'Many killed' in shooting at Walmart in El Paso; suspect in custody

[marcusarelus]

32 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

This thread is about the horrible killings in Texas.  What has Cambodia (the killing fields) , Genghis Kahn or Idi Ami got to do with the subject matter other than to highlight that mass murderers can sometimes become world renowned ?  Those latter three were famous for the pursuit of ideologies, whereas this latest tragedy in El Paso appears to be the pursuit of one individual solely because  he wanted infamy.

Nothing to do with Trump or gun laws either.  There are 337,309 firearms probably higher because Texans are not required by law to register their firearms. So what are you going to do search every home in Texas?  

[mikebike]

19 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

No proof, heresy only currently and will be until after the court case so wait for facts not invent them. The other three mentioned are historically proven.

But your assertion that the motivation was "infamy" is not proven. I guess we will both have to wait, but I'll bet you 500 baht today that I am correct.

[dundas]

No doubt we'll hear more politicians talking about thoughts and prayers. 

 

My thoughts are that I am fortunate not to be a citizen of the US, land of mass shootings. 

 

And my prayer is that finally enough people in the US say 'enough!' and the law about citizens' right to carry the weaponry required for mass shootings is changed. 

[usviphotography]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course. There are maniacs all over the world. I am simply saying in the age of white (supremacist) glorification in America, quite the opposite is the case, in many instances. White men are anything but innocent of grave crimes, racism, hatred, murder, mass murder, genocide, rape, robbery, enslavement, and many other crimes. And they are portrayed as being far less dangerous and culpable than they truly are. Just look at European and American history. Look at the sheer number of genocidal rampages that have been committed by white men, throughout the course of history. We do not deserve the (self) elevated position we occupy. As Pelosi said very accurately, make America great again, simply means make America white again. God forbid. If America needs anything, it is more color, and not less color. Color is at least part of what made America great. Now? That greatness is highly suspect in my opinion. 

 

The non stop stream of anti-white propaganda that our children are being force fed through the media and government is one of the primary reasons so many kids are snapping. You don't see these kind of things happening in places like Poland. What we need to do is on a political level fully defeat the Left in order to end the propaganda and other anti-white polices and on a personal level we need to embrace both Alt-Tech and personal,real world organization to give white children a more productive outlet for the very understandable rage they are feeling. White American kids need to know that there are people out there that empathize with what they are going through and support them. We need to do a better job providing them with support. 

[geoffbezoz]

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

But your assertion that the motivation was "infamy" is not proven. I guess we will both have to wait, but I'll bet you 500 baht today that I am correct.

Gambling or the promoting of an illegal activity is against forum rules so sorry.

[chokrai]

15 minutes ago, elephant45 said:

Quit putting people on benzodiazapenes and SSRI's. That's a a start.

And quit selling automatic weapons to anyone for any reason...I wonder if it/the weapon was bought at Walmart?

You can not buy automatic weapons. I dont think any of these mass killings were done with automatic rifles.

[usviphotography]

5 minutes ago, dundas said:

No doubt we'll hear more politicians talking about thoughts and prayers. 

 

My thoughts are that I am fortunate not to be a citizen of the US, land of mass shootings. 

 

And my prayer is that finally enough people in the US say 'enough!' and the law about citizens' right to carry the weaponry required for mass shootings is changed. 

American gun policy has been pretty much constant since the nation's founding. That is not what is causing mass shootings. And Americans will never give up their right to bear arms. 

[geoffbezoz]

2 minutes ago, chokrai said:

You can not buy automatic weapons. I dont think any of these mass killings were done with automatic rifles.

Oh dear, not one for facts are you ?

 

https://rockinst.org/issue-area/assault-weapons-mass-shootings-and-options-for-lawmakers/

[White Christmas13]

I guess it is save to say a blind person crossing the road in Pattaya

is saver then living in the US

[quandow]

In the US, it's easier to buy a gun and kill a lot of people than it is to vote. Totally upside down!

[chokrai]

3 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Oh dear, not one for facts are you ?

 

https://rockinst.org/issue-area/assault-weapons-mass-shootings-and-options-for-lawmakers/

Do you  even know the difference between semi- auto and automatic? 

[xylophone]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Nope this perp has trump written all over him this one is directly related to donalds fear mongering rasist rhetoric 

Agree.......

 

The FBI is investigating claims that the alleged gunman in today's Walmart Texas shooting posted a manifesto citing the Christchurch mosque massacres not long before the attack, according to reports.

A manifesto containing white supremacist content was apparently posted online before today's Walmart attack, on the same forum used by the accused Christchurch shooter.

 

The document claimed similar white supremacist reasons for today's shooting.

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Do you  even know the difference between semi- auto and automatic? 

I do.  Do you know what a bump stock is?

[dundas]

16 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

American gun policy has been pretty much constant since the nation's founding. That is not what is causing mass shootings. And Americans will never give up their right to bear arms. 

Your assertion is doubtless understood in the US but not elsewhere. After the recent mass shooting in New Zealand, the government there tightened the restrictions on gun ownership, presumably on the basis that if you don't have guns everywhere you are less likely to have mass shootings. 

[mikebike]

12 minutes ago, xylophone said:

It was sarcasm!!

I know (you'll figure that out as you continue reading...).

Edited August 4, 2019 by mikebike

[Mel52]

Oh God it sounds like this is gonna be one of the worst mass shootings in history I’ve been watching it since last night live on the United States news Fox News, CNN, and a few others I have AIS at home so I get most of the United States TV channels. It’s just unbelievable another one a really bad one this time and the shooter had 20 minutes to shoot almost 50 people from what I’m hearing on the news right now they’re saying 20 dead and almost 25 wounded in the hospital. This is horrible and we’ll have plenty of time to debate gun control and how terrible people think things are in America but for now there are mass amounts of people who just died less than 10 hours ago and lots more injured families are just now starting to find out who’s dead who’s alive or in the hospital or what. So for now spare everyone your opinions and just pray for these people.

[NanLaew]

There's been a lot of noise by the gun lobby on how gun ownership and concealed carry can only make American society safer as the citizen can defend, fire back and protect themselves and others from these obviously mentally ill shooters. This in lieu of the inferred slow response times of the regular, trained and armed law enforcement.

 

I wonder if they'll roll that old chestnut out over the next few days? I mean, if you aren't safe in a Walmart in Texas...

[Joe Mcseismic]

6 minutes ago, Mel52 said:

Oh God it sounds like this is gonna be one of the worst mass shootings in history I’ve been watching it since last night live on the United States news Fox News, CNN, and a few others I have AIS at home so I get most of the United States TV channels. It’s just unbelievable another one a really bad one this time and the shooter had 20 minutes to shoot almost 50 people from what I’m hearing on the news right now they’re saying 20 dead and almost 25 wounded in the hospital. This is horrible and we’ll have plenty of time to debate gun control and how terrible people think things are in America but for now there are mass amounts of people who just died less than 10 hours ago and lots more injured families are just now starting to find out who’s dead who’s alive or in the hospital or what. So for now spare everyone your opinions and just pray for these people.

Pray for these people? Those prayers didn't work last time, or, the time before that, or, the time before that ad infinitum.

You are using the same argument that Republicans use to not talk about gun control. But, you know that, right?

[geoffbezoz]

22 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Do you  even know the difference between semi- auto and automatic? 

As I said not one for facts are you ?

[usviphotography]

18 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

Interesting to discuss with Americans when they tell me as a German that Merkel made Germany unsafe or Europe becomes unsafe with all these immigrants. I guess in one year immigrants kill in Germany less people than they are killed in these single mass shooting. 

A random mass shooting has almost no impact on the overall murder or crime rate in the US. And has been noted, US gun policy has been pretty much constant for centuries so the increase in mass shootings can not be blamed on any change in gun policy. So it really isn't that "interesting" at all. Germany's leader made a specific change in policy that resulted in a marked increase in crime. No policy change is associated with the increase in mass shootings, and while mass shootings are certainly regrettable, they don't have much impact on America's overall crime or murder rate. 

[NCC1701A]

read what the shooter has to say. make sure you read it all.

 

https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

read what the shooter has to say. make sure you read it all.

 

https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

Thanks. I did.

 

He never even mentioned global warming.

 

I wonder if he was still a virgin. He didn't mention anything about that either.

Edited August 4, 2019 by NanLaew

[marcusarelus]

17 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

read what the shooter has to say. make sure you read it all.

 

https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm

That's the problem.  How to tell people and convince them that America needs Hispanic immigrants.  They also need them from Europe.  I'd pass on the middle east and India.  

[CNXexpat]

Just now, ThaiBunny said:

"Citizens"? The usual statistic is "per head of population"

It´s not the same? Well, I am not a native English speaker. Sorry for the mistake. 

[simple1]

57 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

 

The non stop stream of anti-white propaganda that our children are being force fed through the media and government is one of the primary reasons so many kids are snapping. You don't see these kind of things happening in places like Poland. What we need to do is on a political level fully defeat the Left in order to end the propaganda and other anti-white polices and on a personal level we need to embrace both Alt-Tech and personal,real world organization to give white children a more productive outlet for the very understandable rage they are feeling. White American kids need to know that there are people out there that empathize with what they are going through and support them. We need to do a better job providing them with support. 

Aren't you the member who previously highlighted your support for White Supremacy ideology by referencing the "Great Replacement' theory which is at the core of White Supremacy mass killers ideology. The killer's manifesto is now accessible which makes no mention of poor little me white youth, but does talk to justification for mass murder of non whites.

[CNXexpat]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

I understand what it means.  Do you understand what it means for a little country to have 813 murders in 12 months?  

A little country? 83 million people are living there. That´s 25% of the US population. 1 per 100k is the usual kind of counting in statistics.  814 murders are far less than 25% of the 17,284 murders in the US.

[usviphotography]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Aren't you the member who previously highlighted your support for White Supremacy ideology by referencing the "Great Replacement' theory which is at the core of White Supremacy mass killers ideology. The killer's manifesto is now accessible which makes no mention of poor little me white youth, but does talk to justification for mass murder of non whites.

No, I'm a nationalist. I think this is mostly a generational thing and this board skews older. Most younger Westerners I run in to in Thailand are extreme Nationalists. Most older ones, especially from the UK, are more Communist in their outlook. Probably has to do with life experiences. Us younger folks have had to deal with the fall out of Leftist polices in our own countries and so we have a very different outlook than folks who left when their countries were still relative paradises and never actually had to witness the effects of the polices they support. 

[Becker]

45 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

69 killed a few years ago in the tough gun law state Norway.  

And how many mass shootings has that country seen in its history?

 

 

[jany123]

11 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

What I was claiming was Australia giving up guns did not stop violence and it has nothing to do with democracy or fascism.  Democracy means giving the people a vote if they want guns or not.  Fascism means taking away the guns of the people you are going to gas.

Ok... so you took my post which purported that regulating guns was not a matter of exchanging democracy for fascism, and overlaid it with irrelevant rubbish.... cars don’t kill people, people kill people, ban the cars.... blah blah... as you like

[Burma Bill]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

No. Texas Wal-Mart killer appears to ideologically motivated as well.

I totally agree. Various US media agencies are stating:-

 

The killer is Patrick Crusius, a 21 years old white anti-immigrant male who posted an online manifesto using racist rhetoric against Hispanics.