UK parliament very likely to consider new Brexit referendum - Hammond

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

So you think another referendum should only give the option to accept the eu/may brino deal, and if that brino deal is rejected by the electorate we automatically remain?

You can have only 1 option, of course: remain. 

 

45 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The May deal is an EU deal. We need a good deal for all sides. Then there can be consensus. Amen.

Ok, make it two options:

- remain 

- impasse forever 

[ThaiPauly]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

So what happens if neither Leave or Remain get the super majority?

 

1   Does the UK then revert to the original referendum result?

2   Go back to TMs plan that has already been rejected?

3   Automatically leave on a no deal?

4 or more ?????

The Government Office working on the "NO Deal" scenario was shut down a couple of days ago ....I have no idea why when if we can't agree a deal what is the other option besides another referendum?

[jesimps]

17 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

He is stating the obvious really. Other then to a blind right wing Brexiteer it is obvious that only a second referendum will resolve the issue.  Hopefully this time it will be based on facts rather than fear mongering and free of bribes to the DUP.  This time it needs to ask the question to voters do you agree with the Brexit agreement as currently negotiated Terms or not ? A No vote should automatically trigger the revocation of Article 50 to ensure no further ambiguity.

The only people who want another referendum are sore-loser remainers. How about we have a rerun of last years cup final, I didn't support the winners. The boat race as well. Or how about a rerun of the last general election? Or the world cup final? All Hamilton's grand prix wins, I think Vettel should've been champion driver. 

Sound ridiculous? Well that's how remainers screaming for a second referendum sound to the people who won the democratic vote three years ago. If the government were to carry out the democratic will of the majority of the people there wouldn't be any Brexit problem.

If there is a second referendum and the remain side win, do you honestly think that people won't start demanding a third vote? It could go on forever. That's why it was stated at the time of the referendum that it would be a once only vote and the choice was leave or remain. Leave won in case you didn't notice.

Edited April 13, 2019 by jesimps

[SheungWan]

10 minutes ago, jesimps said:

The only people who want another referendum are sore-loser remainers. How about we have a rerun of last years cup final, I didn't support the winners. The boat race as well. Or how about a rerun of the last general election? Or the world cup final? All Hamilton's grand prix wins, I think Vettel should've been champion driver. 

Sound ridiculous? Well that's how remainers screaming for a second referendum sound to the people who won the democratic vote three years ago. If the government were to carry out the democratic will of the majority of the people there wouldn't be any Brexit problem.

If there is a second referendum and the remain side win, do you honestly think that people won't start demanding a third vote? It could go on forever. That's why it was stated at the time of the referendum that it would be a once only vote and the choice was leave or remain. Leave won in case you didn't notice.

Hard Brexit didn't win though.

[SheungWan]

22 minutes ago, ThaiPauly said:

The Government Office working on the "NO Deal" scenario was shut down a couple of days ago ....I have no idea why when if we can't agree a deal what is the other option besides another referendum?

I'm hoping for a No-Drivel deal.

[SheungWan]

35 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You can have only 1 option, of course: remain. 

 

Ok, make it two options:

- remain 

- impasse forever 

I'm for impasse. Sends the Brexiteers round the bend.

[Kiwiken]

And if Britain was to have another referendum and the vote was 50/50 what then?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Kiwiken said:

And if Britain was to have another referendum and the vote was 50/50 what then?

What was it Farage said about 48/52?

 

 

Edited April 13, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[Kiwiken]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hard Brexit didn't win though.

There is always a third alternative to a referendum "Civil War" Good for the soul and clears the air for generations

[Kadilo]

23 minutes ago, jesimps said:

The only people who want another referendum are sore-loser remainers. 

Wrong. I wanted to leave now I don’t with the sort of compromise they are cooking up. 

Next.........

Edited April 13, 2019 by Kadilo

[transam]

Folk will now vote remain as their iPhone battery charger may be affected...????

[rocketman777]

18 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

He is stating the obvious really. Other then to a blind right wing Brexiteer it is obvious that only a second referendum will resolve the issue.  Hopefully this time it will be based on facts rather than fear mongering and free of bribes to the DUP.  This time it needs to ask the question to voters do you agree with the Brexit agreement as currently negotiated Terms or not ? A No vote should automatically trigger the revocation of Article 50 to ensure no further ambiguity.

This the problem with a 2nd Referendum - can there be an agreement as to what should be asked.

Your proposal, in my view, is totally out of the question.

 

If there were to be a 2nd Referendum the questions should be:

 

A  Leave the EU with Mays Deal

B  Leave the EU under World trade rules.

 

 

Revoking Article 50 should not be put on a ballot as the original referendum voted to leave with a 17.5 million majority and is binding.

 

Edited April 13, 2019 by rocketman777

[Disaantri]

Think you'll find the majority was 1,269,501 votes ...... 

[evadgib]

27 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hard Brexit didn't win though.

...yet!

 

Edited April 13, 2019 by evadgib

[evadgib]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What was it Farage said about 48/52?

 

Edited April 13, 2019 by evadgib

[Thingamabob]

18 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

He is stating the obvious really. Other then to a blind right wing Brexiteer it is obvious that only a second referendum will resolve the issue.  Hopefully this time it will be based on facts rather than fear mongering and free of bribes to the DUP.  This time it needs to ask the question to voters do you agree with the Brexit agreement as currently negotiated Terms or not ? A No vote should automatically trigger the revocation of Article 50 to ensure no further ambiguity.

Rubbish. This is now a fraudulent exercise by chicken shit euro grovellers to undermine the result of the referendum.

[welovesundaysatspace]

28 minutes ago, Kiwiken said:

There is always a third alternative to a referendum "Civil War" Good for the soul and clears the air for generations

The spoonies would love it because they have nothing to lose anyways. 

 

17 minutes ago, rocketman777 said:

 

Revoking Article 50 should not be put on a ballot as the original referendum voted to leave with a 17.5 million majority and is binding.

No, it isn’t. 

[Thingamabob]

Indications are that Leave would beat Remain by a significantly bigger margin than it did in the 2016 referendum.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

I am not actually sure whose deal it is. It is neither a deal that suits the right nor the left, the leavers or the remainers. Reading from many of the European press reports it appears many in the EU don't agree with the deal either. Irrespective of whose side you support the entire process is a shambles.

It's an eu/may 'deal'.....  designed to force a remain result....

[Thingamabob]

17 hours ago, Basil B said:

According to the TVF Brexiteers they are 17.4 million and do not have to get out of bed to protest, sign petitions, march, etc.

 

But they should check they have not died in there sleep. ????

Pathetic.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, ThaiPauly said:

The Government Office working on the "NO Deal" scenario was shut down a couple of days ago ....I have no idea why when if we can't agree a deal what is the other option besides another referendum?

Precisely, the time was supposed to be spent on preparing for the possibiltity of no deal as well as giving time for the brit. govt. to accept the eu/may deal.....

 

It's now even more obvious that our govt. has absolutely no intention of supporting the leave referendum result.

 

Hopefully, they'll pay the price at the next GE.

 

 

 

 

[rocketman777]

33 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The spoonies would love it because they have nothing to lose anyways. 

 

No, it isn’t. 

Yes in law you are correct , the British Parliament is sovereign. But in principal it is binding  the people were lead to believe this to be the case by their slimy underhanded politicians

 

 

"It is time for the British people to have their say," he said. "It is time to settle this European question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision."

David , waste of space , Cameron

Edited April 13, 2019 by rocketman777

[Disaantri]

34 minutes ago, rocketman777 said:

If there were to be a 2nd Referendum the questions should be:

 

A  Leave the EU with Mays Deal

B  Leave the EU under World trade rules.

 

If so, how do you propose to remain committed to the GFA, maintain a border, probably be forced to agree tarrif-free trade WTO, thus losing any competetive advantage with other countries on leaving the EU, and the disadvantage to our agri-food and farming sector competing in the EU CAP subsidised sector?

[joecoolfrog]

I fail to see how a second referendum  solves the problem , whatever the result the country will still be divided.

 

[Antonymous]

"Who is in control of our country: The people? The politicians or the elite behind them?"

 

Steven Woolf MEP, answers the question succinctly and eloquently.

 

Short, good and well worth a listen.

 

https://youtu.be/pMW5RijZP_k

[joecoolfrog]

19 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Precisely, the time was supposed to be spent on preparing for the possibiltity of no deal as well as giving time for the brit. govt. to accept the eu/may deal.....

 

It's now even more obvious that our govt. has absolutely no intention of supporting the leave referendum result.

 

Hopefully, they'll pay the price at the next GE.

 

 

 

 

Mrs May's deal did support the referendum result , it was scuppered by conservatives who refused to accept reality and a labour party who had no intention of accepting Brexit at all.

So exactly who do you think will get punished ?

[Scutty]

Brexit is finished thank God . It was only a good idea for rich businessmen like Farage who could have used the lack of supervision from the EU to roll back workers rights to the 1800s and destroy the environment for their profit as they wanted . Bolderdash to them . New referendum will bury that particular pile of crap but watch out for the nazis in the wings like Mogg.

[Scutty]

9 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

I fail to see how a second referendum  solves the problem , whatever the result the country will still be divided.

 

I predict the country will vote overwhelmingly to remain now the catastrophe that it is is clear to the public .

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Scutty said:

I predict the country will vote overwhelmingly to remain now the catastrophe that it is is clear to the public .

That the Germans won....?   ????

[rocketman777]

10 minutes ago, Disaantri said:

If so, how do you propose to remain committed to the GFA, maintain a border, probably be forced to agree tarrif-free trade WTO, thus losing any competetive advantage with other countries on leaving the EU, and the disadvantage to our agri-food and farming sector competing in the EU CAP subsidised sector?

We will argue with the WTO that Ireland is a special case and in the interest of peace that border need to be tarrif free.  As to agricultural policy we need to put up tariffs against  the EU butter/ cheese mountains and Milk lakes and redevelop our own agri-food and farming sector again. So that British farmers can be profitable and the UK less dependent on food imports