Rent dispute Brit to be deported

[Suradit69]

17 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

obviously not all there..

And soon to be not all here.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, soistalker said:

My neighbor has a scorpion door (Google it), which he said is the door of choice if Russian gangsters. It is impenetrable. Also, living on a high floor is a plus.

 

In what way is living on a high floor a plus?  You'll end up starving to death like this guy.  As for the doors, they are only as strong as the walls they are attached to, the Russian mafia may habe reinforced concrete frames installed, merely bolting one to thai 10cm hollow blocks will push out with a claw hammer.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

The captain of the flight decides whether a passenger should be allowed to travel on the aircraft.

According to the World Health Organization, this decision is based on whether the passenger "is fit to travel, needs medical attention or presents a danger to other passengers and crew or to the safety of the aircraft." If any of those conditions are met, the traveler is refused passage.

The airline may have more restrictive requirements than the WHO.

https://traveltips.usatoday.com/airline-right-refuse-sick-passenger-109144.html

 

 

They just handcuff them to the seat and sit a police officer next to them, it happens every day with flights from UK to most African countries, they're not too concerned with health, we have some die every year.

[P Funk]

Smash and grab.....

[raccos21]

He needs fish & chips and a few chill beers, he will be ok. I hope he didn't show up again after 5 months with new passport with identity.

[Captain 776]

GOOD......I fully support this move.

 

Having lived and worked in countless countries in my 47 yr Oil n Gas career, I can attest to the point.......we are guests of the country we are in, whether on a 1-2 week holiday or a 2 yr work assignment, we are guests.......act appropriately.

[Old Croc]

11 hours ago, LongTang said:

19 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

Why wasn't this resolved sooner from the front door, I'm aware it was barricaded but law enforcement could, should have acted at the beginning. They new he was on overstay and did nothing. Ugly it may be but a pepper spray or tear gas canister would have done it. 

 

If i recall correctly they actually waited for his visa to expire before breaking in, as it was already established that he suffers from some mental condition.

They wanted to give him a chance to evict himself without using force and that is actually somthing to be praised.

His visa expired several weeks ago and they did make one attempt to get him out, but they aborted it when they considered he was likely to suicide from a back window.

This time they came in that way. 

[Old Croc]

Airlines won't normally refuse deportations based on character, but they can, and often do, insist on security escorts.    

[Mark mark]

11 hours ago, LongTang said:

 

If i recall correctly they actually waited for his visa to expire before breaking in, as it was already established that he suffers from some mental condition.

They wanted to give him a chance to evict himself without using force and that is actually somthing to be praised.

 

Yes the Thais are considerate people, an a lot of things ...Political like ? ....

 

Remember how many months did Taksin's red Shirts, stay blocking up two or was it three major Financial and shopping precincts in Bangkok ? 7 Mths was it, or was it only 3 ? I forget, but it WAS a HELL OF A LONG TIME to let the center of you number one city go for !!! ... 

 

How long do you think that they would have lasted in Martin Place Sydney, or the Flinders / Collins st areas in Melbournie ? ... or North Terrace / King William st up to the mall in Adelaide ? .... If they managed to stay there even 24 hrs they would be doing well I think !!! ...

 

Or the recent reasonably message ... Climate change people in London, they made 7 days I think, witch was really good going !!!

[Oziex1]

44 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Airlines won't normally refuse deportations based on character, but they can, and often do, insist on security escorts.    

Yes and paramedics a relative of mine is a paramedic, worked for the British government for a while sitting with deportees. 

[Kieran00001]

19 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

Yes the Thais are considerate people, an a lot of things ...Political like ? ....

 

Remember how many months did Taksin's red Shirts, stay blocking up two or was it three major Financial and shopping precincts in Bangkok ? 7 Mths was it, or was it only 3 ? I forget, but it WAS a HELL OF A LONG TIME to let the center of you number one city go for !!! ... 

 

How long do you think that they would have lasted in Martin Place Sydney, or the Flinders / Collins st areas in Melbournie ? ... or North Terrace / King William st up to the mall in Adelaide ? .... If they managed to stay there even 24 hrs they would be doing well I think !!! ...

 

Or the recent reasonably message ... Climate change people in London, they made 7 days I think, witch was really good going !!!

 

Nah, just look at the London riots, the police retreated and left them to loot for three days, nothing they could do as there were thousands of them, now times that number by ten and arm them with military weapons and see what chance they have.  It had nothing to do with tolerance, they were well organised and used the armies own tactics against them, it just took them those months to think of a plan.

[RJRS1301]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

They just handcuff them to the seat and sit a police officer next to them, it happens every day with flights from UK to most African countries, they're not too concerned with health, we have some die every year.

I do not think that handcuffs are allowed (except under extreme circumstances) on commercial flights in case of an emergency.

 

[Mark mark]

17 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Nah, just look at the London riots, the police retreated and left them to loot for three days, nothing they could do as there were thousands of them, now times that number by ten and arm them with military weapons and see what chance they have.  It had nothing to do with tolerance, they were well organised and used the armies own tactics against them, it just took them those months to think of a plan.

Yes, I believe that in London there was not enough cells to hole them in any way, as with every thing, the Cops have down sized the number of cells !!! .... Yes probably right in the Thai case also. .... Lucky our Auzie Protesters, are pretty loose, and totally un-Armed Right !!! 

 

[Kieran00001]

30 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I do not think that handcuffs are allowed (except under extreme circumstances) on commercial flights in case of an emergency.

 

 

Definately allowed, the US routinely uses leg shackles in deportations.

 

Here is an extract from the EU guidance on how to avoid killing those being deported, no mention of a risk due to the handcuffs themselves, just the measures taken to put them on.

 

34. The question of the use of force and means of restraint arises from the moment the detainee concerned is taken out of the cell in which he/she is being held pending deportation (whether that cell is located on airport premises, in a holding facility, in a prison or a police station). The techniques used by escort personnel to immobilise the person to whom means of physical restraint – such as steel handcuffs or plastic strips – are to be applied deserve special attention. In most cases, 
the detainee will be in full possession of his/her physical faculties and able to resist handcuffing violently. In cases where resistance is encountered, escort staff usually immobilise the detainee completely on the ground, face down, in order to put on the handcuffs. Keeping a detainee in such a position, in particular with escort staff putting their weight on various parts of the body (pressure on the ribcage, knees on the back, immobilisation of the neck) when the person concerned puts up a struggle, entails a risk of positional asphyxia2
.
There is a similar risk when a deportee, having been placed on a seat in the aircraft, struggles and the escort staff, by applying force, oblige him/her to bend forward, head between the knees, thus strongly compressing the ribcage. In some countries, the use of force to make the person concerned bend double in this way in the passenger seat is, as a rule, prohibited, this method of immobilisation being permitted only if it is absolutely indispensable in order to carry out a specific, brief, authorised operation, such as putting on, checking or taking off handcuffs, and only for the duration strictly necessary for this purpose.

[ttrd]

22 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

Why wasn't this resolved sooner from the front door, I'm aware it was barricaded but law enforcement could, should have acted at the beginning. They new he was on overstay and did nothing. Ugly it may be but a pepper spray or tear gas canister would have done it. 

What do you mean by earlier - its obviously that the landlord didnt report to the authorities as she should (TM30) when he moved in meaning the authorities didnt know where he was staying and based on that could not resolved it sooner … 

Edited May 4, 2019 by ttrd

[Peterbkk99]

I feel bad for this person and hope he gets well soon. Leaving this crazy country is a good start.

 

But to start with, I read in another article that the reason he locked himself was to protest the fact that his landlord would not give him a receipt. How hard is it to give your tenant a receipt? Is this too much to ask??? In which planet are we?

I find the landlord's refusal to give a simple receipt absolutely disgusting.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Peterbkk99

[Monkeyrobot]

Looks like he run out of food locked up for 4 months, wonder the LL did not cut the power and water??? 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Definately allowed, the US routinely uses leg shackles in deportations.

 

Here is an extract from the EU guidance on how to avoid killing those being deported, no mention of a risk due to the handcuffs themselves, just the measures taken to put them on.

 

34. The question of the use of force and means of restraint arises from the moment the detainee concerned is taken out of the cell in which he/she is being held pending deportation (whether that cell is located on airport premises, in a holding facility, in a prison or a police station). The techniques used by escort personnel to immobilise the person to whom means of physical restraint – such as steel handcuffs or plastic strips – are to be applied deserve special attention. In most cases, 
the detainee will be in full possession of his/her physical faculties and able to resist handcuffing violently. In cases where resistance is encountered, escort staff usually immobilise the detainee completely on the ground, face down, in order to put on the handcuffs. Keeping a detainee in such a position, in particular with escort staff putting their weight on various parts of the body (pressure on the ribcage, knees on the back, immobilisation of the neck) when the person concerned puts up a struggle, entails a risk of positional asphyxia2
.
There is a similar risk when a deportee, having been placed on a seat in the aircraft, struggles and the escort staff, by applying force, oblige him/her to bend forward, head between the knees, thus strongly compressing the ribcage. In some countries, the use of force to make the person concerned bend double in this way in the passenger seat is, as a rule, prohibited, this method of immobilisation being permitted only if it is absolutely indispensable in order to carry out a specific, brief, authorised operation, such as putting on, checking or taking off handcuffs, and only for the duration strictly necessary for this purpose.

I am only aware of the Australian/NZ requirements from many years ago of dealing with those under detention for either immigration cases or criminal. Airlines required restraints to be removed on boarding the aircraft.

[Jiggo]

20 hours ago, onera1961 said:

How did you think he could resolve the issue by locking up into the condo. I don't understand what goes on in the minds of people when they resort to such things. 

I don't think he did either, prejudgement at work again..

[Edwin Cameron]

By the looks of him,it looks like he has been delving into 'Yah Bah', I hope he will get some help.

[JimmyJ]

On 5/3/2019 at 12:15 PM, LongTang said:

 

If i recall correctly they actually waited for his visa to expire before breaking in, as it was already established that he suffers from some mental condition.

They wanted to give him a chance to evict himself without using force and that is actually somthing to be praised.

 

 

Exactly.

 

If this had occurred in the US the chances are excellent that he would have ended up killed or at the least bloody.

 

Perhaps this could have been effected earlier, but the Thai police couldn't have realized how long he would remain there (judging by his appearance, without food).

 

I commend the Thai police for treating him humanely.

[bristolgeoff]

No surprise at lest he get 4 mths free rent.but he made his own problems with what he done

[Blue bruce]

And his point was?????