4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

What worries me Oily is that you actually believe the b0llox you write.... ????????

 

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So David Davis was not a Brexiteer.

He is but he as far as the negotiations went he was LINO (Leading In Name Only) but increasingly undermined by May and the CS. I'm really surprised that Barnier did not complain about that. for time-wasting - ha ha!

Just now, oilinki said:

Find playing the victim card quite absurd after all the things the Brexiters has been saying about my country.

 

What things?

Just now, oilinki said:

Pretty much all the nastiness and the falsehoods concerning EU. 

You said your country. The EU is not a country. So I was confused. 

1 minute ago, oilinki said:

It is for me. 

I can tell. But I won't ask why.

1 hour ago, transam said:

From Pwhlleli...?

I thought they made tyres ????

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He is but he as far as the negotiations went he was LINO (Leading In Name Only) but increasingly undermined by May and the CS. I'm really surprised that Barnier did not complain about that. for time-wasting - ha ha!

So there was a brexiteer heading the negotiations. Time to admit there was nothing much to negotiate about, EU held and still holds all the cards.

27 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Find playing the victim card quite absurd after all the things the Brexiters has been saying about my country.

 

I find, for some, playing the intellectual card, given their knowledge and standing, even more absurd.

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So there was a brexiteer heading the negotiations. Time to admit there was nothing much to negotiate about, EU held and still holds all the cards.

EU were in a position of strength as a result of our Parliament and speaker being biased in their direction despite being mandated to the contrary by the very people they pledged to serve; & then came the unelected O(i)lly Robbins who duly undermined Davis on orders from No 10....

The poor bloke didn't have a chance and resigned with his integrity intact.

 

25 minutes ago, evadgib said:

EU were in a position of strength as a result of our Parliament and speaker being biased in their direction despite being mandated to the contrary by the very people they pledged to serve; & then came the unelected O(i)lly Robbins who duly undermined Davis on orders from No 10....

The poor bloke didn't have a chance and resigned with his integrity intact.

 

Nonsense, time to accept that brexiteers are the ones responsible for this mess and stop blaming others.

 

I know, won't happen, always somebody else's fault.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Nonsense, time to accept that brexiteers are the ones responsible for this mess and stop blaming others.

 

I know, won't happen, always somebody else's fault.

 

Nonsense to your nonsense.

 

Remainers are responsible for this mess; those remain b4stards in the government who had one job............ one job, and they totally forked it up.

Pretty much all the nastiness and the falsehoods concerning EU. 

But you still keep posting it all, don’t you.

TV posters are now responsible for this 21 page mess also????

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

Pretty much all the nastiness and the falsehoods concerning EU. 

Priceless! First you complain about people who use the victim card then you use it yourself. 

Please explain what do you mean.

all the nastiness and the falsehoods concerning EU.

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

You said your country. The EU is not a country. So I was confused. 

It is for me. 

I think this is further proof that the direction of travel of the EU project is toward a 'super state'. You can see this, and you appear to welcome it (as many outside the UK do). But remainers from the UK are still in denial. 

6 hours ago, transam said:

We MANAGED didn't we....?

 

In fact in the 50's I recall they were very happy times, we could even leave our front doors open....Can you now...?

 

You are scaremongering...

I can remember many trhousands of people living in Prefabricated houses (prefabs) which were only supposed to be temporary accommodation but continued to be used for many years afterwards.

 

The fifties were a very tough time (some rationing went on into the 50s). It trook the UK many years to fully recover from WW2.

5 hours ago, Fruit Trader said:

Time for some reminders from Pat.

 

 

Random old bloke on YouTube used to bore everybody down the pub now he has a pulpit on YouTube drunk on the sound of his own droning voice. We, we , we not in my name.....mate we have a sovereign parliament and that's that. He needs a holiday in Thailand to calm himself down....

30 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I can remember many trhousands of people living in Prefabricated houses (prefabs) which were only supposed to be temporary accommodation but continued to be used for many years afterwards.

 

The fifties were a very tough time (some rationing went on into the 50s). It trook the UK many years to fully recover from WW2.

I think you are half right. At the beginning of the 50's many of our major cities were bombed out, we were financially exhausted, rationing still existed and there was an acute shortage of decent housing, yet in less than 10 years everything changed possibly more than any other post war decade. The economy boomed, wages soared and unemployment virtually disappeared and the first motorway was opened in 1958. Council estates were created, supermarkets made an appearance, the Festival of Britain happened.

Lets not forget in 1957 Harold Macmillan said "most of our people have never had it so good".

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Spidey said:

More claptrap!

 

UKIP was far right. It moved to the extreme right with the engagement of Tommy Islam and other extremists.

 

This gave Farage the excuse to leave the party he founded and was no longer omnipotent in.

 

He formed a new party, Brexit, which occupies the ground that UKIP occupied before, far right.

 

As a party that unashamedly has a single policy, it may do well in the upcoming Euro elections, which has often been used for extremists to register a protest vote, but with a predictably and understandably low turnout, can in no way be used as an indicator for a future GE, referendum or local election.

 

To have success in a GE, a party needs a manifesto that covers all issues. Something that UKIP never had, which accounts for their abysmal showing in every GE that they contested, and something that the Brexit party has even less of.

 

 

WRONG - all a party needs is VOTES and hell get PLENTY of those!! By the way i LOVE how you call anybody who isn’t a remoaner or a snowflake lefty an extremist!!

12 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Random old bloke on YouTube used to bore everybody down the pub now he has a pulpit on YouTube drunk on the sound of his own droning voice. We, we , we not in my name.....mate we have a sovereign parliament and that's that. He needs a holiday in Thailand to calm himself down....

Yep that old bloke down the pub

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Condell

 

 

 

20 hours ago, oilinki said:

The idea is simple, yet too difficult to some. The idea of EU economical and social co-operation was to make countries so interconnected that nobody even want to think of war between European countries. And it has worked well ever since the idea was created. 

 

What comes to the ministers. Can you name one well known democratic country where voters elect their ministers? I can't think of any. UK definitely doesn't do so. 

 

 

Well the British public voted this lofty ideal as a failure and want no further part in this anti democratic expensive fraud, we want our country back.

6 hours ago, transam said:

So if there was another vote and leave won AGAIN, what would your comment here be...?

Idiots

 

13 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Well the British public voted this lofty ideal as a failure and want no further part in this anti democratic expensive fraud, we want our country back.

Rubbish. You think 17 million out of 65 million could be democratic, think again.

30 minutes ago, aright said:

Lets not forget in 1957 Harold Macmillan said "most of our people have never had it so good".

And ordinary working people cried with laughter. Typical Tory completely out of touch with ordinary working people.

 

First motorway, Preston bypass. I remember ny uncle taking me down it in his van, days after it had opened. Middle of the day and it was virtually deserted. Unfortunately, at that time, most ordinary working folk didn't have a car.

 

Brexit, if it happens will be the same. it will be the ordinary working man that takes most of the pain. The middle classes will get by and the upper classes, the likes of Johnson and Gove and their Bullingdon club mates, will be looking down on us scum and laughing their cocks off.

29 minutes ago, aright said:

I think you are half right. At the beginning of the 50's many of our major cities were bombed out, we were financially exhausted, rationing still existed and there was an acute shortage of decent housing, yet in less than 10 years everything changed possibly more than any other post war decade. The economy boomed, wages soared and unemployment virtually disappeared and the first motorway was opened in 1958. Council estates were created, supermarkets made an appearance, the Festival of Britain happened.

Lets not forget in 1957 Harold Macmillan said "most of our people have never had it so good".

 

 

 

Mainly because we joined the EU in 1973.

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Ever since the Article 50 was initiated, you have been fully on your own, negotiating first with the EU for the initial Brexit deal (the much harder real deal is to be seen if it comes). You have also been negotiating internally since the Brexit deal was agreed between EU member states and UK government. 

 

On the scale from 1 to 10, what kind of grade would you give to your fully independent UK's performance?

 

In the EU we are used to make the compromises and make sure that even the minorities are listened and treated well. UK decided to simply ignore the 48%, which has pretty much caused all these delays and sorrow. 

We this....we that....????

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

We this....we that....????

Yes and we are used to make the compromises and make sure that even the minorities are listened and treated well.

How are the yellow vests getting on these days?

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We this....we that....????

A bit like Brexiteers on this thread. To hear them talk you would think that their views were shared bu every UK citizen, "We, the people..." no mate, currently less than half of the people.

Leavers, please tell me what personal benefits you will obtain if Brexit happens.  We've won the cup springs to mind, but hell with the consequences.

 

And there will be. Mostly detrimental. Correction. All detrimental.