22 minutes ago, JimGant said:

Then, I guess, we would have needed Thaksin's tactics to solve the problem -- dead meat by the roadside. Works for me. Not sure what the next solution is -- annex these lands to Malaysia? Heck, why not. They're never going to be part of a productive Thai economy anyway -- just a festering sore.

 

Prayut had no good alternatives, nor will he in the future. Anyone else in charge would have had the same hurdles.

So we can agree that there is still no peace in Thailand and the streets are safe due to a heavybdose of human right abuses in the last 5 years and possibly the next few years under Prayut, Prawit and Anupong. The later two still hold the defense and interior portfolio. No change. 

9 hours ago, pagallim said:

And of course, all 250 Senators were appointed by Prayut and hence hardly likely to vote against him.

Well there is that! Thanathorn must have known that scenario would play out. Even from the start when Big P was out buying votes with tax payer money. That surely must have been indicative of what was to follow. He probably learned quite a bit in this run and he is young. He'll be active in Thai politics for a while.

What did he expect it was set it up before the vote and after. He knew he would get the top job and he would would lose

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6 hours ago, pornprong said:

Too true.

The 11 seats the EC moved across to top up that 251 is kind of impactful though.

Don't you think?......????????

 

6 hours ago, CGW said:

Your not trying to justify the vote - are you? 

Not I'm not, just simple calculation of a "democratic" majority.

 

"Democratic" means here the seats, which not always mirrors the actual percentage of a population, depending of how votes in various areas are transferred into mandates for a parlament – UK is a good example, in 2015 gave 36.8 % of the votes, 50.8 % of the seats – furthermore political negotiations into coalitions might also not mirror what the people believed they voted for.

 

Just simple calculation of the votes in House of Representatives, which gives a majority, without counting the appointed Senate. That's what I say, everything else is speculation...????

Thanathorn, you knew this was going to happen, if not, you are in the wrong place.

Stop whining and get on with doing the best you can as an effective opposition, you and your people will have to work at it and it will not be easy. Your supporters expect something from you are you up to it?

6 minutes ago, Oziex1 said:

Thanathorn, you knew this was going to happen, if not, you are in the wrong place.

Stop whining and get on with doing the best you can as an effective opposition, you and your people will have to work at it and it will not be easy. Your supporters expect something from you are you up to it?

To bell the cat means to attempt or agree to attempt an impossibly difficult task that if achieved, will benefit the entire community.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Oziex1 said:

Thanathorn, you knew this was going to happen, if not, you are in the wrong place.

Stop whining and get on with doing the best you can as an effective opposition, you and your people will have to work at it and it will not be easy. Your supporters expect something from you are you up to it?

Perhaps you should have watched yesterday's events at Thammasart University.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1105355-thanathorn-confirms-his-party’s-goal-remains-to-change-thailand-for-the-better/

 

 

47 minutes ago, khunPer said:

 

Not I'm not, just simple calculation of a "democratic" majority.

 

"Democratic" means here the seats, which not always mirrors the actual percentage of a population, depending of how votes in various areas are transferred into mandates for a parlament – UK is a good example, in 2015 gave 36.8 % of the votes, 50.8 % of the seats – furthermore political negotiations into coalitions might also not mirror what the people believed they voted for.

 

Just simple calculation of the votes in House of Representatives, which gives a majority, without counting the appointed Senate. That's what I say, everything else is speculation...????

You actually think this was a free and fair election? Is that your honest opinion?

8 hours ago, khunPer said:

Senator's vote or not – in my calculator 251 MPs are more than 244 MPs...????

Take out the 11 parties who failed to get enough votes and it comes to 240 v 244.

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Take out the 11 parties who failed to get enough votes and it comes to 240 v 244.

No, the 11 seats were stolen, so it would revert back to the original 245 to 255 - a majority for the PT + FF led coalition.

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

No, the 11 seats were stolen, so it would revert back to the original 245 to 255 - a majority for the PT + FF led coalition.

I believe that is what he meant, but yes.

17 minutes ago, bergan said:

You actually think this was a free and fair election? Is that your honest opinion?

Speculation, no one can prove the one or the other, I don't speculate...????

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Take out the 11 parties who failed to get enough votes and it comes to 240 v 244.

Its depending of calculation method what was "enough" votes, I don't speculate in "if" another count of votes were used, I just looked at what the number of seats in the elected House of Representatives voted, because that is a fact. Without the senators, there were still a "democratic" majority of seats.

 

I have no opinion about the one, or the other, side is right, or wrong; I'm just observing facts...????

3 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Speculation, no one can prove the one or the other, I don't speculate...????

It can hardly be described as going out on a limb to aver that the election was neither free nor fair.

 

https://prachatai.com/english/node/7993

 

Here's my favourite

 

Nation TV reported that in Bueng Kum, after the Palang Pracharat candidate was declared to have the highest number of votes, the Future Forward candidate requested a re-count. It was then found that there were more ballots than there should be in the constituency.

12 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

251 MPs and 249 senators) voted for Prayut against the 244 MPs who voted in favor of Thanathorn.

Where is the robbery?

 

The real robbery would've been if the leader of the party that finished 3rd was made PM.

 

Offered the job so his party would join another.

 

Both sides engage in scandalous horse trading.

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The real robbery would've been if the leader of the party that finished 3rd was made PM.

 

Offered the job so his party would join another.

 

Both sides engage in scandalous horse trading.

There's always horse trading, it's politics.

Only one side cheated on multiple occasions though.

Can't tar them both with the same brush here mate.

Mate it was rigged from the start, you didn't have a chance

....the entire nation, actually.