for traveller to legally bring in a prescribed cannabis product (maximum 30 day supply) with permit from FDA though I haven't seen any first hand reports of anyone trying it.

Thete are unconfirmed reports of some of the antiaging clinics in Thailand using CBD oil.

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[Vacuum]

17 hours ago, chiangrai said:

I'm actually thinking of going abroad to try them.

You'll be disapointed, at least with the kratom.

[chiangrai]

Thanks Sheryl,

I'm trying to decide whether to go abroad to try Kratom,THC  and CBD  or not.The only other option is to buy it online and have it shipped here.

I really don't want to leave Thailand but I also really don't want to go to jail here either.

 

So what your saying,correct me if I'm wrong, is that if your found in possession of any of these 3 substances you better have some paperwork with you.

Do you know what paperwork  I would need if they were found when entering Thailand in the mail.When you say FDA does that mean Thai FDA.

[Sheryl]

Thanks Sheryl,
I'm trying to decide whether to go abroad to try Kratom,THC  and CBD  or not.The only other option is to buy it online and have it shipped here.
I really don't want to leave Thailand but I also really don't want to go to jail here either.
 
So what your saying,correct me if I'm wrong, is that if your found in possession of any of these 3 substances you better have some paperwork with you.
Do you know what paperwork  I would need if they were found when entering Thailand in the mail.When you say FDA does that mean Thai FDA.

Yes, Thai FDA. Narcotics Division. You apply for a permit to bring it in with you. Google " Thailand FDA narcotic permit for travellers"

Do not try to purchase this online. Seriously illegal and could get in a lot of trouble.

You may find these drugs do not meet your expectations. There are some useful medical applications but they have been way, way overhyped.

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[chiangrai]

Thanks Sheryl,

So the new law is only for tourists bringing in a 30 day supply for there holidays.

It is no good for people living in Thailand who want to try them as long term medication.

Is that what it boils down to.

 

I see so much online about these meds and find some of it too good to be true but the only way to know is to try them and it looks like I might have to go abroad to do that.

 

[Sheryl]

39 minutes ago, chiangrai said:

Thanks Sheryl,

So the new law is only for tourists bringing in a 30 day supply for there holidays.

It is no good for people living in Thailand who want to try them as long term medication.

Is that what it boils down to.

 

I see so much online about these meds and find some of it too good to be true but the only way to know is to try them and it looks like I might have to go abroad to do that.

 

 

No, the new law paves the way for medical use within Thailand as well.

 

It is just that there are not yet any products registered.

 

Has to first be legal. Then manufacturers have to register their product with the Thai FDA, a process that takes time.

 

It was legalized (as a class 2 narcotic) only on April 1.

 

What you read online is indeed too good to be true. Has some used but is certainly not a miracle sure for everything.

[chiangrai]

sheryl,

do you think cbd is an anti-inflammatory and do you think

kratom is a good painkiller and if so to what extent

 

they say for fibromyalgia i should take cbd and thc.what do you make of that

i'm just trying to cut through the hype.

 

if i were to go abroad and try the 3,krathom,thc and cbd,i may  at the very least be able to reduce the amount of gabaaapentin and amitripilene i'm taking.

 

or is even that much falling for the hype.

[DaRoadrunner]

What is the cause of your Fibromyalgia?

[chiangrai]

now there's a question......too deep for mate.....

[Sheryl]

15 hours ago, chiangrai said:

sheryl,

do you think cbd is an anti-inflammatory and do you think

kratom is a good painkiller and if so to what extent

 

they say for fibromyalgia i should take cbd and thc.what do you make of that

i'm just trying to cut through the hype.

 

if i were to go abroad and try the 3,krathom,thc and cbd,i may  at the very least be able to reduce the amount of gabaaapentin and amitripilene i'm taking.

 

or is even that much falling for the hype.

 

There are a lot of anecdotal reports of CBD oil being beneficial in some people with fibromyalgia. Research is ongoing and there is not yet anything conclusive, and for reasons unknown it seems to vary by individual.  In the west, many Fibromyalgia specialists do prescribe it and it seems to have a good safety margin. If I suffered from fibromyalgia I would probably seek a legal means of trying CBD oil.

 

Kratom on the other hand does have some serious risks. See https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm584970.htm

 

 

[chiangrai]

yes,and the only legal way to get cbd is to move to a country where it is legal at least

until Thailand gets it self organized.

You say that cbd products have to be registered with the Thai fda first.then what happens.where will they be on sale.

 

I am not getting my hopes up but I may go to india for a few months and see if it helps.

Thank you for your time,

 

[fitfalang]

CBD oil is already available from Thai online stores and pages selling it on Facebook in all forms. I won't post any links as I'm not sure about its legal status (respecting the forum rules) but they can easily be found with a quick google search. It seems that CBD oil is not at least considered same as selling actual cannabis, which will probably still take some time before becoming available for medical use. 

 

I wonder if CBD oil is considered different by legal terms compared to THC, as it doesn't have any psychoactive properties? 

[NCC1701A]

i don't now anything about this but do these products cause you to test positive for cannabis? 

[fitfalang]

1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

i don't now anything about this but do these products cause you to test positive for cannabis? 

Drug tests would test for THC, not CBD so the answer is no. Although in theory, if the CBD oil had trace amounts of THC left in it, one could test positive. However, considering the amounts present it would be highly unlikely. 

[Sheryl]

CBD oil is currently classed the same as other cannabis products under Thai law. The classification is ismply "cannabis" and applies to all cannabis products withotu distinction.

 

People have been recently arrested for possessing it.

[ElephantEgo]

On Friday, the Royal Gazette published two announcements on marijuana and hemp, effective retroactively on Aug 27.

 

Anyone that can read the law in the link in the article: please tell us what is going on? The BKK Post article is not very detailed...

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1740099/authorities-warn-ganja-hemp-still-illegal

[roamer]

On 8/31/2019 at 4:36 PM, JakeR said:

On Friday, the Royal Gazette published two announcements on marijuana and hemp, effective retroactively on Aug 27.

 

Anyone that can read the law in the link in the article: please tell us what is going on? The BKK Post article is not very detailed...

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1740099/authorities-warn-ganja-hemp-still-illegal

The Thai text of the announcement is also not detailed and does not really differ from the link above. Having said that, there is a much better link here where they have explored the meaning of the announcement.

 

https://www.bbc.com/thai/thailand-49550483

 

At the end of the day this is about preparation for separating hemp from marijuana for legal purposes possibly, or possibly not, for licensing. As Sheryl states, anything derived from cannabis is illegal. They have exempted CBD of a certain purity but this exemption only applies to locally made products by licensed producers, when and if licenses are granted. They have confirmed there are no exemptions for imported products so therefore CBD oil is still illegal.

Edited September 5, 2019 by roamer
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