Thai Medical Visa / Emergency

[Injured]

 I was in cambodia awaiting my barring order petition. I fell ill and was granted a Medical Visa by the Thai Embassy Cambodia. Plus, I had a no fly order by the doctor. And other documents required for the visa in backup. My petition was based on medical. Thai Immigration refused the Med Visa to enter Thailand due to the barring order. The Thai Embassy had no blacklist to stop a person on a barring order. With help from US Embassy, I made it back to the US. In bad shape having to fly 22 hours. 4 days after arrival, I suffered a stroke. I lost 1 Eye, paralyzed hand, limited walking, and some other problems. Probable cause to bring on the stroke. Limited medical care, lack of proper medicine, exhaustion, hypertension, excessive travel. I lost health due to physical damage due to Thai Immigration. 

They try to be a medical center.

Maybe they rather cater to runaways in the airport lounge.

 

[ukrules]

They don't care at all, why would they?

[PoorSucker]

The Thai embassy is part of the ministry of foreign affairs. 

Thai immigration is part of the royal Police. 

They don't share information. 

[NanLaew]

No matter what happens, never forget that it is always someone elses fault.

[NCC1701A]

3 hours ago, Injured said:

4 days after arrival, I suffered a stroke.

the best thing for you right now is to avoid all aggravation.

i hope you have someone to help you.

good luck.

[orchis]

Is this a different stroke from the one you reported on July 23? Take care.

[Caldera]

That's a bizarre story. I think it's unreasonable to expect that having a medical emergency overrules being barred from entering a country (any country for that matter).

[Injured]

Seems Thai Embassy thought it was worth it to issue the visa.

[Injured]

7 hours ago, Caldera said:

That's a bizarre story. I think it's unreasonable to expect that having a medical emergency overrules being barred from entering a country (any country for that matter).

Seemed Thai Embassy thought it was worth a visa.

Maybe immigration only deals with runaways? But, I believe some people do not belong Council of Human Rights?

[Injured]

14 hours ago, orchis said:

Is this a different stroke from the one you reported on July 23? Take care.

Misdiagnosed in Thailand to begin. Their glaucoma turned actual brain disease in connectipn to eye nerve. Diagnosed by doctor in USA. Only hospital that may have caught it would have been Bumrungard. My US specialist taught there. Thanks

[Injured]

20 minutes ago, Injured said:

Seems Thai Embassy thought it was worth it to issue the visa.

But again. If a person suffers sickness on an aircraft. They do not land? Immigration says push them out over another country?

[Injured]

15 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

the best thing for you right now is to avoid all aggravation.

i hope you have someone to help you.

good luck.

Feeling a little bad for having the loss and disability. Going solo until get back to the family. The other eye is ok for now. But diagnosed as could lose sight at any time. That means total blindness. Its a day at a time.

Ex-Chief in the states, I hope he takes a tour while in the US. Enjoy the sights.

[BritTim]

I find it bizarre that you would get a visa and try to enter Thailand while blacklisted (whatever the reason  you wanted to go there). Any reasonable person would have realised that the attempt to enter was doomed to failure, at least without the payment of large bribes. I am sorry that the attempt, and subsequent events arising from that, resulted in exacerbating your medical issues, and perhaps the fact that you were ill contributed to your lack of judgement. However, a reasonable person would have gone to Malaysia or Singapore, not somewhere they knew they were banned from entering.

[Injured]

45 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I find it bizarre that you would get a visa and try to enter Thailand while blacklisted (whatever the reason  you wanted to go there). Any reasonable person would have realised that the attempt to enter was doomed to failure, at least without the payment of large bribes. I am sorry that the attempt, and subsequent events arising from that, resulted in exacerbating your medical issues, and perhaps the fact that you were ill contributed to your lack of judgement. However, a reasonable person would have gone to Malaysia or Singapore, not somewhere they knew they were banned from entering.

You have to play the game and go by the law. However bizarre, you do it. Im surprised you use 'reasonable' on Thailand. It also falls with common sense when none is done here.

This is a long story as some know the entire route. You do it their way or forget it.  But, make it well documented. 

Departments do not agree on law as they use multiple interpretations to whomevers benefit. Money? Tell me about it.

Thanks Tim.

[Caldera]

2 hours ago, Injured said:

Seemed Thai Embassy thought it was worth a visa.

As of now, Thai embassies cannot check whether you are banned from entering the country. It's ridiculous, granted, but it's also a well-known fact.

 

You, on the other hand, knew that you are banned. So you deliberately took a gamble - and lost. Blaming the outcome on the Thai authorities is a bit rich. You would have saved yourself a lot of aggravation and, from your report, also harm to your health if you had taken your ban into account.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Caldera
Clarity

[onera1961]

21 hours ago, Injured said:

Thai Immigration refused the Med Visa to enter Thailand due to the barring order.

What's a barring order?

[ubonjoe]

18 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

What's a barring order?

Banned from entering the country.

[Myran]

You were blacklisted and tried to enter anyway; seems it's no one's fault but your own. A shame it turned out the way it did, though.

[pontious]

Seems to me it is all your fault. You knowingly got a visa when you knew you were blacklisted.  What were you blacklisted for.?

Why did you not get treated in Cambodia - there  is 1 decent hospital there.

Edited May 4, 2019 by pontious

[BritTim]

26 minutes ago, pontious said:

Why did you not get treated in Cambodia - there  is 1 decent hospital there.

Actually, the part of his story that makes sense to me is wanting to get medical treatment elsewhere. These days, I would not be concerned getting treatment for routine issues in Cambodia, but it is not a good place for complex medical problems.

[1FinickyOne]

Sorry for your medical issues - - the odds are that we will all faces medical issues at some point in our life... 

 

however, you obviously did something to get banned from Thailand so you really cannot blame them... 

 

Another good reason not to break laws.. anywhere. 

[Injured]

20 hours ago, Caldera said:

As of now, Thai embassies cannot check whether you are banned from entering the country. It's ridiculous, granted, but it's also a well-known fact.

 

You, on the other hand, knew that you are banned. So you deliberately took a gamble - and lost. Blaming the outcome on the Thai authorities is a bit rich. You would have saved yourself a lot of aggravation and, from your report, also harm to your health if you had taken your ban into account.

Sorry to differ.

Yes, Embassies do have knowledge of blacklisted. However, those done so with Interpol and Thai Immigration. Thai does not link directly for overstay. But are able to coordinate duties. They coordinate with the airlines directly and not the embassy on overstays. There are a couple that will not assist. 

In this case, the embassy knew the full story. Plus, the barring order.

Why Issue Visa? They took the stand of medical had priority over the barring order. I commend the Thai Embassy taking a stand.

Seems TI had their own agenda. One department says yes, the other no. My health problems escalated due to travel. I could have just done nothing to be deported then compound the problems.

[Injured]

17 hours ago, pontious said:

Seems to me it is all your fault. You knowingly got a visa when you knew you were blacklisted.  What were you blacklisted for.?

Why did you not get treated in Cambodia - there  is 1 decent hospital there.

You know Hun Sen goes to Singapore. Seems you should talk to local expats and a few embassies. One embassy even puts it in writing. 1 decent? Do they have a sign over the door?

Yes. I got a visa by law. Where it say cannot in emergency? And, the Thai Embassy knew also.  Who is the one? 'Bangkok'. Most here long time can give a Bio on each hospital. 

Yes, i got a visa by law. Do they medically treat jailed prisoners for murder? Its my fault thinking some officials knew medical conditions.

Look 2019 and Thai are just started to talk hypertension. 

[geisha]

Sorry about what happened but it could have been avoided if you had gone to Malaysia or Singapore for emergency treatment. Common sense should have told you you cannot enter having been blacklisted. Anyone staying / living in Thailand knows this. Why did you take the risk ? 

[kingstonkid]

Injured  I used to work with CDN immigration in a High commission/embassy.  The immigration people can issue you with a visa and in a lot of cases, they get caught up in the song an dance or sob story (not to belittle your issues).  However, almost every flight that went to England or had a chance to transfer the person to a CDN flt had an immigration officer at the gate checking again.  Even if you have a visa it does not mean that the country has to let you in or accept it if they feel that it not a good visa or reason.   I agree with other posters that you did not, unfortunately, do any due diligence..  The fact that you personally went to the embassy tells me that while you may have been ill you were not ambulatory.  Contacting a Thai hospital and having them establish that they were going to send an ambulance to get you would have helped your case walking through the border would make me wonder how bad you are. SOrry

[Injured]

2 hours ago, kenk24 said:

Sorry for your medical issues - - the odds are that we will all faces medical issues at some point in our life... 

 

however, you obviously did something to get banned from Thailand so you really cannot blame them... 

 

Another good reason not to break laws.. anywhere. 

I was diagnosed with a stroke and overstayed a visa. (misdiagnosed)

I should have talk to Immigration.

I DID! There is nothing to handle such. Also, had a stroke to someone you know? Try to move or talk.

[TheMysteriousMrTesla]

I'm a little confused @Injured where are you right now, back in the States or somewhere else?

 

[Leaver]

You could have went to a number of other countries for treatment, Singapore being the closest, and with a high standard.

 

You only thought to Thailand.  Why was that? 

[Just Weird]

17 minutes ago, Injured said:

I was diagnosed with a stroke and overstayed a visa. (misdiagnosed)

I should have talk to Immigration.

I DID! There is nothing to handle such. Also, had a stroke to someone you know? Try to move or talk.

You were diagnosed as having had a stroke but you say that was a misdiagnosis, so you didn't have a stroke, correct? 

 

Then you state this..."Also, had a stroke to someone you know? Try to move or talk". So you're suggesting again that you did have a stroke.  Where did the misdiagnosis come in?

 

That does not make any sense.

 

"I should have talk to Immigration. I DID! There is nothing to handle such".

Yes, there is.  If you're hospitalised and get your doctor's confirmation of that, Immigration have a process to cover your overstay due to illness.  Of course, if you were on overstay before your hospitalisation that may be a totally different issue.

Edited May 5, 2019 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

35 minutes ago, Injured said:

You know Hun Sen goes to Singapore. Seems you should talk to local expats and a few embassies. One embassy even puts it in writing. 1 decent? Do they have a sign over the door?

Yes. I got a visa by law. Where it say cannot in emergency? And, the Thai Embassy knew also.  Who is the one? 'Bangkok'. Most here long time can give a Bio on each hospital. 

Yes, i got a visa by law. Do they medically treat jailed prisoners for murder? Its my fault thinking some officials knew medical conditions.

Look 2019 and Thai are just started to talk hypertension. 

"Yes. I got a visa by law. Where it say cannot in emergency? And, the Thai Embassy knew also".

Having a visa is not a guarantee that you will be able to enter the country, any country, including yours, that decision is up to Immigration officers alone, visa or not.

 

"Do they medically treat jailed prisoners for murder?"

Yes, of course, prisoners receive medical treatment and had you been in prison so would you have! But you weren't, you were outside the country and banned from entering. 

 

Does the US provide medical treatment for those outside the country and banned from entering?  Why do you seem to think Thailand should?