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Three controversial chemicals should be banned by year’s end: Mananya

By The Nation

 

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Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Mananya Thaiset on Tuesday revealed a plan to stop the use of three controversial agricultural chemicals – paraquat, glyphosate and chlorpyrifos – in Thailand. She said it was in motion and should materialise before the end of this year.

 

Talking to reporters at Government House before joining a Cabinet meeting, Mananya said a review of the Hazardous Substance Act and related regulations, including the zoning of areas in which such chemicals must not be applied, would be held on August 20. This was an urgent matter, so these three long-used chemicals should be banned before the year’s end, she added.

 

She expressed her personal view that paraquat, glyphosate and chlorpyrifos should be permanently banned, but that would require a study of related laws first.

 

Even though the three chemicals have proven to be highly toxic, contaminating the environment and the food chain and posing a severe threat to people’s health, they are still widely used in the country as the government hasn’t banned them yet, while many other nations have banned or at least regulated the use of the three chemicals.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30374348

 

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16 minutes ago, ExpatDraco said:

They should really ban dihydrogen monoxide. They use it to spray organic crops and there are a lot more horror stories about dihydrogen monoxide, but as usual money talks and it won't be banned.

What organic produce do they spray that on

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What organic produce do they spray that on
Almost everything. It's not only spraying but it's also used to get more yield out of rice farms. Als animal life, believe it or not, but shrimp farms use it also. Why do you think those shrimps are so big?
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34 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

No way will it happen. Mark my words. The companies who produce these toxic substances have already paid off Thai government officials to confirm they are safe and acceptable.

 

where did you get that? do you have a link?

 

imo it will be the enforcement that will be the issue.. 

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It's fine to say get rid of the chemicals.

BUT only if the government can come up with alternates to it.

How much extra diesel will have to be put into the atmosphere at it's expense and can the farmers afford it. 

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Having the put the cat amongst the pigeons by the announcement, the rush is on to purchase these chemicals prior to the ban being enforced, many selling at cost to reduce their stock.

The visual warnings of the dangers on chemicals also being upgraded to show graphic outcomes like the cigarette packets,  having to register as a buyer (farmer) to obtain chemicals plus the sellers also have to  be registered at least now trying to have some accountability has to be a good thing.

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2 hours ago, leeneeds said:

Having the put the cat amongst the pigeons by the announcement, the rush is on to purchase these chemicals prior to the ban being enforced, many selling at cost to reduce their stock.

already stocked up should be ok for a few  years..........and ex  wives!

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"..the three chemicals have proven to be highly toxic, contaminating the environment and the food chain and posing a severe threat to people’s health..."

Highly toxic + severe threat ought to lead to immediate total ban.

But there is money to be made (and paid)

Another 5-6 months of ingesting poison is just fine

"Given so many other ways to die here: traffic, lack of maintenance, bad wiring, etc etc, we consider this poison a "lesser threat" might be good position for government to adopt

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"She said it was in motion and should materialise before the end of this year."

 

This is Thailand, and the distance between "should materialize" and "will materialize" is a galaxy apart. You know, like...A fairly elected and non corrupt government "should have" been in place years ago.

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In 1966, I read a book by Rachel Carson, called "Silent Spring" which highlighted the problems caused by indiscriminate use of pesticides on nature. It was bitterly opposed by chemical companies, but changes were made in most countries, banning the use of such pesticides! And yet, here we are, over 50 years later fighting the same battle against dangerous herbicides. Do we learn nothing from history!


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13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Even though the three chemicals have proven to be highly toxic, contaminating the environment and the food chain and posing a severe threat to people’s health, they are still widely used in the country as the government hasn’t banned them yet

 

Totally detached from truth.

 

Glyphosate is not toxic, does not contaminate the environment, and poses zero threat to people's health.  In fact it's one of the safest chemicals out there.  If banned farmers will revert to older, much more dangerous chemicals.  Banning it flies in the face of all scientific evidence.

 

There's detailed background on this at https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4676

 

I'll just quote one short section:

 

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Its mechanism blocks one very specific metabolic process (called the shikimic acid pathway) that is present only in photosynthesizing plants and some microorganisms, and is not present at all in humans and animals. Glyphosate does not pass through your skin; and if ingested, it does not bioaccumulate and it passes right through without being digested or metabolized. Taken all into account, it is not surprising that forty years as one of the most common herbicides on the planet has resulted in not a single observable health consequence.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, jaltsc said:

She said it was in motion and should materialise before the end of this year.

Should= loop-hole.

The manufacturers haven't had their say yet neither have the influential people who have financial interests.

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41 minutes ago, Oxx said:

 

Totally detached from truth.

 

Glyphosate is not toxic, does not contaminate the environment, and poses zero threat to people's health.  In fact it's one of the safest chemicals out there.  If banned farmers will revert to older, much more dangerous chemicals.  Banning it flies in the face of all scientific evidence.

 

There's detailed background on this at https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4676

 

I'll just quote one short section:

 

 

 

 

 

A study in October 2018 showed that, in reality bees Are susceptible to this reaction mechanism and die. Many humans no bees is not sustainable IMHO. 

I have not had time to read the study. 

New Study Shows Roundup Kills Bees. The most widely sprayed herbicide in the world kills honeybees, according to a new report.Glyphosate, an herbicide and active ingredient in Monsanto's (now Bayer's) Roundup weed killer, targets enzymes long assumed to be found only in plants.Oct 3, 2018
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2 hours ago, lagavulin1 said:

A study in October 2018 showed that, in reality bees Are susceptible to this reaction mechanism and die. Many humans no bees is not sustainable IMHO. 

 

That alarmist article distorts the original research.  The title of the original paper is the far less alarming "Glyphosate perturbs the gut microbiota of honey bees".  In other words, it sometimes gives them an upset stomach, which in some cases may make them susceptible to a particular pathogen.

 

This really is a pretty minor and inconsequential effect.  It certainly doesn't mean "many humans no bees".  And it most certainly isn't grounds for banning one of the safest and most effective herbicides ever invented.

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/41/10305

 

 

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17 hours ago, ExpatDraco said:
17 hours ago, phka said:
What organic produce do they spray that on

Almost everything. It's not only spraying but it's also used to get more yield out of rice farms. Als animal life, believe it or not, but shrimp farms use it also. Why do you think those shrimps are so big?

Haha just water I relise now it's a joke very convincing 

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18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

She expressed her personal view that paraquat, glyphosate and chlorpyrifos should be permanently banned, but that would require a study of related laws first.

 

because the whole EU banning them is not good enough

 

as always with many things, like cannabis, thailand wants, NEEDS to invent the 3rd wheel over and over

 

I bet most of you don't know they spray this poison in your moo baan against weeds, just because it is easy ...   but dangerous, but who cares right... you got insurance, so when you got cancer, you get chemo & radiation ... mhhhh... do those things not KILL your immune system that is fighting everyday to kill about 20.000 cancer cells, EACH and every day ?

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1 hour ago, Oxx said:

 

That alarmist article distorts the original research.  The title of the original paper is the far less alarming "Glyphosate perturbs the gut microbiota of honey bees".  In other words, it sometimes gives them an upset stomach, which in some cases may make them susceptible to a particular pathogen.

 

This really is a pretty minor and inconsequential effect.  It certainly doesn't mean "many humans no bees".  And it most certainly isn't grounds for banning one of the safest and most effective herbicides ever invented.

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/41/10305

 

 

you want science ?

 

monsanto said long time ago that glyphosate disturbs the shikimate pathway.

 

The shikimate pathway (shikimic acid pathway) is a seven step metabolic route used by bacteria, archaea, fungi, algae, some protozoans, and plants for the biosynthesis of folates and aromatic amino acids (phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan).

 

and that humans don't have this

 

but our 100 TRILLION gut bacteria sure use them

 

and you are killing them with this chemical

 

autism anyone ? auto immune diseases, ...

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31 minutes ago, justin case said:

you want science ?

 

monsanto said long time ago that glyphosate disturbs the shikimate pathway.

 

The shikimate pathway (shikimic acid pathway) is a seven step metabolic route used by bacteria, archaea, fungi, algae, some protozoans, and plants for the biosynthesis of folates and aromatic amino acids (phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan).

 

and that humans don't have this

 

but our 100 TRILLION gut bacteria sure use them

 

and you are killing them with this chemical

 

autism anyone ? auto immune diseases, ...

 

Yes, I want science.  Not the unsubstantiated and irrational ramblings of the scientifically illiterate.  Perhaps you could point me towards the peer reviewed papers published in quality scientific journals that support "autism anyone ? auto immune diseases, ..."?

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On 8/7/2019 at 2:15 PM, Oxx said:

 

Yes, I want science.  Not the unsubstantiated and irrational ramblings of the scientifically illiterate.  Perhaps you could point me towards the peer reviewed papers published in quality scientific journals that support "autism anyone ? auto immune diseases, ..."?

you clearly are the illiterate in this conversation

 

look up  dr. Seneff ...

 

but I am used to in TIT that people that know nothing or little shouts at others with insults and belittling and pretend themselves they are experts about everything

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+seneff+glyphosate

 

you love to talk out of your ass, read the literature and come back

 

but you probably cannot be bothered with the truth as you are blinded by your arrogance and ignorance

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, justin case said:

look up  dr. Seneff ...

 

I did.  Dr. Seneff has no qualifications or expertise in the field of biology.  She does research in computing.  She has achieved notoriety by publishing in low-impact, open access journals.  She is simply promoting a personal agenda not backed by scientific evidence.  Worthless.

 

Wikipedia has more on the worthlessness of her writings:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Seneff

 

 

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