heybruce Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Japan can assemble a nuke in fifteen minutes. They aren't technologically stunted. They probably have it already anyway. I'm sure they can build nukes, but it would take a lot longer than you think. Physics and weapons manufacture aren't your strong points, are they? The point of my post is that Japan and others aren't assembling nuclear weapons because they have defense alliances with the US. That is a good thing. Do you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, heybruce said: I'm sure they can build nukes, but it would take a lot longer than you think. Physics and weapons manufacture aren't your strong points, are they? The point of my post is that Japan and others aren't assembling nuclear weapons because they have defense alliances with the US. That is a good thing. Do you understand that? The fact is Kim will not nuke them whatever agreements are in place because if he does we will send him straight to hell. Do you understand that? These agreements are all useless. The deterrent doesn't change. We don't need troops to repel the Chinese. It would be nuclear war if they attack Japan. I also believe Japan most likely has a bomb ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Japan can assemble a nuke in fifteen minutes. They aren't technologically stunted. They probably have it already anyway. Still making things up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: The fact is Kim will not nuke them whatever agreements are in place because if he does we will send him straight to hell. Do you understand that? These agreements are all useless. The deterrent doesn't change. We don't need troops to repel the Chinese. It would be nuclear war if they attack Japan. I also believe Japan most likely has a bomb ready to go. Right. That's why the Korean War never happened, the Soviet Union and China were afraid we'd use our nukes on them. That's why the Soviet Union didn't support North Vietnam during the Vietnam war, they were afraid of our nukes. You clearly don't know what you are posting about. The history of great powers rivalries is full of countless small wars leading to huge body counts. That continues into the nuclear age, with the added risk of a miscalculation leading to a much larger war. That's why the US opposes nuclear proliferation. That's why the US has so many defense treaties. The world is not as simple as you imagine it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, heybruce said: Right. That's why the Korean War never happened, the Soviet Union and China were afraid we'd use our nukes on them. That's why the Soviet Union didn't support North Vietnam during the Vietnam war, they were afraid of our nukes. You clearly don't know what you are posting about. The history of great powers rivalries is full of countless small wars leading to huge body counts. That continues into the nuclear age, with the added risk of a miscalculation leading to a much larger war. That's why the US opposes nuclear proliferation. That's why the US has so many defense treaties. The world is not as simple as you imagine it. These days wars are about air superiority and aircraft carriers. We do not need a single base. It is helpful but not compulsory. America has over 12 carriers and China has maybe two. If China should attack oil will freeze up really quickly. We don't need to adhere to any of the past nonsense. The USA can mobilize and strike while simultaneously holding a defense. It isn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Hey Bruce I’m sure you have heard the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink lol I do enjoy your posts reasoned articulate fact based thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Cryingdick said: The fact is Kim will not nuke them whatever agreements are in place because if he does we will send him straight to hell. Do you understand that? These agreements are all useless. The deterrent doesn't change. We don't need troops to repel the Chinese. It would be nuclear war if they attack Japan. I also believe Japan most likely has a bomb ready to go. So if Kim won't use his nukes, why celebrate his cessation of threats to use them? Why is that significant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 And literally the next day........................ US 'hell-bent' on hostility despite talks, North Korea says https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48863401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said: And literally the next day........................ US 'hell-bent' on hostility despite talks, North Korea says https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48863401 To keep it in perspective , NK were referring to sanctions being upheld against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatfromwyoming Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The North Korean issue is, for all its risks, no more than a second-order concern. The first-order concern is the contest between America and China for strategic primacy in East Asia. And then of grave concern we have the Trump ideology in the mix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Cryingdick said: These days wars are about air superiority and aircraft carriers. We do not need a single base. It is helpful but not compulsory. America has over 12 carriers and China has maybe two. If China should attack oil will freeze up really quickly. We don't need to adhere to any of the past nonsense. The USA can mobilize and strike while simultaneously holding a defense. It isn't even close. Wars were about air superiority and aircraft carriers; from Pearl Harbor until recently. Now low-level conflicts are fought using asymmetric warfare (hacking and using fake news to create instability are examples) while major conflicts can be fought many ways, but are so devastating no one has dared used them, yet. The US can strike back if attacked, but it would be a war with no winners. Even a "limited" nuclear exchange in our interconnected world would cause a massive, global economic crash, mass starvation, instability, etc. That is why countries try their luck pushing the limits, they know a nuclear response is unlikely. China won't invade Japan or Taiwan while they have defense agreements with the US. China might if such agreements are cancelled. I don't know how much you study history, but the Korean War was started after the communists misinterpreted US intentions regarding countries it would defend. The first Iraq war was started when Saddam Hussein made a similar mistake. And the journalist Kashoggi was killed by Saudi Arabia after Trump declared the press was "the enemy of the people". Messages from the White House need to be clear and unambiguous or bad things happen. When the Trump administration gives clear and unambiguous messages, its only a short while before the message is changed. That is dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 3:49 AM, usviphotography said: North Korea is a Nuclear Power. Us accepting it or not can't change anything at this point. The key is to keep them as small and regional of a nuclear power and possible and even more importantly, end the underlining conflict between them and South Korea. Once we end the Korean War, and NK agrees to limit its nuclear deterrent to some reasonable level, we will have won and there will be no more need for sanctions. We are closer to the realization of that dream than at any point in history right now. The dream we are closer to, is NK’s dream of being a nuclear power, Kim’s prominence on the world stage, cessation of joint US/SK/Japan military exercises, easing of pressure on trade with China, and zero admonishment for testing short range missiles that could hit Japan & SK thus potentially causing a rift between US & their major Asian allies. All this in two years of the Trump presidency. Just imagine how much more of NK’s dream could come true in another two years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 23 hours ago, sanemax said: Since NK caused a nuclear explosion/accident on Chinas borders , China wants nothing more to do with them I’m sure this was just breakup sex then: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Cryingdick said: Japan can assemble a nuke in fifteen minutes...They probably have it already anyway. 7 hours ago, Cryingdick said: These agreements are all useless. The deterrent doesn't change. We don't need troops to repel the Chinese. It would be nuclear war if they attack Japan. ????♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 8:00 AM, sanemax said: These mad rants about Trump are getting a bit much So are Trump's own rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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