CGW Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: So what is the solution then? Is there a solution, look at history where civilisations have disappeared, who is to say we will be any different, too many people in too small an area, growing crops that the land cannot sustain, destroying flood plains and forests, we hardly work with the land, or do you see it different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, CGW said: Is there a solution, look at history where civilisations have disappeared, who is to say we will be any different, too many people in too small an area, growing crops that the land cannot sustain, destroying flood plains and forests, we hardly work with the land, or do you see it different. Agree with you. The whole world is over populated and unfortunately neither governments or science will find a solution. Nature will and it be bad. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 4 hours ago, toenail said: ...ok, I will be the old Scrooge. When the water reservoirs are going low & there is this awareness before Songkron- why have 3+ days of wasting water? Limit it to one day in the big cities. Mr E Scrooge Do you really believe the amount of water used at Songkran makes any difference? look at the reservoir levels - there's no difference to normal consumption, a lot of the water thrown ends up on the land anyway, the reservoirs would lose more on a hot day in dissipation. At the end of the day Its all recycled anyway, there are no "new" water supplies forthcoming. ???? To "fund" the Songkran water madness how would you feel if the Thais imposed a water restriction on Farang, no swimming pools, no car washing, no garden watering, maybe you would be as outraged as they are at your suggestion they curtail their usage ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaiLai Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Mr E Scrooge Do you really believe the amount of water used at Songkran makes any difference? look at the reservoir levels - there's no difference to normal consumption, a lot of the water thrown ends up on the land anyway, the reservoirs would lose more on a hot day in dissipation. At the end of the day Its all recycled anyway, there are no "new" water supplies forthcoming. [emoji106] To "fund" the Songkran water madness how would you feel if the Thais imposed a water restriction on Farang, no swimming pools, no car washing, no garden watering, maybe you would be as outraged as they are at your suggestion they curtail their usage [emoji846] Thais don’t have pools / don’t water their gardens / don’t wash their cars ?? News to me but whatever you say buttercup. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, CGW said: Mr E Scrooge Do you really believe the amount of water used at Songkran makes any difference? look at the reservoir levels - there's no difference to normal consumption, a lot of the water thrown ends up on the land anyway, the reservoirs would lose more on a hot day in dissipation. At the end of the day Its all recycled anyway, there are no "new" water supplies forthcoming. ???? To "fund" the Songkran water madness how would you feel if the Thais imposed a water restriction on Farang, no swimming pools, no car washing, no garden watering, maybe you would be as outraged as they are at your suggestion they curtail their usage ???? Songkran just re-enforces the belief that you can leave leaky taps/faucets leaking and ignore all other situations that waste water. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 So exactly how do you prudently throw a bucket of water at somebody ? Ah well, it's a question of priorities. Sanook must come first and everything else must make shift. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, CGW said: Is there a solution, look at history where civilisations have disappeared, who is to say we will be any different, too many people in too small an area, growing crops that the land cannot sustain, destroying flood plains and forests, we hardly work with the land, or do you see it different. I think that the solution to the problem that affects the whole world currently might be closer to happening than we actually think. The total financial collapse of the world's economy due to the debt burden. Caused by Banks, Corporate Greed and Governments. Then after we finish shooting all the greedy bastards that caused it we will be able to address the issues facing the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: I think that the solution to the problem that affects the whole world currently might be closer to happening than we actually think. The total financial collapse of the world's economy due to the debt burden. Caused by Banks, Corporate Greed and Governments. Then after we finish shooting all the greedy bastards that caused it we will be able to address the issues facing the world. Pretty much my own thoughts, we have taken a wrong turn led by the wrong "people" trying to justify the mess we have is impossible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, CGW said: Pretty much my own thoughts, we have taken a wrong turn led by the wrong "people" trying to justify the mess we have is impossible.... Correct. In 2008 they kicked the can down the road. Wall St or the City can bail out a hedge fund. The Central banks can bail out Wall St or the City. Who is going to bail out the Central banks? It's not only the US. The worlds debt burden is huge and lets not even start on derivatives. It's closer than we think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeekendRaider Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 hours ago, khwaibah said: Keep building those high speed trains for the elite.???? 14 grams per passenger kilometer for trains..... versus 285 per passenger kilometer for commercial aircraft. the first and easiest baby step will be air travel, not trains. carbon. with a 15 year latency to it’s full on climate effect, some of which persists for more than 100 years. if you are going to crap on something... start with air travel. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racket Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Start by limiting Songkran to 1 DAY for the whole country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Who cares for the country's weak infrastructure that has been on the decline since decades ? What has the current governance done and what have the previous chaps in power done ? Nothing perhaps ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nsp64 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, nickstav said: The amount of water wasted during Songkran is only a drop in the bucket (pun intended). Year round conservation is necessary...not gonna happen. But its a start. I see hoses constantly running all day so they can assault some poor passer by. It would make a small difference. Every little bit helps Edited April 15, 2019 by Nsp64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, JaiLai said: It’s just as well they’re not wasting water on a stupid event....... erm hold on - yes they are! It takes 2000 liters of water to raise a kilogram of rice. That's enough to keep my entire neighborhood of kids entertained through the whole Songkran holiday. So I forgo one bowl of rice to let the kids be kids. Lots of good safety and sanity reasons to modify some of the Songkran abuses. Conserving water isn't one of them. Edited April 15, 2019 by impulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickstart Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Do what they do in the UK if farmers want to extract water from a public source, ie dams rivers etc, you must have an extraction licence, use local government officials to check that the law is being enforced. It would control a lot of water usage, especially flood irrigation methods that are not efficient and use a lot of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisperone Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 The article has to be Fake News. Wasn't it about a month ago, the water commissioner or whoever said don't worry, there will be plenty of water. Be Happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, wisperone said: The article has to be Fake News. Wasn't it about a month ago, the water commissioner or whoever said don't worry, there will be plenty of water. Be Happy. I remember a "plenty of water" article not longer than 1 week ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Rains forecast to come late and to be lite. Things may scrape by this year but next year could be terrible. It's time the Thai government brought in foreign water management consultants to come up with a plan to improve water retainment during the rainy season, especially during heavy rain flood years. With so much rain there is no reason to go through the dry season with drought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabarin Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ulic said: Rains forecast to come late and to be lite. Things may scrape by this year but next year could be terrible. It's time the Thai government brought in foreign water management consultants to come up with a plan to improve water retainment during the rainy season, especially during heavy rain flood years. With so much rain there is no reason to go through the dry season with drought. Dutch offered and tried countless times already, Thais say to know better. Edited April 15, 2019 by tabarin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Glad i read this ,must water the grass tomorrowSent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, kickstart said: use local government officials to check that the law is being enforced In Thailand? Good joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tabarin said: Dutch offered and tried countless times already, Thais say to know better. I'm always amazed at the people who think that experts from a developed economy, in the Great White (and fricking cold) North, wrestling with the problems of sea water encroachment, are also experts in agricultural irrigation in the tropics, where the per capita GDP is less than 1/5 of what it is "back home". Not to mention that it wasn't "the Dutch". It was corporations, offering services for a fee. A big, fat western fee. Edited April 15, 2019 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonobojt Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Animal agriculture uses a lot of water, all those billions of cows, pigs, chickens and ducks need water to drink, also need water to grow crops to feed those billions of animals, eating meat is destroying the planet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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