UK PM candidate Johnson increases support in third round of leadership contest

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

To be honest, I trust Boris about as far as I can throw him and think there is a distinct possibility that he will 'do a May' once in power ☹️.

 

But at the moment he is the only contender 'promising' a genuine brexit once the latest extension ends.  If he gains power and fails to deliver on this promise (e.g. tries to pass a May surrender treaty) then, like May previously, his head will be on the 'block'.

I agree I trust him as much as other politicians. At least he is a brexiteer. as much as remaiers on here and in then press are trying their best to discredit him, they know that he will take us out of the EU in what ever form.

 

The likes of May and Robbins have done their best to prevent us leaving and would happily sell the UK to the EU. If Boris doesn't deliver in what ever way he will toast and will only see the rise of the Brexit party. Which may happen anyway.

[dick dasterdly]

10 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

IMO, the vote should be considered by a UK government who is charged with democratically overseeing the rights of everyone, not just a minority. 

 

Why do you consider that the government has not passed the WAG? Because they know they'll out of a job when brexit goes belly-up - which is what's going to happen anyway, at the next GE.

"Why do you consider that the government has not passed the WAG? Because they know they'll out of a job when brexit goes belly-up"

 

I strongly disagree.

 

IMO the reason MPs have rejected the EU/May surrender treaty is because they knew that the electorate (both leavers and remainers!) had recognised it as the worst possible 'deal'!

[Jonnapat]

Johnson as PM and a possible 4 more years of Trump. 

Doesn't bear thinking about. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And after 3 years, did you learn anything from all the presented facts?

Or do you prefer to dream about how wonderful everything could be - if the world would finally do what the UK demands?

Although the details of the exit negotiations are not clear, most demands seem to have come from the EU. Article 50 does not mention anything about "demands" in the negotiation process. The EU have railroaded this from the start...and May let them do it. 

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Why do you consider that the government has not passed the WAG? Because they know they'll out of a job when brexit goes belly-up"

 

I strongly disagree.

 

IMO the reason MPs have rejected the EU/May surrender treaty is because they knew that the electorate (both leavers and remainers!) had recognised it as the worst possible 'deal'!

From what I understand the EU said the best deal the UK could get was to remain in the EU. Anything less than that is by definition, inferior - including a no-deal. 

 

But the key 'fault' is firmly at the feet of the UK Tory government who chose this route, and caused the effect. with luck, they'll be decimated at the next GE.  

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Right from the start, the EU made it very clear what terms they would and wouldn't accept. For the obvious reason that to give Brexiters the terms they wanted would mean the dissolution of the EU. So I guess when you're up against that inconvenient fact, your only course is to claim betrayal.

There you go  demand  demand  demand.....

[brucec64]

Boris Johnson backs down on tax cuts for the rich and no-deal Brexit during Tory leadership debate

He stuck to his position that the UK must leave the European Union by 31 October, warning of “catastrophic” consequences for voter trust in politics if the Conservative government “kicked the can down the road” again.

 

But he repeatedly stressed that he did not want a “disorderly” no-deal Brexit, and told one member of the public who voiced fears for her family’s jobs: “We are going to make sure that we come out on terms that protect the UK and protect the EU as well.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leadership-debate-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-rory-stewart-tax-cut-bbc-a8964566.html

I'm interested how he plans to negotiate that deal before October 31st. Basically he is just selling delusion to the delusional.

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[vogie]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

From what I understand the EU said the best deal the UK could get was to remain in the EU. Anything less than that is by definition, inferior - including a no-deal. 

 

But the key 'fault' is firmly at the feet of the UK Tory government who chose this route, and caused the effect. with luck, they'll be decimated at the next GE.  

From what I understand the EU said the best deal the UK could get was to remain in the EU. Anything less than that is by definition, inferior - including a no-deal. 

Well they would say that, wouldn't they, I guess they were none too keen on losing our subscriptions.

[dick dasterdly]

44 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

As a point of correction, it's the UK, not 'the country', in which two countries voted to remain in the EU.  And as democratic principle everyone has a right to be heard, and the government is charged with enacting what would benefit the whole populous.

 

In reality, the Tory government is intent of being politically motivated in being undemocratic by pandering to the leavers vote, instead of ditching Brexit forthwith in the best interests of the total populace.

 

But don't worry, a GE will sort them out.    

"And as democratic principle everyone has a right to be heard, and the government is charged with enacting what would benefit the whole populous."

 

It's impossible to enact policies that "benefit the whole populous" as policies that benefit the extremely wealthy are entirely at odds with policies that would benefit the vast majority of the population.  And who do you think has benefited the most from govt. policies?.....

 

"In reality, the Tory government is intent of being politically motivated in being undemocratic by pandering to the leavers vote."

 

Do you honestly think the Tory govt. has pandered to the leavers???  If so, why on earth haven't we actually left!  Instead we have a largely remain govt. that is trying very hard to remain - without a large number of them losing their seats....

 

"instead of ditching Brexit forthwith in the best interests of the total populace"

 

Entirely your opinion, and one with which the majority of those that voted in the referendum, disagreed.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Right from the start, the EU made it very clear what terms they would and wouldn't accept. For the obvious reason that to give Brexiters the terms they wanted would mean the dissolution of the EU. So I guess when you're up against that inconvenient fact, your only course is to claim betrayal.

The EU never attempted to reach a fair, amicable deal. Their aim all along was to offer us something so unacceptable that we'd abandon the whole thing and stay. That's their prerogative, but they will now have to accept that we leave with no deal and they get nothing (for now).

 

Of course, they might get part of the 39 Billion in exchange for a good trade deal after we've left but knowing them they'll want zero tariffs on their exports to the UK and high tariffs on our exports to the EU. Plus the 39 Billion for the privilege of signing up. That's how the EU works, which is why we are leaving and why the project will eventually fail.

 

Good to see Rory Stewart out of the contest in any case. Anyone who thinks continuing with May's surrender treaty was a good idea shouldn't have even made it this far. I don't like Johnson much (would have preferred Raab) but if he can get us out with no deal then I couldn't give a toss how many kids he's got or how politically incorrect his observations are. 

 

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, jesimps said:

Which lying clown do you prefer? I don't care which idiot is in charge as long as he takes us out of the EU. Blow the pound, democracy is at stake here. The exchange rate's turning me into a pauper, but I stand by my principles.

what democracy is at stake? I saw an interesting program with Stephen Fry, 99% of all laws are passed by parliament 1% comes from Brussels

[Mike Teavee]

Don't you think there's something sad (or maybe shambolic) that it's likely to come down to a choice between Johnson & Gove, AKA the 2 guys who lost out to Theresa May in the last party Leader contest.

 

If she was the "Best Man" then, just how bad are either of these 2 going to be.

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by Mike Teavee

[soalbundy]

Just now, Mike Teavee said:

Don't you think there's something sad (or maybe shambolic) that it's likely to come down to a choice between Johnson & Gove (AKA the 2 guys who lost out to Theresa May in the last party Leader contest).

 

If she was the "Best Man" then, just how bad are either of these 2 going to be.

 

voted in by potential Trump supporters.

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

what democracy is at stake? I saw an interesting program with Stephen Fry, 99% of all laws are passed by parliament 1% comes from Brussels

In that Fry Up he said 99% of our spending (money), not laws.

 

It's a sham. He uses 2018 (post referendum) immigration figures, then goes on about dope, beer, porn and gay marriage and laws to demonstrate how much in control we are. 

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by nauseus

[Basil B]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The remaining candidates must be happy that the only guy who told the truth is eliminated.

Not they can talk again about all those unicorns which will be released soon and nobody will bring them back down to earth.

 

BBC analissed what every candidate said and found there was no way any of the candidates could guarantee everything the offered. 

[blazes]

17 minutes ago, Basil B said:

BBC analissed what every candidate said and found there was no way any of the candidates could guarantee everything the offered. 

 

I think "analissed" is a BBC word meaning "you can kiss my ass"...

[Basil B]

Do not know why the Boris camp does not organise tactical voting by ensuring the candidate which is likely to get the least votes from the membership makes it to the last two.

 

Boris only need to secure 110 votes to ensure he gets into the last two, plenty of surplus to ensure the 

Boris supporters choose who will be Boris's challenger. 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Do not know why the Boris camp does not organise tactical voting by ensuring the candidate which is likely to get the least votes from the membership makes it to the last two.

 

Boris only need to secure 110 votes to ensure he gets into the last two, plenty of surplus to ensure the 

Boris supporters choose who will be Boris's challenger. 

I'm sure it has been, and will be, very "tactical" by them all.

[dick dasterdly]

40 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

what democracy is at stake? I saw an interesting program with Stephen Fry, 99% of all laws are passed by parliament 1% comes from Brussels

I always liked Stephen Fry, but he has turned into a remain advocate - quite willing to twist the truth to support his POV ☹️.

[dick dasterdly]

32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

In that Fry Up he said 99% of our spending (money), not laws.

 

It's a sham. He uses 2018 (post referendum) immigration figures, then goes on about dope, beer, porn and gay marriage and laws to demonstrate how much in control we are. 

 

Do you have a link?

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, jesimps said:

Which lying clown do you prefer? I don't care which idiot is in charge as long as he takes us out of the EU. Blow the pound, democracy is at stake here. The exchange rate's turning me into a pauper, but I stand by my principles.

That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Mavideol]

18 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Do not know why the Boris camp does not organise tactical voting by ensuring the candidate which is likely to get the least votes from the membership makes it to the last two.

 

Boris only need to secure 110 votes to ensure he gets into the last two, plenty of surplus to ensure the 

Boris supporters choose who will be Boris's challenger. 

Boris supporters choose who will be Boris's challenger. 

 

do you mean cheating ??? what about democracy

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Do you have a link?

maybe same link that Boris used he claimed UK saving hundred's millions pounds/month if exit EU

[Basil B]

37 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Boris supporters choose who will be Boris's challenger. 

 

do you mean cheating ??? what about democracy

Creating a second preference vote...

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Do you have a link?

No. Binned it. Probably easy enough to find.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No. Binned it. Probably easy enough to find.

I think this is it Dick.

 

There are plenty more.

 

He's been busy.

 

[evadgib]

3 hours ago, stephenterry said:

I'd vote for 'nothing less'. Boris faces an almost impossible task of pacifying a split Tory party and DUP, let alone enacting Brexit. IMO, as he has already done, is to be all things to all men, and persuade them to pass the WAG through parliament, so he can claim a success.

 

His persuasion line could be to Tories - would you rather be out of a job if a GE is called, because that's what we're heading for? And for the DUP, the EU have agreed to amend/clarify the political statement (which they have already agreed to do so) so that we can sort out the Irish backstop during the transistion stage. 

Johnson Snr (Dad) hinted at a return to Canada +++ during an interview yesterday without actually saying so by name.

[dick dasterdly]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think this is it Dick.

 

There are plenty more.

 

He's been busy.

 

Quite.  A previously mostly respected man has turned into nothing more than a mouthpiece for propaganda.  Very sad.☹️

Edited June 20, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I agree I trust him as much as other politicians. At least he is a brexiteer. as much as remaiers on here and in then press are trying their best to discredit him, they know that he will take us out of the EU in what ever form.

 

The likes of May and Robbins have done their best to prevent us leaving and would happily sell the UK to the EU. If Boris doesn't deliver in what ever way he will toast and will only see the rise of the Brexit party. Which may happen anyway.

No one can deliver the undeliverable 

 

 

[evadgib]

10 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Quite.  A previously mostly respected man has turned into nothing more than a mouthpiece for propaganda.  Very sad.☹️

My thoughts too Dick, A Govt luvvie.