Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Consciousness creates form, not the other way around.  Yes, I understand I'm speaking to the wall here.  But do keep your hopes up.

Hey, I'm not a wall, but for the rest I can agree.

Actually, if one imagines consciousness as an entity beyond time, one could say that thought and dreams and matter exist simultaneously.

Nice to hear your thoughts again, @Tippaporn.

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

It's not "my/our" hope...just the facts of the progress. Whether it's ever accomplished matters not to me. Why does even the possibility trouble you so? 

 

Forget the wall...talk to the ????️

LOL.  I've been gone so long I'd have thought you would of welcomed me home with open arms.

 

O.K., I'll talk to the hand (same same idiom).  So I'll expect no reply from you as you've indicated that you're not going to listen.

 

Progress towards what?  Humans creating life, which they don't understand in the first place?  Is the reasoning that if we could create life we'd then understand it?  I dunno.  It would be interesting to know what you mean by progress and to what end you expect that progress to take man.

 

The possibility doesn't trouble me at all since I know that it's an impossibility.  I comment on it only as my attempt to steer folks away from ridiculous ideas which cause people to wander down paths leading to nowhere.

[Skeptic7]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  I've been gone so long I'd have thought you would of welcomed me home with open arms.

 

O.K., I'll talk to the hand (same same idiom).  So I'll expect no reply from you as you've indicated that you're not going to listen.

 

Progress towards what?  Humans creating life, which they don't understand in the first place?  Is the reasoning that if we could create life we'd then understand it?  I dunno.  It would be interesting to know what you mean by progress and to what end you expect that progress to take man.

 

The possibility doesn't trouble me at all since I know that it's an impossibility.  I comment on it only as my attempt to steer folks away from ridiculous ideas which cause people to wander down paths leading to nowhere.

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[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hey, I'm not a wall, but for the rest I can agree.

Actually, if one imagines consciousness as an entity beyond time, one could say that thought and dreams and matter exist simultaneously.

Nice to hear your thoughts again, @Tippaporn.

I know you're certainly not a wall, mauGR1.  5555555

 

Imagine our reality as a camouflage reality created by consciousness (us) in which, among other effects, now is experienced in consecutive increments to give the illusion of time.  If you think about it are we ever in the past or will we ever be in the future?  We are always in the now moment.  Time is an illusion, which means that everything exists simultaneously.  Just to reiterate, even though we thoroughly believe in and accept the concept time we are never anywhere other than in the present.  Time (our version of it) is simply a way to organize experience in a different fashion.

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

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You couldn't resist acknowledging yourself, could you?  LOL

[mauGR1]

41 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Progress towards what? 

Good question.

A 1000 years ago they could fool the masses in the name of god.

Nowadays they fool the masses in the name of science.

Yep, big deal ????

[Tagged]

23 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Good question.

A 1000 years ago they could fool the masses in the name of god.

Nowadays they fool the masses in the name of science.

Yep, big deal ????

What is wrong with science? Why are you so against science? You life is filled with things science have created from you where born to you die. Not o e day will pass without you somehow use, feel, touch or see something science have created. 

 

Even a creator would have or had used science to create everything ????????????

[Tippaporn]

On 9/11/2020 at 6:53 PM, VincentRJ said:

Well done, Martin Hairer. Congratulations! We will be excited to see what practical applications your new theory of 'regularity structures' have. ????

 

Perhaps from now on, we will have more accurate predictions of future changes in climate. ????

 

One of the reason for skepticism about anthropogenic-caused climate change is that climate models in the past have failed miserably in their predictions of future climate changes, due to the chaotic and complex nature of climate, the mathematical limitations of the models, and the inaccuracy of much of the climate data from the past.

 

Your new theory might also help biologists create a completely new and original form of life in the laboratory, much to the dismay of those who believe in a 'Creator God'. ????

How does unpredictability figure into models for predicting future changes in climate?

 

We've already created new and original forms of life.  Maybe not in laboratories but certainly in hospitals.

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, Tagged said:

What is wrong with science? Why are you so against science? You life is filled with things science have created from you where born to you die. Not o e day will pass without you somehow use, feel, touch or see something science have created. 

 

Even a creator would have or hacdd used science to create everything ????????????

Really, you should learn to read between the lines.

I've got nothing against science, as I stated repeatedly, science is God revealed.

I'm against the fraudulent use of knowledge to enslave the people, got it ?

Now I expect to be called rude again my dear.

[Tagged]

48 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Really, you should learn to read between the lines.

I've got nothing against science, as I stated repeatedly, science is God revealed.

I'm against the fraudulent use of knowledge to enslave the people, got it ?

Now I expect to be called rude again my dear.

Though life ????, and Im just teasing you on this one ????

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

 

A 1000 years ago they could fool the masses in the name of god.

Nowadays they fool the masses in the name of science.

 

Even the individual, pretending to "know better", can be "fooled" . 

"Fooled" being a relative concept. 

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Even the individual, pretending to "know better", can be "fooled" . 

"Fooled" being a relative concept. 

Everything is relative, except the absolute, but that's just my personal opinion ☺

[Peter Denis]

11 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Even the individual, pretending to "know better", can be "fooled" . 

"Fooled" being a relative concept. 

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

~ Soren Kierkegaard

[VincentRJ]

13 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

How does unpredictability figure into models for predicting future changes in climate?

It makes the models worthless, in relation to that which is unpredictable. That which is unpredictable is unpredictable, by definition. The validity of a scientific theory depends upon the accuracy of any predicted outcomes that are related to that theory or rely on that theory.

 

We've already created new and original forms of life.  Maybe not in laboratories but certainly in hospitals.

 

We need to address the precise definition of 'new and original'. In a sense, every new-born child is 'new and original'. Every individual is at least slightly different from another individual. Even so-called identical twins are not completely identical.

 

All life forms are in a continuous process of change, or evolution, but not all forms of life change at the same rate. The flu virus can change within a single season so that last year's vaccines are no longer effective. Would you describe that 'evolved' flu virus as 'new and original'?
 

[Tagged]

59 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

~ Soren Kierkegaard

We need more people with education involving theology and philosophy! Learn more about human understanding of complex thinking, and how easy we are to be manipulated.

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, Tagged said:

 how easy we are to be manipulated.

Many will agree that there is manipulation ongoing.

A very few, if not none,  will personally acknowledge they are, or may be.

The others, yes;

but  themselves, no way.

 

 

[Tagged]

10 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Many will agree that there is manipulation ongoing.

A very few, if not none,  will personally acknowledge they are, or may be.

The others, yes;

but  themselves, no way.

 

 

Always dangerous to believe and act like everyone else is more stupid than your self. Then you will never learn or be curious enough to make new experiences. 

 

We have seen it often in this thread, where people claim "my opinion, or my experiences is more true or more real than yours", therefor ....... Well, Needless to continue we know what it is all about now. Awerness of our own EGO is the key and solution for most world problems.

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[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tagged said:

What is wrong with science? Why are you so against science? You life is filled with things science have created from you where born to you die. Not o e day will pass without you somehow use, feel, touch or see something science have created. 

 

Even a creator would have or had used science to create everything ????????????

Indeed the creator used science but then the creator created science.

 

Anyway, science is only as good as the scientist. I've personally known scientists that were a waste of space.

The scientists that discovered the ozone hole were useful, the scientists that discovered "dark matter" have made zero difference to my life.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Many will agree that there is manipulation ongoing.

A very few, if not none,  will personally acknowledge they are, or may be.

The others, yes;

but  themselves, no way.

 

 

I've been manipulated many times by women. That's pretty common for men. If science invented a way for men to not be manipulated by women, I'd pay for that.

 

I was even manipulated into going off topic to answer that deflection about science which is nothing to do with the subject, IMO.

Edited September 30, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/11/2020 at 11:53 PM, VincentRJ said:

Well done, Martin Hairer. Congratulations! We will be excited to see what practical applications your new theory of 'regularity structures' have. ????

 

Perhaps from now on, we will have more accurate predictions of future changes in climate. 

Not possible IMO. Another Krakatoa or a large asteroid hitting the planet would change everything, and nature is never static.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

All life forms are in a continuous process of change, or evolution, but not all forms of life change at the same rate. The flu virus can change within a single season so that last year's vaccines are no longer effective. Would you describe that 'evolved' flu virus as 'new and original'?

The flu would be a "new" variant.

I'm "new" as compared to some years ago as every cell in my body has been replaced since then.

The creator must have been really clever by any measurement, in fact so clever no human can ever understand God or how everything was created, though human science may have a very small inkling of very basic elements of life the universe and everything.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not possible IMO. Another Krakatoa or a large asteroid hitting the planet would change everything, and nature is never static.

Yep, solar flares are a possibility too, and surely the earth's crust is not as stable as we'd like to believe.

[mauGR1]

22 hours ago, Tagged said:

Even a creator would have or had used science to create everything ????????????

Recently I came to the conclusion that science, intended as exact knowledge of all the laws of the universe, is God.

It doesn't really make sense to me to imagine God as a human like entity, but rather like the sum of all the forms of life which we can observe, plus millions of forms of life which we can't observe with a physical eye.

(... but in theory we can observe invisible forms of life with the eyes of the mind...)

[Tagged]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've been manipulated many times by women. That's pretty common for men. If science invented a way for men to not be manipulated by women, I'd pay for that.

 

I was even manipulated into going off topic to answer that deflection about science which is nothing to do with the subject, IMO.

Can it be some people manipulate others no matter what sex they are? I manipulate people, most people do, and most if not all people get manipulated on  daily basis.

[Rambo69]

I attended Christian schools but I was never a practicing Christian. I recently got interested in Christianity and the Church again as I can clearly see Atheism is leading on a way straight to hell

[VincentRJ]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The flu would be a "new" variant.

Agreed! However, the big question is, can one think of any form of life which is truly both new and original?

 

Is it more precise to claim that all forms of life are a variant of some close form of life that preceded it?

 

I'm "new" as compared to some years ago as every cell in my body has been replaced since then.

 

It's often claimed that every cell in the human body is replaced during every 7 to 10 year period, but I think this is a very broad approximation. The lifetime of different cells in the human body varies enormously, and some cells last a lot longer than 10 years. Many brain cells can apparently last a lifetime, and even longer.

 

"it’s even possible that your brain cells might have longer maximum lifespans than you do. In 2013, researchers transplanted neurons from old mice into the brains of longer-lived rats and found that the cells were still healthy after living for two whole mouse lifespans!"
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/what-cells-in-the-human-body-live-the-longest/

 

"brain cells typically last an entire lifetime (neurons in the cerebral cortex, for example, are not replaced when they die."
https://www.livescience.com/33179-does-human-body-replace-cells-seven-years.html#:~:text=Colon cells have it rough,not replaced when they die

 

However, there is the concept of 'neurogenesis'. For example, during periods of long fasting there is evidence that the brain will create new neurons, in the interest of survival, to help the body better identify sources of food.
 

[Tagged]

9 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

I attended Christian schools but I was never a practicing Christian. I recently got interested in Christianity and the Church again as I can clearly see Atheism is leading on a way straight to hell

So the road to hell is pawed with atheists, and not socalled christian and muslims? What is atheists doing to deserve such a credit? 

[Rambo69]

9 hours ago, Tagged said:

So the road to hell is pawed with atheists, and not socalled christian and muslims? What is atheists doing to deserve such a credit? 

Muslims don't go to heaven or hell, they go to Jannah or Jahannam.

Do you think the road to heaven is pawed with atheists?

 

 

[luckyluke]

10 hours ago, Rambo69 said:

Atheism is leading on a way straight to hell

 

Fair enough to believe this. 

 

Fair enough we all still are allowed to make our own choice of "believing" or not;

 

knowing that  some will think that some choices will have as result to "going to hell". 

 

[Tagged]

33 minutes ago, Rambo69 said:

Muslims don't go to heaven or hell, they go to Jannah or Jahannam.

Do you think the road to heaven is pawed with atheists?

 

 

Hehe, I must laugh, Abraham family warship the same god, the same basics jews, christians and muslims believe in. One god with paradise and hell. 

 

That was not my question you just answered, but I do not believe in a heavenly paradise or hellfire after death. I believe hell and paradise is now, right here and now, and it is up to you to do something about it for yourself to make it the best you can where you are and with what you have.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Tagged